winstrolvtec

Looks like the 6MT is the only major addition and a new FWD 18 in factory wheel package. Good idea, helps to make it more appealing and cheaper to do so. No evidence of a grill change at all, all photos, videos and virtual showroom, the same. Pricing is the same, as far as I can tell and no premium for the 6MT and lets not allow the dealers to hit us for extra on the 6MT since all the other brands pay less for a manual transmission. Makes no sense to pay, even to charge, extra for the 6MT. Availability may be less but they won't be scarce since there is only 4 color options to build.

Bearcat94

^^

Not just 4 color options, but only 4 interior/exterior combinations.

CBP/Black
Palladium/Black
WDP/Taupe
Mayan Bronze/Umber


Is the "Sport Grille" accessory new or has that been available?

winstrolvtec

Ya that's exactly what I ment, and a dark grill option for the front and back. Has to be new. Something is better than nothing, nice find.

Haelous

I wonder if there will always be only four combos for the manual, or if that will be changed later in 2010.

I don't really think the "sport grille" looks like it'd be worth any extra cash, but very personal preference. I would imagine it's still difficult to keep clean. It appears it's a metallic gray color similar to the 18" wheels.

fsttyms1

It would be nice if they gave you more interior options. Having only one interior color available for each color bites. (when looking at the 10 types 6 speed tech package and hpt)

prepreludesh

I know to the rich crowd this may seem like herasy, but just because these vehicles come with a pre-determined interior color doesn't mean you couldn't find somebody to trade with in the future. Swapping out interior parts that have the distinct colors on it would be easy for the Mayan Bronze and about the only color that you'd have to do an entire color swap-out would be the WDP. Taking out seats and door panels (and maybe the U shaped center console piece?) is very easy if you've ever done it before.


Aren't we missing the point though? The 6 speed is here! I can't wait for some interior pictures of it, especially the underside of the engine bay (fat chance!)

PsychDoc

"Sports grill?"

Does anyone have a link or a picture to show what this is?

Haelous

When you build the 2010 TL on the web site and put your mouse over it under accessories it shows you a picture. When you select it, the picture of the car above updates.

It's just the stock grill in an anthracite.

nj2pa2nc

I was looking forward to getting the TL with 6MT but that color/interior choice is lousy. Guess I will be keeping my 06 Tsx.

dtc5

They took away my color!

Is RBP that unpopular of a color?

stevel

so no brembo brakes on the 6mt? and like the 3G type S, only with nav/tech package? that sucks. I have no desire to pay for the tech package and damn if I want to pay 3-4K for something I don't want just to get a 6mt. this is a bummer for me............ oh well I guess............................

PaulNY

I'll miss RBP as a color option, but since its a bitch to keep clean/scratch free I kinda wish i waited for '10 not to be tempted

the "sports grille" seems kinda pointless in the shots on the site, but i'll wait to see real photos on release

docboy

I am looking forward to test driving the 6spd. Is it as good as the reviews have it? Any updated news when it arrives at the dealers? Are we still hearing this coming September-ish?

Out of curiosity, how much do guys plan on paying for the 6spd TL? Realizing it would be driven by supply and demand... IF there is good demand, and IF there is a low supply as Acura maintains, probably not much off MSRP.

IF there is limited general public demand (which I imagine is quite the opposite to that of enthusiast forums such as here on AZ), I would think there would be negotiating room.

So hypothetical question, IF the stealership would offer ONLY FULL MSRP as the selling price for the car, would you take it? Given our weak economy, the deals the competition are running, I don't know if I could (at least not without test driving the car ).

Vtec_TL

Wow. I just went to the Acura website and built a 2010 TL SH-AWD 6-Speed with HPT and it came out to be $48,223. For that price, I'd rather get an 09 BMW 335i coupe turbo...Pricing is ridiculous imo for the TL 6-speed..

docboy

How did you get that amount? I came out with $44,195 including $810 destination charge. Aside from the tech package w/SH-AWD, no other options were added.

What country are you in?

Vtec_TL

I added the diamond cut wheels.

venom550pm

the sport grill is definately not worth it, according to those pics on the acura.com website. maybe in person might look better....

hdcolumbus

I doubt we'll see any of the standard 17" on FWD models with the introduction of the 18" as an option on car lots. I would like to see the sport grill and lip as it does darken up quite a bit. I though it looked pretty good WDP and PM colors.

Bearcat94

Isn't 6-speed price same as SH-AWD AT price? If so, then the price for the SH-AWD is "ridiculous", right?


I haven't done the build in some time, but I thought an equally/comparably equipped 335 was in the low/mid $50's. ??

dtc5

Not to mention the dealer will sell it at that price too! I tried haggle may way on a 335 before I got the 4G TL and was only able to take $500 off the MSRP....

winstrolvtec

Good question. Personally I would wait until I could get a decent price. As of now if you go to the dealer you might get $2k below invoice with incentive from Acura on an 09 AT and likely invoice for a 2010 AT once they have cleared 09 inventory but if you want to shift your own gears you have to pay more, WTF? They can try at first for those eager few but sooner or later it just doesn't make sense to everyone else. $1k above invoice is the most I would pay for the 6MT, any higher and they will have to make it up somehwere else and as you said the competitors are offering good deals and they don't charge a premium for 6MT, they charge less, it's the principle.

jzacuto

It's an interesting addition but a tad irritating. For `09 owners it sucks because it sort of dilutes the value both financially and aesthetically of those that bought SH-AWD models with the same 18s. I liked the idea that my car was differentiated from the FWD models. Now the only thing different is the SH-AWD emblem and the interior touches (that you can't see from the outside) that the FWD model doesn't get.

I mean, not a BIG deal, but it kinda feels like Acura screwed us a tad. And it was lazy... How about special rims or different 18s for the FWD as an option? Or, god forbid, how about some decent 17s for the FWD models? The standard ones are just flat out ugly and on humongous, over-inflated, cushy tires.

But for Acura, it's an excellent chance to snatch up an extra $1000 on each deal.

Haelous

While I love the style of the 18s, I imagine I will be getting different wheels in a year or two now since they're putting them on the FWD.

On Saturday I drove to/from Philly airport and saw 4 4th gens - 3 FWD Tech and 1 SH-AWD Tech. I've seen two others this week going to/from work, 1 SH-AWD Tech and a FWD Tech.

I like to have a touch of uniqueness, and while the TL isn't as common as a Civic, it's still pretty popular. I don't buy the "doom and gloom" for TL sales over the grill at all.

Haelous

I usually spot an oncoming fellow SH-AWD by their front bumper. The blinkers that fill in that entire area on the FWD are pretty easy to spot.

The turn signals and silver fog lights are pretty obvious to me, but I agree with you per the post I was writing while you posted yours. There's no doubt I'll end up picking up some 20s for the summer later on.

winstrolvtec

Guess I missed the real question, if it was MSRP only and that's it no if's, and's or but's about it, I think I would. It's still a great value from the start and tens of thousands less than any other equally equipped premium mid sized. No mid outside of the V8's or German high end sport model, is really any faster or sportier, particularly in AWD.

jjsC5

Go over to the Corvette C6 forum. I have a $80,000 Z06, and now you can get a "Grand Sport" that looks just like it for about $25,000 less. Do I like it? Not really, but like you I guess we just deal with progress.

I am glad Acura is offering the 18" wheel package. This was one of my concerns if I buy or lease a TL is the cost of an all new wheel/tire package. The 17's look like dog crap to me. This will save money and effort.

The sport beak will be interesting to see - especially on the black, grigio or polished metal. At least they seem to be making an effort to address customer (or potential customer) complaints.

007Acura

I'm surprised they didn't offer a grey like in the test car a year back

mlody

The availability of the accessory grill and the back trunk trim only shows that Acura is concerned about the offensive look. I can only hope that mid cycle refresh will bring a different grill.

mugen_kid

Im very disappointed in the color options! Good job Acura!

JeffS

Surprisingly, neither of the greys are offered on the stick shift TL.

jjsC5

Back to the accessory grill and rear insert. They list the price as $329 and $89 if I recall correctly. Does anyone know if that is an outright buy price, or is that an exchange price for the stock pieces?

KeithL

The darker grill will be good on the darker colors, since the original grill grabs too much attention in a not so nice way.

mlody

So basically you are trying to highball the TL's price while lowballing the 335 price - it does not work this way if you want to compare apple to apple.

BTW 335xi coupe does not even give you 19" wheel option - standard is lame 17 while 18's are an option unlike TL standard 18"/19" - depending on trim and the Diamond Cut 19" are an options.

Also, the comparable price for 335ix is about $55k, unless you want a striper without anything except a sport package, than yes, the MSRP is about $48k, but add a premium package, navi and few other options that are standard on TL and we are back to $55k+

ll_22

Not all is lost, I think the sports grille may look decent on the darker colors and I assume 09 TL owners can make this change. Wonder how much the dealers will charge for labor?

Now I do lament not having a 18" wheel option but not sure if I'd be willing to pay nearly $3K difference (09 incentive + upgrade) though. I'm kind of getting used to the 17" and the extra side wall is nice to have driving through the city.

ll_22

Just noticed that all models are about 20 lbs heavier than the 2009, any thoughts on the source of the weight gain? Nothing obvious from a feature standpoint.....

jzacuto

D'oh, schnap!!!

CleanCL

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THere are 2 greys, Grigio and Polished Metal.. is that not one of them?

JeffS

CleanCL, the car pictured is Grigio but that is not offered with the stick. Bearcat posted all 4 stick shift color combos in post #2 and both Polished Metal and Grigio are not included.

hdcolumbus

I agree. I just think that dealers will go with what would be more attractive to the buyer and the 17s are nasty. I expect to see more FWDs with 18s and the grille/lip upgrade. I am a little upset that they chose the lazy route; but, at least we still have quad exhaust.

jzacuto

Yeah, I spoke too soon. We get the quad exhaust, the emblem (of course), the front end differences (vents for the brakes, etc.)

So there are small visual cues that a trained eye would pick up on.