Badabng

I have seen a number of articles as to how the TL SH-AWD can go 0-60 in so many seconds and it can do a 1/4 mile this fast, but has anyone here timed there TL doing 0-60 and how fast is your TL really? Mine is an automatic and I have not timed it yet.

Waltah

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googled 0-60 2009 TL and came up with multiple clips of people timing themselves.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I haven't (don't own one) but at best expect about six seconds with the average run probably being more in the low-6 range.

Waltah

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with a curb weight of 3750+ lbs + 300hp + AWD i think some of the clips are a bit "optimistic" with the 5.5 0-60 times

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Yep! Especially with average runs for many V-8 midsize cars being in the mid-5s.

docboy

Not that we're all 18year olds smoking our tires at the red light (okay, I admit it, I'm a wannabe...)

But the 4G TL 6MT's 0-60 acceleration has been consistently and repeatedly clocked in the low to mid 5s by leading auto magazines. The gearing ratios for the 6MT are excellent, and I can personally attest, it can definitely throw you back pretty hard as you punch the throttle and the engine starts to rev and exceed 3-4k rpms towards 6800rpms. Gives me my daily rush of the day

graphicguy

I've got the auto TL SH AWD. Have had a passenger time me a couple of times 0-60. One was 5.6 secs, another was 5.8 secs. This is from stand still. Just "mash the gas" and hit GO!

black label

While I agree that it can be done, the magazines don't actually buy their cars like we do so they are rather abusive on them for these 0-60 and 1/4 mile tests and even if you don't care about the abuse it's not as easy as you'd think to perform a really top notch hard launch. I would say low 6's in the 0-60 are very achievable without abusing your vehicles driveline with an average launch.

You're right about the gearing though on the MT though, 0-60 mph and 0-100kph (62mph) runs are reached in 2nd gear.

docboy

I definitely agree those car gurus likely abuse the clutch to the max to obtain those times. I try to make my clutch last the life of the car

IMHO, the gearing ratios, along with the SH-AWD, make it very easy for a novice driver like me to drive this car hard with control on a daily basis.

jasonwdp10

The 6MT has been clocked as low as 5.2 seconds.
The 5AT has been clocked as low as 5.44 seconds, unofficially by people on the forums.

None of the car mags have gotten below 6 seconds. Jeff from TOV has gotten 5.9 after repeated acceleration tests though.

5.9 TOV
6.0 car and driver
6.2 motor trend
6.3 road and track
6.7 edmunds insideline

Though.. when i owned the auto SHAWD, it didn't feel fast at all. There was no "thrust" feeling, just engine noise and the car gets moving. My Base feels faster than the SHAWD, but they're probably about the same speed with the SHAWD having a slight advantage from a stop i guess.

Eitherway, the SHAWD i had did not feel like it could do the same 5.44 (or less) that the G37 sedan i drove did.

I'd say expect low to mid 6 seconds for either model.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I believe I watched a review of the 2009 TL on YouTube where they said as well that the difference between the two models in performance feels pretty indifferent.

The Base only has roughly 15 less torque but weighs hundreds of pounds less (at least 200 I assume).

Waltah

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im not trying to be a dick but 5.2 0-60? not happening. sorry. these numbers must be coming from people with stopwatches and or iphone apps.

just throwing this in here....

the 09 pontiac G8 GT with 360hp/360lb ft V8 and 6speed auto weighing about the same as the TL managed 5.3 0-60 in stock form. remove a ton of torque and 60 ponies from the TL.....add the weight of turning an AWD system and that number is going to inflate. just saying.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

Car & Driver reported that time. Other magazines have reported similar times as well.

Fastest 0-60 on a G8 GT I've seen was five flat, also by Car & Driver. I'll explain how they can be so close: launch.

The G8 GT has two wheel drive and huge torque. The TL has AWD and manual, which is a boon for squirting off the line in a hurry. Of course the TL is no match for a G8 GT as speeds rise. According the C&D again, the TL 6MT did 0-130 in 26.5 seconds with the G8 GT doing it in 23.4 seconds. In situations like two lane backroads or a any condition where the two are rolling, the Pontiac will maul the Acura.

chinolatte

Agreed. The 6MT is extremely well matched for the 3.7L engine to get the most out of it, unlike the 5AT.

I haven't ran any track tests, and using a stopwatch in the passenger seat has a LOT of room for error and isn't even close to accurate... but my last car was a 2008 Nissan 350Z which is said to do 5.0-5.2 0-60 runs and my butt dyno tells me the TL 6MT feels pretty close to the same in launch and speed. The Z is quicker once speed gets faster, but in this range, they're pretty close.

Pete2010

Keep in mind that not only is the gearing on the 6MT is good enough to get those times, the 6MT is ~200lbs lighter than the 5AT. That helps also. But yea - multiple car mags have attained the sub 5.5 0-60 time on the 6MT. Granted they are probably abusing their test cars, but it does show the fastest it can get stock.

Pete2010

0-60 will be close. 1/4 mile times and mph will be the big difference between these two cars. There is a lot more to cars than 0-60 times, but for some reason everyone gets hung up on them....

black label

You ever have to get on to Rt 1 or 128 up on the North Shore and you'll understand the need for a good 0-60 time.

While 1/4 mile times have there place in all out performance testing 0-60 has a real world use for getting on a highway from a stop sign. Everyone could use a good 60-0 number as well but that's one that no one seems to talk about.

Pete2010

Yea - i'll give you that one. I mean I enjoy a quick 0-60 as much as the next guy, specifically so I can scream the engine in my TL in 2nd gear.

ll_22

Off topic but why did you trade a SHAWD for a base TL again??

jasonwdp10

no no, i didn't trade it. I initially bought the SHAWD, but some lady totaled it. I received the insurance money, and I used the chance to buy a base model due to it being quieter, cheaper, more frugal (17.5mpg in my base vs 14.5mpg in the shawd), and better (smoother) riding, and slightly roomier than the SHAWD.

I do miss the SHAWD system and all the shawd bits, but not the 14mpg, road noise, and firm suspension. I'll wait for acura or lexus's next best thing before I decide on my next car.

JM2010 SH-AWD

Dude - the 5.2 second times were those reported by R&T and C&D for the 6MT, not the auto. It is happening. Try one, you'll see.

graphicguy

jason...just curious on how you drove to get 14 MPG in a SH WAD version? I know I flog mine regularly, even all suburban driving, and I can't get below 16.9 MPG. And, that 16.9 was in a week's worth of heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic with me doing a lot of heavy throttle to scoot between back ups.

BEAR-AvHistory

Has anyone actually run one at a drag strip? Typically there are 3 "real" times.

Car mag full abuse at the track.

Owner mild abuse at the track.

Owner highly variable traffic light GP runs due to road surface & reaction time variations.

Assuming a good reaction time in a traffic light GP the AWD 6MT should be easier for a non track experienced guy to drive on the street then a RWD 6MT. Might be worth 2 or 3/10ths.

As far as stop watches & phone apps they are pretty much useless.

With a stop watch you are dealing with the reaction time of the guy pushing the button. The phone apps need to be dialed in at the track against the timing clocks. Some mags that have tested them say it can take 20-30 runs to do it & they are still slightly off.

Quick reaction time test.

Get a bill in new condition with the presidents picture in the middle. Have someone hold it by the end edge with the bill hanging toward the floor. Hold you fingers at the very bottom edge & have the guy drop the bill without warning. If you can close your fingers on the presidents picture you have a pretty good reaction time.

Don't try to guess on the drop - just react to its movement or you are just kidding yourself.

jasonwdp10

Not really sure, but in LA, we don't have too many long stretches of road that aren't congested at the times i'm driving. My daily driving consists of about 20-30 miles of pure city/suburb driving, mostly between the hours of 7-8am and 5-8pm, so it's all during traffic/rush hour. That means lots of slow drivers, lots of stop signs, long waits @ stop lights. People here also suck at driving and try their best to not see you or not move over a bit to let you pass or squeeze through. I think lots of the time is spent behind slow cars and cars that are just in the way. I do work out on the field, so on those days, i just leave the cruise at either 65-75mph the whole way, mpg goes way up.

I also occasionally have a lead foot.

I guess my point was, all things equal, i did 3 mpg better in the base.

I just hope honda/acura hears this. I'd get another SHAWD if it was more efficient (6spd auto, 0-60 in 5 seconds plz), had more features (panoramic sunroof? ventilated seats? dark gray wood trim option?), quieter/softer ride (adjustable suspension? more sound deadening?)

Something like the ZDX's Advance pkg feature set, but in a TSX or TL sized chassis.

Sry for going a bit off topic.

Umalum1990

I doubt anyone is doing better than the leading auto magazines. Low to mid 6's with an auto SH-AWD sounds about right. Whoever is getting 5.5 you need to start your timer when yo hit the gas pedal, not once you start moving!

graphicguy

Jason...thanks for the explanation. I've driven in and around LA. I understand what you're saying. I'm in OH. Probably what I consider a traffic jam, you'd consider free flowing.

Anyway, I'm pleased with 0-60 times (again around mid 5s). Coming from a dead stop and punching it is something I've done.....at most.....rarely. Where I really like the drivetrain is what it does once the car is rolling. Acceleration is instantaneous and very strong. That's what I use the most.

YetiTL

PErsonaly, I prefer 5-60 or 0-60 with a 1 feet rollout, I feel it applies much more to the real world. I have never seen anyone drop or burn their clutch at a stop light. I don't mean no one does it, but still...

YeuEmMaiMai

be carefull with those claims as they do some number crunching on them to arrive at those values....... 305hp + 2 tons of car = extremely hard for your average joe to get sub 6 sec with an auto SHAWD.... just not gonna happen. The guys that are doing are going to find out in a hurry that their auto trans is not going to stand up to repeated brake torquing used to launch the car hard...

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

He said manual TLs.

YeuEmMaiMai

Sorry missed that one
but overall the point is the same for the manuals. they hard launch the cars and then do whole bunch of calculations to arrive at their 0-60 times.......keep launching the manual hard and guess what? you are going to be replacing a lot of expensive parts. So what if the car w/manual can get into the 5's (it can btw) but I would not want to be replacing the clutch on that thing.........or other things like axles and mounts.

Insert mag name here lol

"we got the TL to do 0-60 in 5 seconds but the clutch fried in the process and btw we did runout calculations and corrected for air temp and humidity, etc......."

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I doubt anyone disagress with you.

Pete2010

No different than any other test of any other car. It's not like they test differently with other brands. The idea is to show that ABSOLUTE fastest the car can go, with total disregard for the car itself.

But that being said, the 6MT is a fast car. You would think that it shouldn't be from it's size and weight. But more is different than just a 6MT (compared to the AT) - its lighter with other stronger internals than the AT version. It shows what can be done with proper gearing and the reduction of some weight. There is a thread around here with the differences.

JM2010 SH-AWD

One of the mags (R&T, I think) detailed how they launched each of the cars tested, including the TL. With the TL, they dumped the clutch at 4K RPMs. The point is that they try to get the fastest time with each of their cars, experimenting with different methods/techniques; with almost every car, I'd guess we would consider their methods abusive. Would I ever do that with my car? No way, and I'd guess most people on this board wouldn't either. But at least they give us a basis for comparing acceleration times, apples to apples, based on optimal launch techniques for each car.

winstrolvtec

I agree but that is really the case for all test cars, not exclusive to the TL.

And as far as the TL's 0-60 capabilities, it really does come from the power and traction over launching ability, for the most part anyway.

The 5AT ran an unofficial 0-60 in 5.9 (R&T) yet the auto does not allow for a proper brake torque and the 6MT ran an unofficial 0-60 in 5.2 (R&T) with a 4k launch limit which they referred to as " clutch friendly". I won't be doing that but on the rare occasion I don't have much reservations about 3k rpms, launched not dumped.

There is always that factor of cars testing extra fast compared to real world scenarios because the publication is not afraid to destroy it in the process but in the case of the TL I believe that is much less of a factor than in most other test cars. If the TL had been able to launch higher or brake torque they would have happily done it and it likely would have ran even better.