Winter Tires ... to save or not to save $$.
11-02-2009, 01:28 PM
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Winter Tires ... to save or not to save $$.
ok, 2 scenarios..
1. invest in General Artic winter tires 205/60/16s to be mounted on
16" steelies for a total cost of $984cdn. taxes and stuff included.
2. buy a pair of used 04-06 17" rims and run the TL with just 17" winters on
the front and leave the back. $250cdn.
Thing is, i got an 08 so for one thing, i'll have a different rim in front lol. BUT it's winter..who cares.
And of course the other thing is...many people say over and over again.. get 4 winters not just 2 for the FWD fronts.
sheesh.. allll about the caysh monies!
anyone have any experience with just running winters on front?
1. invest in General Artic winter tires 205/60/16s to be mounted on
16" steelies for a total cost of $984cdn. taxes and stuff included.
2. buy a pair of used 04-06 17" rims and run the TL with just 17" winters on
the front and leave the back. $250cdn.
Thing is, i got an 08 so for one thing, i'll have a different rim in front lol. BUT it's winter..who cares.
And of course the other thing is...many people say over and over again.. get 4 winters not just 2 for the FWD fronts.
sheesh.. allll about the caysh monies!
anyone have any experience with just running winters on front?
11-02-2009, 01:47 PM
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nvm.. was following this discussion thread.. saving a few bux isn't worth the risk...i'm gonna go with all 4.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/c...-fwd-343090/2/
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/c...-fwd-343090/2/
11-02-2009, 03:00 PM
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i was just going to say, do NOT do that!!!! the rears are actually the most important for not spinning out. i have 18" aspecs with high performance all-seasons in the summer/ spring/fall and i got an OEM look a likes with snow/ice rubber in 17" for the winter.
11-02-2009, 05:01 PM
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Yeah they say to install all 4 instead of 2 when it comes to winter tires.
I went through tirerack got 4 blizzaks 205/60/16s on 16.5 steels for $650 delivered, even went around to local places and it was 150$ less ordering them online then going locally.
I had a hell of a time last year on all seasons on stock rims and figured these new winter tire/rims would last at least 10 years the way i drive haha.
I went through tirerack got 4 blizzaks 205/60/16s on 16.5 steels for $650 delivered, even went around to local places and it was 150$ less ordering them online then going locally.
I had a hell of a time last year on all seasons on stock rims and figured these new winter tire/rims would last at least 10 years the way i drive haha.
11-02-2009, 06:34 PM
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Have you thought about 16 Inch Dunlop Graspic DS-3 Tires at about $140 each ,, I have had these on my TL for 3 winters and they are great ...
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11-02-2009, 11:39 PM
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The Graspic DS-3s are brand new for this winter season.
11-03-2009, 08:18 AM
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11-03-2009, 08:33 AM
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They are just a rework of the previous ones .. its called marketing .. the previous ones (2) which I have are great ... From the picture of them I can't even see a difference unless its in the compound .. regardless they were an affordable good option.
11-03-2009, 08:38 AM
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One would wish, but unfortunately, you'd probably need to get a new set of tires after a couple of seasons -- likely 3-4 years later. However, you'd never go back to using all season tires ever again.
11-03-2009, 10:43 AM
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i was thinking this same thing, but forgot to say it. i know acura wheels are usually different than aftermarkets, so the lugs are not correct. when i got mine off of discount tire they sent me new one, and i also got a new wheel lock set to go along. be careful because this could end bad if you are using the wrong ones...
11-07-2009, 05:12 PM
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That is extremely inaccurate. The DS-3 is an entirely different tire from the DS-2, with a far more advanced 3D siping technology that wasn't in the DS-2. Testers at tirerack.com have commented that the DS-3 is "A good improvement over the DS-2," albeit one tirerack tester's subjective opinion was that it wasn't as good as the Extreme Winter, WS60 or Xi2 on the ice.
You need to look at a higher-res image, such as the one posted below. The difference is apparent:
LEFT: The new Graspic DS-3. RIGHT: The previous Graspic DS-2
The DS-3 tread design is completely different and features tread blocks in the center of the tread rather than a central, zig-zag groove. This design gives better steering response. The DS-3 has four main circumferential grooves and two auxilliary ones (six total). These grooves provide a high-speed path for water evacuation during straight-line travel. The DS-2 had only two such grooves, and both of them were too close to the center of the tire to be of great use. Hence, the Graspic DS-2 received a below-average score for wet-braking (see below); it is reasonable to surmise the DS-3 would fare better in wet-conditions based on its tread design.
As you can also see from the tread design, the DS-3 is more open between the treadblocks, allowing the tire to throw snow out of the tread more efficiently than the DS-2. Therefore, it is expected that the DS-3 would be superior in packed snow. In fact, the DS-2's only design advantage based upon its higher tread-to-void ratio would be ice traction, where it did score very well in CR's tests. BUT, remember, the DS-3 is brand-new for 2009, whereas the DS-2 has been around since 2004. Clearly the compounding technologies have improved. This, it is also reasonable to expect the DS-3s to have comparable ice traction, even though both tires used a glass-fiber compound.
All that being said, I concur that the DS-3s are an affordable good option, as were the DS-2s in their time. I have a set of four which I will be mounting at the end of the month, and as always, I'll provide a detailed review.
LEFT: The new Graspic DS-3. RIGHT: The previous Graspic DS-2
The DS-3 tread design is completely different and features tread blocks in the center of the tread rather than a central, zig-zag groove. This design gives better steering response. The DS-3 has four main circumferential grooves and two auxilliary ones (six total). These grooves provide a high-speed path for water evacuation during straight-line travel. The DS-2 had only two such grooves, and both of them were too close to the center of the tire to be of great use. Hence, the Graspic DS-2 received a below-average score for wet-braking (see below); it is reasonable to surmise the DS-3 would fare better in wet-conditions based on its tread design.
As you can also see from the tread design, the DS-3 is more open between the treadblocks, allowing the tire to throw snow out of the tread more efficiently than the DS-2. Therefore, it is expected that the DS-3 would be superior in packed snow. In fact, the DS-2's only design advantage based upon its higher tread-to-void ratio would be ice traction, where it did score very well in CR's tests. BUT, remember, the DS-3 is brand-new for 2009, whereas the DS-2 has been around since 2004. Clearly the compounding technologies have improved. This, it is also reasonable to expect the DS-3s to have comparable ice traction, even though both tires used a glass-fiber compound.
All that being said, I concur that the DS-3s are an affordable good option, as were the DS-2s in their time. I have a set of four which I will be mounting at the end of the month, and as always, I'll provide a detailed review.
11-07-2009, 05:37 PM
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That is extremely inaccurate. The DS-3 is an entirely different tire from the DS-2, with a far more advanced 3D siping technology that wasn't in the DS-2. Testers at tirerack.com have commented that the DS-3 is "A good improvement over the DS-2," albeit one tirerack tester's subjective opinion was that it wasn't as good as the Extreme Winter, WS60 or Xi2 on the ice.
You need to look at a higher-res image, such as the one posted below. The difference is apparent:
LEFT: The new Graspic DS-3. RIGHT: The previous Graspic DS-2
The DS-3 tread design is completely different and features tread blocks in the center of the tread rather than a central, zig-zag groove. This design gives better steering response. The DS-3 has four main circumferential grooves and two auxilliary ones (six total). These grooves provide a high-speed path for water evacuation during straight-line travel. The DS-2 had only two such grooves, and both of them were too close to the center of the tire to be of great use. Hence, the Graspic DS-2 received a below-average score for wet-braking (see below); it is reasonable to surmise the DS-3 would fare better in wet-conditions based on its tread design.
As you can also see from the tread design, the DS-3 is more open between the treadblocks, allowing the tire to throw snow out of the tread more efficiently than the DS-2. Therefore, it is expected that the DS-3 would be superior in packed snow. In fact, the DS-2's only design advantage based upon its higher tread-to-void ratio would be ice traction, where it did score very well in CR's tests. BUT, remember, the DS-3 is brand-new for 2009, whereas the DS-2 has been around since 2004. Clearly the compounding technologies have improved. This, it is also reasonable to expect the DS-3s to have comparable ice traction, even though both tires used a glass-fiber compound.
All that being said, I concur that the DS-3s are an affordable good option, as were the DS-2s in their time. I have a set of four which I will be mounting at the end of the month, and as always, I'll provide a detailed review.
You need to look at a higher-res image, such as the one posted below. The difference is apparent:
LEFT: The new Graspic DS-3. RIGHT: The previous Graspic DS-2
The DS-3 tread design is completely different and features tread blocks in the center of the tread rather than a central, zig-zag groove. This design gives better steering response. The DS-3 has four main circumferential grooves and two auxilliary ones (six total). These grooves provide a high-speed path for water evacuation during straight-line travel. The DS-2 had only two such grooves, and both of them were too close to the center of the tire to be of great use. Hence, the Graspic DS-2 received a below-average score for wet-braking (see below); it is reasonable to surmise the DS-3 would fare better in wet-conditions based on its tread design.
As you can also see from the tread design, the DS-3 is more open between the treadblocks, allowing the tire to throw snow out of the tread more efficiently than the DS-2. Therefore, it is expected that the DS-3 would be superior in packed snow. In fact, the DS-2's only design advantage based upon its higher tread-to-void ratio would be ice traction, where it did score very well in CR's tests. BUT, remember, the DS-3 is brand-new for 2009, whereas the DS-2 has been around since 2004. Clearly the compounding technologies have improved. This, it is also reasonable to expect the DS-3s to have comparable ice traction, even though both tires used a glass-fiber compound.
All that being said, I concur that the DS-3s are an affordable good option, as were the DS-2s in their time. I have a set of four which I will be mounting at the end of the month, and as always, I'll provide a detailed review.
And I am basing this on experince with the tires not based on expectations .. Also keep in mind I cam talking snow .. not wet .. if you want wet performance go all season ..
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11-07-2009, 08:25 PM
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I'd feel better if I could actually find a real review on the Graspic DS-3. Tirerack.com was supposed to include it in their latest winter tire review, but somehow it got dropped from the results:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=122
I'll call them on Monday to find out why the Graspic DS-3 wasn't included, when it was planned to be tested right along side the rest.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=122
I'll call them on Monday to find out why the Graspic DS-3 wasn't included, when it was planned to be tested right along side the rest.
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