Type-S MT Suspention VS. A-Spec Suspension
Hello all:
I've searched a couple of times with a couple of different key words but there hasn't been much discussion (that I could find) on a comparison of the Type-S suspension vs. A-Spec. If it has, I'm really sorry! Moving on: Is there even any difference? I though I read somewhere that there is an A-Spec suspension different from the stock Type-S, and that the ride is a little firmer but helps with roll dramatically. Is this correct? |
the aspec suspension drops the car about an inch.
i believe that 04-06 6MT and the 07-08 TYPE-S have the same shock, or should I say the same amount of firmness. I know for a fact that my 06 6mt is stiffer than an automatic. |
what exactly is a-spec...is it a aftermarket thing or can you buy a aspec tl from acura?
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aspec = ACURA SPECIFICATION
Acura made it. there were aspec TL's sold new. |
just today i saw an aspec TL in the parking lot in my school. its the 04-06 TL with full a-spec lip kit, a-spec rims, and wing spoiler, and has the rare a-spec badge on the trunk. 6mt too
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 13055018)
i believe that 04-06 6MT and the 07-08 TYPE-S have the same shock, or should I say the same amount of firmness. |
^if you looked inside, the steering wheel would be an apec'd wheel
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i will check for the a-spec wheel if its still in the parking lot later. what does the a-spec steering wheel look like?
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Originally Posted by paperboy42190
(Post 13055493)
im gonna have to look up the part numbers to double check that
but my 6mt def feels stiff, almost comparable to a type-s |
the steering wheel is thicker, and has blue stitching and two tone thumb inserts
http://zwww.acurazine.com/forums/pic...ictureid=34523 |
Originally Posted by ChairmanKaga809
(Post 13055012)
Hello all:
I've searched a couple of times with a couple of different key words but there hasn't been much discussion (that I could find) on a comparison of the Type-S suspension vs. A-Spec. If it has, I'm really sorry! Moving on: Is there even any difference? I though I read somewhere that there is an A-Spec suspension different from the stock Type-S, and that the ride is a little firmer but helps with roll dramatically. Is this correct? The A-spec suspension is firmer than the TL-S one and the firmness is about the same for the 04-06 one and the TL-S Aspec ones. The difference is that the 04-06 6MT have different front shock/springs because of less weight (MT is around 150 pounds lighter) from the AT A-Spec Kit. Most people go with the MT kit anyway for a lower drop. |
Originally Posted by csmeance
(Post 13055627)
The A-spec suspension is firmer than the TL-S one and the firmness is about the same for the 04-06 one and the TL-S Aspec ones.
The difference is that the 04-06 6MT have different front shock/springs because of less weight (MT is around 150 pounds lighter) from the AT A-Spec Kit. Most people go with the MT kit anyway for a lower drop. |
i know the 5at, 6mt, and T-S, all have differant size sway bar also.
I wounder if they also upgrade the sway bars for a-spec on the 6mt..? |
Originally Posted by ChairmanKaga809
(Post 13055797)
So then another question is raised - and I think I'm answering this in my head...but there's no separate TL-S ASpec and TL Aspec SUSPENSION correct?
both will improve handling and drop the car about an inch at most. though you can install them in any 3G TL, but your desired effect maybe off if the kit is not spec'd for your car (base 6MT, base AT, and type S). |
Originally Posted by CaliWowie
(Post 13055909)
i know the 5at, 6mt, and T-S, all have differant size sway bar also.
I wounder if they also upgrade the sway bars for a-spec on the 6mt..? |
Also- for AT cars there were ASPEC brake pads as well.
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Thank you everyone for their responses. Its clear to me now.
Mod you may close the thread if you wish! |
Looks like everything has already been answered.
If you want the best that each model TL offered, it would be TL-S swaybars with a-spec springs and shocks, TL-S top hats, and the '04-06 compliance bushings. |
Originally Posted by I hate cars
(Post 13056677)
Looks like everything has already been answered.
If you want the best that each model TL offered, it would be TL-S swaybars with a-spec springs and shocks, TL-S top hats, and the '04-06 compliance bushings. |
^you read it. do you comprehend it?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 13056857)
^you read it. do you comprehend it?
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What conclusion have you came to about the P RSB?
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apparently he has come up with none
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Georgieboy, did you buy the P RSB yet!??!?!?!?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 13056857)
^you read it. do you comprehend it?
I don't. At least not the part about '04 - '06 compliance bushings. What's the advantage/difference '04-'06 vs TL-S? And which part is this exactly? 51394-SEP-A11? Is there an equivelant for the rear? |
'04-'06 use a stiffer compliance bushing than all '07-'08 cars including the TL-S.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
(Post 13055484)
aspec = ACURA SPECIFICATION
Acura made it. there were aspec TL's sold new. |
Progress RSB on soft feels perfect on the TL-S.
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Originally Posted by AcuraElement
(Post 13088654)
Progress RSB on soft feels perfect on the TL-S.
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This might sound weird but is there someone that lives in the SF area with a aspec suspension that is willing to let me ride in their car so I can get a better feel, I have a Aspec set up in the garage to be installed. But if there isn't really a difference. I rather sell it.
Thx |
Originally Posted by al.c
(Post 13094677)
This might sound weird but is there someone that lives in the SF area with a aspec suspension that is willing to let me ride in their car so I can get a better feel, I have a Aspec set up in the garage to be installed. But if there isn't really a difference. I rather sell it.
Thx It's one of those things you don't notice until you hit the limits of cornering. While a stiffer aftermarket set will feel like it corners better, push it to the limit and the front end is going to plow in a straight line instead of turning. Push the a-spec to it's limit and both ends are going to be more balanced and the limit is going to be higher before either end gives way. Keep in mind, better tires will make more of a difference in handling than any suspension mods. I would put a bone stock TL on R compounds up against a modded TL with any suspension mods you choose on average tires any day. |
Originally Posted by al.c
(Post 13094677)
This might sound weird but is there someone that lives in the SF area with a aspec suspension that is willing to let me ride in their car so I can get a better feel, I have a Aspec set up in the garage to be installed. But if there isn't really a difference. I rather sell it.
Thx i added aspec...wow. then added a rsb a few months later...holy crap! WOW! you really can't fault the aspec suspension. acura spent time and money to get this suspension tuned for the TL. its worth it. just keep in mind if you're looking for more drop over performance...go aftermarket for your more drop needs. aspec will give you your performance needs with a subtle drop. |
whats the cost of the aspec package?
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Originally Posted by Fatfrii
(Post 13090676)
you wont "feel" the sway bar until ur car is uneven. for example going over a speed bump with one side of ur car like some idiots do thinking it "better for your car." you want to adjust it to balance firmness. if you have a solid sway bar (type s or H&R i think) then you would want to put it on the firmer setting. but only do so if you have a firm shocks and springs too or else the swaybar can rip out of its bolts (i prolly just terrified 8 noobs) shit here comes more questions
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
(Post 13075871)
I don't. At least not the part about '04 - '06 compliance bushings.
What's the advantage/difference '04-'06 vs TL-S? And which part is this exactly? 51394-SEP-A11? Is there an equivelant for the rear? 2007-2008 bushing 51394-SEP-A11 $13.86 softer for ride-comfort Take a look at this thread for more details: 04' to 08' front lower control arm bushing failure - please read and look
Originally Posted by JIPSETER 04TL
(Post 13095990)
whats the cost of the aspec package?
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Originally Posted by jhumbo
(Post 13099379)
I'm wondering this as well. Also, I can't seem to figure out what suspensions parts would be swapped out to go from stock suspension to aspec suspension. sometimes you can find them on BM...there are differences in the kit depending on the year and transmission of your car as well as type s. there are a number threads here that discuss the finer details of the aspec suspension. |
Originally Posted by I hate cars
(Post 13094695)
Keep in mind, better tires will make more of a difference in handling than any suspension mods. I would put a bone stock TL on R compounds up against a modded TL with any suspension mods you choose on average tires any day.
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
(Post 13094695)
Keep in mind, better tires will make more of a difference in handling than any suspension mods. I would put a bone stock TL on R compounds up against a modded TL with any suspension mods you choose on average tires any day.
You don't need to go all the way to R-comps; today's current crop of 140-treadwear ST-class autocross street tires (e.g., Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec, Hankook Ventus R-S3, Toyo R1R, Bridgestone RE-11, Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08) will provide 85% of the grip of R-comps and be perfectly suitable for summer-season daily driving as well. A question: from a subjective, ride-comfort perspective, is this A-Spec suspension kit (part #08W60-SEP-202A): http://www.ebay.com/itm/350499016367 - firmer than the OEM suspension on the '07 Type S (5-speed automatic)? I'd be surprised if it wasn't, seeing as how the A-Spec suspension gives up 1/2"? 3/4"? of travel to the Type S. But then maybe Makoto Tamamura's A-Spec suspension has that elusive combination of spring rate and damping that improves handling AND retains optimal ride quality. I'm also wondering what the "202" part of the part # for the A-Spec suspension kit being sold on eBay signifies, as that doesn't match what's posted here: http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showp...63&postcount=6
Originally Posted by flydog
(Post 13094695)
Also, there are 4 A-Spec suspensions. Each has different spring rates to account for different vehicle weights.
For Type S the part #s are 08W60-SEP-200A (Auto) and 08W60-SEP-200A (Manual) For the base the part #s are 08W60-SEP-201A (Auto) and 08W60-SEP-201B (Manual) |
Aspec is the firmest of the OEM suspensions. then type-s, base 6MT, base 04-06, base 07-08 (being the softest).
the 202 part of the parnt # is the latest part number for essentially the same part. it supercedes 201 and 200. this is what the dealer told me. |
I think they went to a common Aspec suspension kit for both Type-S and non-S. I'm unsure on this, but I believe that's what the 202 part numbers are for.
I got the 08W60-SEP-202A recently for my 04 AT. Even though I have an AT, I was looking for the MT suspension because I had heard the AT A-Spec still has the front of the car sitting a bit higher than the rear.) The description on the receipt (this was ordered through eBay, but came from an Acura dealer), was "MT KIT SPTS SUSPNION" Handles well, sits pretty even , lowered the car by roughly 0.5". (I have not checked to see if it settled any further.) |
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