INTEG-

Wsup Azine.

Running into a few problems with my 05 TL. Yes its lowered on TEIN springs 1.25inch all the way around. Do I have camber kits installed, NO. I only ordered the rear INGAL camber kit like a day ago. BUT i was wondering what kind of camber kits you guys have in the fronts? Please fill your info.

My tires wear out like crazy. i have so much meat on the tires but on the inside its like almost gone. these are my 3rd set of yokohamas envigors. If your wondering why i chose these tires, i like them, not to noisy and it has 40,000 mile warranty. My car is lowered but i have my TOE set to zero. I've done my alignments, yes i work at Wheel Works. It still wears out the inside. I check it every week and my alignment stays koo but it just eats up the tires. my rear camber is off by (-2.2 on both sides). my fronts are (-1.4 on both sides).

Even when my 05 TL was at stock height, i was still eating up the inside of my tires like crazy. Its weird, the TL's have this natural camber. Are you guys have the same problem? toe set to zero, still eating up tires?

my real question now is, who has eccentric bolts on their stock Mac Phearson's struts? if you do, please fill me on the info because all i really need is at least 1.5 degree camber to play with.

please fill me in.

t0fudelivery

Ive had problems with camber wear too. First thing I did was rotate front to back since im not staggered, and then once I was bald on the insides, I just had the tires remounted left to right. Its the only way I can get max life on my tires.

In regards to front camber kits, Ive heard good things about Skunk2..in fact I think theyre the only ones who make a front camber kit for our car...womp womp

Turbonut

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First let me say again, anyone that lowers their ride and the camber is out of spec, get a camber kit to bring the camber into factory tolerance and avoid the tire wear, but it looks as if it took you 12 tires before deciding to go that route. If it were me doing the work, I'd install camber kits, front and rear when doing the suspension install. For the additional $300/$400 it's worth the investment so why cut corners? Look at one of our vendors e.g. HeelToe Automotive for their products as they have various products for the front and rear.
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/acura-tl-...on-camber-kit/

The TL when set properly will not eat up tires. With the inside of the tread wearing it's the camber, as the specs indicate. If it were the toe, the inside would be feathered, not just worn down. If set properly and the tires are wearing, either you drive like a maniac or the equipment is out of spec, and that happens more times than one might believe.

Have 41,000 on the (245) S.4's, just rotated them last week, no uneven wear and still going strong and not close to the wear bars.

Good luck.

nj2pa2nc

my 06 tsx is not lowered-Have Yokohama Avid V4s tires on it now. They were recently measured at 4.5/32 on all 4 tires. I have them balanced each time they are rotated. 59,000+miles on them.

Jackass

I managed to get 45,000 miles on the OE EL42 Bridgestones on my '05 and they still had tread left when replaced. Not lowered. As others have stated, as long as the car is properly aligned, the cars should not be eating tires.

justnspace

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not to beat a dead horse or to pile on.....but i 'ed at turbonut when he said.....
'it took you 12 tires to realize this.'

rhafikjaan

If you are only lowered 1.5" the front camber doesn't change much, compared to the stock camber at stock height. Could be your toe..ok i just reread your post. lol I doubt you need a camber kit for the front tho.. I never used one. I was lowered at 3" and now 1.5"..Can i see the the specific tires you get? along with the part number..How much psi did you run? and whats the load rating on the tires..

winkyyy

I don't think you will need front camber kits unless your going to have some aggressive wheel fitment. Just install the rear and set the camber to a the correct spec and rotate your tires from time to time if you haven't done so yet, it will increase the life of your tires.

TheChamp531

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Didn't Marcus make a whole thread that you don't need camber kits unless you're lowered more than 1.5"/2"? I'm lowered almost 2" and the toe is almost zero while my camber is insanely bad, but I'm almost at 25k miles and the tires still have enough treads (5-6/32) for another 10k miles which is the norm for Hankook V12 (35k miles). And no I don't have a camber kit installed

I hate cars

I run a very soft tire at 1.5" lower and the rear definitely has camber issues. I rotate pretty often and have them dismounted and flipped around every time since they're directional. Toe is at 0. It's like the master tech at Acura explained, every Honda vehicle is going to experience inside edge toe wear if the tires are left in the same polition long enough. Lowering it just makes it happen quicker. It never bothered me enough to get a camber kit at my height but with these tires I'm going to order one for the rear.

When I used to track the car occasionally and drive more aggressively in general, the tires used to wear more evenly. With lots of straight line freeway driving, it seems like the wear is a lot more uneven. It's kind of embarassing because you can look at the car from the rear and if it drove over something like white dust you can see how the inside outside 1.5" of tire does not touch the ground.

Acuraluvr

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Remember I read that too. I will say this - I had oem suspension with my FK452 tires on 19 in wheels and I only got 35k from them - kinda expected. But the camber wear was terrible. I probably only needed an alignment. But now on H techs, alignment, we'll see what happens on my DWS tires.

swoosh

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get a camber kit, if your lowered....you ask me why ?

Before:
Falken Ze912 GONE @17K miles.....

After:
Shitty Fuzion Hri still has uniform thread @48K mlies.....

so yeah if you do the math, the kit pays off for itself within 50K miles

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

^This should be in bold underneath the "Do I need a camber kit" and then maybe we'd save some tires and have the car handling properly.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ exactly...i was a fool that i didnt get the kit right off the bat....i suggest everyone to do those mods simultaneously....

I hate cars

Or less with soft tires.

mindanaomoro

Op how about your compliance bushing and other bushings are they still in good shape?

INTEG-

Whats your guys ratings on the tires? because people who have tires that last more than 40,000 miles have H rated tires. Keep in mind that I have Yokohama Envigors. BUT my real question on here is that,

WHO HERE IS USING ECCENTRIC BOLTS for camber in the front? We have McPherson struts so its possible.

Will Y.

Your tire wear issues are suspension-related, not tire-related.

The OEM MXM4s had 48K+ miles with tread left when I changed over to the Yokohama Advan S.4, which now have about 40K on them; both are W-rated tires on a stock TL.

INTEG-

^^^ well what im trying to figure out is why is that when i set my TOE to zero, i still eat my insides. even if it was at stock height or lowered. my only guessing is that it could be the type of tire. My other TL type s is on falken 912s with a harder rubber, and hes slammed on coilovers. No issues on toe.

I hate cars

The TL does not have a McPherson strut setup. It uses unequal length arms, much better than a McPherson setup. Unfortunately the camber is not adjustable in stock form. Only toe is adjustable. You lower it, you get more negative camber. The suspension is doing what it's supposed to do. As the car leans in a hard corner, it goes into negative camber so that the tire remains flat on the road.

Speed rating of the tire does not matter. Treadwear can be used to compare within the same brand of tire but not outside of the same brand so much.

A soft tire (mine have a treadwear rating of 200) will show alignment problems sooner than a hard tire but all will show problems eventually, it's just a matter of time.

If you're lowered and getting inside edge tire wear, a camber kit is the only solution.

I hate cars

Toe is not the problem, camber is. If the tire is running on the inside edge, excessive toe can speed up the inside edge wear but it's going to wear the inside out first even if the toe is perfect.

INTEG-

so camber is big play. now everything makes sense. thank you. BUT no one has answer my other question. ECCENTRIC BOLTS? well anyway going to pick up some eccentric bolts for the front. ill see how these go. but i got the rear camber kits in from ingalls.

sorry for the crappy phone pics.

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

When you find the eccentric bolts for the TL, let us know. They are for the spindle and placed in the top hole were the strut attaches, but the TL doesn't use this design, so no go.

INTEG-

im so trippin right, i totally failed right now. i got confused. i did a previous install on a honda ep3 and for some reason i thought the tl and had the similiar mcphearson strut. I failed big time. but yea came.

but i did do my alignment on the TL tho. no front camber kits. i dont think ill be putting them on in the front. before the rear camber kit, the camber was -2.7 on both sides. but now its all centered. still thinkin about the fronts, but I will see.