I have a 04TL and currently riding on TEIN S Techs and stock shocks. I need to upgrade my shocks and not sure which route to go. I'm debating on either TEIN Basics or pairing my TEIN S Techs w/ Koni Yellows.

Let me know what you guys think. I need to do this soon.

 

Get the TEIN Basics: ride height adjustment and the ride is firmer than stock but not stiff. I had the KONI Yellows and Eiabch Pro Kit on my Accord and upgraded the TEIN SS. KONI's are great but I wanted more adjustment than they offered.

 

Bump. Anyone have any info. I need to do this soon.

 

My post doesn't count?

 

Pictures?

 

Tein builds junk. I has the SS-Ps on my 06 Accord and they ruined the car.

They aren't real performance shocks. They are merely a means by which to lower the car. They will ad SOME firmness (mainly to the rears) on cars that have soft-ass suspensions (like my '06 Accord did).

Buy Koni Yellows (REAL peformance shocks) and Eibachs.

 

^LoL.
"Tein builds junk" "Ruined my car"..........

 

i have Tein-Stechs paired with Koni Yellows. So Far i have no complaints. They are good. But too stiff for NewYork. (potholes Zone) thats why i have all of em on Softer Settings but they still have amazing grip.
im thinking to buy Eibach Shocks replacing the Tein-Stechs though!

 

TEIN BASIC. I prefer SS, but basic is cheaper.

 

im looking to do the tein basics as well looking to do a group buy with tthem just started a buisness looking to get them for the community at a real good price email me at runnin2gsxrs@gmail.com if you are interested

 

Teins suck. They aren't REAL high performance products. I put the SS models on my '06 Accord. The fronts were too soft even when they were fully cranked to max. The rears were too stiff. They creaked when going over bumps. They aren't even CLOSE to a Koni Yellow with Eibachs.

Teins will RUIN your TL - particularly if it's a Type-S.

Why not just buy the A-Spec stuff? New A-Spec suspension packages are being sold on E-bay for $620 + $50 shipping.

 

LOL... Why would it ruin a Type-S more than a non Type-S??? LOL

 

Yes, they would.

The Type S cars have stiffer springs and shocks.


A regular TL with the automatic trans will see SOME gain in overall handling with Tein SSs because they Teins are somewhat firmer (when cranked to max).

That won't be the case with the Type S car. I would expect handling to WORSEN with Teins.

 

Ummmm... You said "ruin" a TL, not "worsen" handling!

 

Ruin is the appropriate term for those who make the mistake of ordering the pillow-block upper mounts. (It's an easy mistake to make, since the FLEX model (1 step above the SS and not available in the TL) comes STANDARD with those mounts, even though Tein advertises them as STREET models.

The pillowblocks introduce suspension noises directly into the cabin because they have no provisions for rubber isolators (which are standard in ever OEM suspension I've ever seen, including the Z06 Corvette).

IMO, that RUINS a luxury car.

 

Dude... There's not one TL here that's ever installed the pillowball mounts. I'm not even sure they ever finished an application for the TL. Even so, it's pretty common knowledge the pillowball is a track use only kinda mod, and will certainly "ruin your car". Wonder why noone has them?

Why do you keep saying the TL-S suspension is stiffer? How do you know this? You don't, and it's not. I test drove a TL-S, it was much firmer than my stock 2006 TL, but certainly wasn't more firm that my SS setup.

You continually compare apples to oranges in that comparing your Accord with Tein SS-Ps to a stock TL-S. Totally different platforms an applications.

Here come's "not a real performance suspension" response...

 

But the standard Type S suspension comes with the car and therefore doesn't involve tearing the (new) car apart and throwing money into junk parts.

I highly question your subjective opinion regarding the OEM Type S suspension vs. the Teins. There's a lot more to it than just "firmness." Acura engineers spent a LOT more time and resources on tuning that specific uspension than Tein did.

You bought junk and you're obviously never going to admit to it. Your number 1 concern is "dropping" the car - not performance.

BTW: The Accord and TL use the same rear Tein SSs - right down to the spring rate.

 

And so what makes them not "REAL high performance products"? On what basis do you find TEIN's to be of such poor quality?

Not to discredit your opinion but I have a 99 Accord that I had Eibach Pro Kits with KONI Yellows and I felt the TEIN SS were a much better setup. More adjustability, in both ride height and damping, and the same ride quality. No creeking on my car. Maybe you installed yours improperly. I have probably installed about 50 TEIN suspensions with no issues that you speak of and I have probalby sold hundreds of their coilovers with no one disliking them yet. I also sell other suspensions and TEIN is bar far one of the best when it comes to quality and ride. I have great experiences with TEIN time and time again, on my own cars and my customers'.

 

The "Sportline" is Eibach's performance-oriented spring, so I'm not surprised that your (soft) "Pros" felt similar to the Tein SS.

Go to Teins site.

The Basics and SSs are their low end models and are fitted with their softest (by far) springs. Tein builds many models that are more PERFORMANCE oriented, but they don't offer those for the TL.

Here they are, just in case you don't feel like looking for yourself:

Tein Flex:

http://www.tein.com/flexdamp.html

Tein Monflex:

http://www.tein.com/mfpdamp.html

Tein Comfortsport (designed to be "quiet" - per Tein):

http://www.tein.com/cstdamp.html

Tein Type HT (similar to Koni "Yellows" ("Sports") and a TRUE performance coil-over:

http://www.tein.com/htdamp.html

Tein Type N1 - a true racing damper:

http://www.tein.com/n1damp.html

 

While I have long been accused of being MrHeelToe is disguise- (its not true) when it comes to brake choices.....

One must wonder why harddrivn has such a hard-on against these shocks and a huge love for the Yellows-

I agree with Excelerate that if you assemble these and install them correctly- you dont have noise probs. Many people forget to loosen and readjust the related sway bars and get a pinch on their bushings, or dont lube things that move or dont set the spring in the perch correctly or dont re-tighten everything after 500 miles......

It must take a lot of time to link all the pics to back up your opinion
Someone needs to consult a doctor about their insommnia

 

Because I have owned Koni Yellows (the double adjustable variety and in conjunction with good springs) and I have owned Teins.

So I know first-hand that the Tein Basic and Super Streets are poseurs.

They're even Poseurs by Tein's own standards. Here's a list of the better Tein coil-overs, none of which are available on the TL. Research them and you'll see that the Basics and SSs use soft springs, cheap internal valving and are made in Taiwan.

Tein Flex:

http://www.tein.com/flexdamp.html

Tein Monflex:

http://www.tein.com/mfpdamp.html

Tein Comfortsport (designed to be "quiet" - per Tein):

http://www.tein.com/cstdamp.html

Tein Type HT (similar to Koni "Yellows" ("Sports") and a TRUE performance coil-over:

http://www.tein.com/htdamp.html

Tein Type N1 - a true racing damper:

http://www.tein.com/n1damp.html

 

No, he just copies and pastes from one thread to another. He hasn't figured out that the TL is not a sports car and therefore won't have sports car type coilovers available for it.


harddrivin1le - 99.9999% of TL owners do not track their TL's...ever...so there's no need for a track/race oriented suspension.

 

Most BMW owners "do not track" their cars, either. That doesn't mean that they're willing to accept a flabby suspension.

Have you ever heard of the concept of a SPORTS SEDAN? Even many of the stock ones (M5, AMG Benzes, etc.) are TRULY "track ready."

The TL can acquit itself quite well on a track - with well chosen springs and dampers. And it can do so without destroying ride quality.

Koni Yellows and Eibach Sportlines are a good formula for achieving that goal. People with automatic cars should also install the 19mm rear bar.

People who care more about dropping the car 2" and "cruising" would probably be better off with Teins, 20" spinner wheels, etc.

 

^^^Most BMW's do not have track/race oriented suspensions, either.

EDIT: you mention AMG's and M's...how many of those are made? How many people own one compared to the total number of Mercedes and BMW's made? The drivers of most of those Mercedes and BMW's would not want the track ready suspensions on those "sport sedans".

 

They don't. "Most" means more than half. Take a look at all the BMWs on the road. Do you think more than half of them are racing on tracks?

 

They don't. "Most" means more than half. Take a look at all the BMWs on the road. Do you think more than half of them are racing on tracks?

I personally don't see the point in installing an aftermarket suspension unless it's going to produce DRAMATIC improvements in handling.

Those who are looking for that would be better served by choosing something other than Tein Basics or SSs.

 

No, those who want amazing handling would be better served buying a sports car and not a TL.

 

If that were true then there would be no market for cars like the BMW M3, BMW M5, the various MB AMG cars, the Audi "S" cars, etc., etc...

But there is.

Many people appreciate the attributes of a fine handling performance sedan - me being one of them.

I DON'T appreciate "slammed" cars with virtually no suspension travel equipped with poseur coil-overs and heavy, 19" wheels with brakes that are lost inside the wheel. Those who do should buy Teins.

 

chill_dog does have a good point.

 

 

He does?

Then why are sedans like the M5, AMG Benzes, and "S" series Audis offered?

For that matter, why did Acura bother with a Type S TL?

Even a BASE 3 series and 5 series is a sharp handling car that will make a Tein equipped TL feel lame. Those aren't race cars and they're not even BMW's sport models...

 

But all of those are sports cars with amazing handling from the factory...you wouldn't change the suspension on one of those cars. Would a hopped up Acura sell like those do? Probably...but one doesn't exist.

Now, you would change the suspension on the regular models. Are there more people who would change their suspension on those cars than on an Acura? Yes. So are there more options available? Yes. People will buy a regular BMW with the intention of modifying it and tracking it...they don't do that with an Acura.

 

I also sell Eibach Pro and Sportline springs. I know what the two feel like and the differences. Thanks. I think you are short on experience of different suspensions. The TL is not a sports car and the Basics and SS are designed with everyday drivers in mind who do occasional track time. The SS are damping adjsutable and therefore can be adjusted for softer rebound or a firmer setting for track use. I find them to be very performance oriented, although not race track oriented.

But why would I want my daily driver to feel like a race car?

That being said, I really don't have the time to argue with you on this as you seem to be certain of your opinion. This will be my last post in this thread. Enjoy your suspension as there are many different excellent brands out there. TEIN is top notch IMO and many others' too, but so is Eibach and H&R and Omni Power. Each is designed accordingly and to the market they cater to.

 

 

Teins Basic and Super Street coil-overs reside at the very bottom of the Tein line-up.

Here are Tein's better models, none of which are offered for the TL:

Tein Flex:

http://www.tein.com/flexdamp.html

Tein Monflex:

http://www.tein.com/mfpdamp.html

Tein Comfortsport (designed to be "quiet" - per Tein):

http://www.tein.com/cstdamp.html

Tein Type HT (similar to Koni "Yellows" ("Sports") and a TRUE performance coil-over:

http://www.tein.com/htdamp.html

Tein Type N1 - a true racing damper:

http://www.tein.com/n1damp.html

Acura's stated handling target for the current gen TL was the 5 series BMW. Since that's the case, I would expect the TL to handle like a base 5 series in stock form. I'd expect it to handle BETTER than that with aftermarket suspension components installed.

 

The TL's target in handling, per Honda in 2004:

http://www.hondanews.com/search/rele...?q=bmw&s=acura

"From a handling standpoint, the new TL chassis was designed to challenge the BMW 530i Sport, a magazine comparison favorite."

 

"NO ONE" gets the pillowball uppermounts?????? Whaaat...
If I get coilovers I want them ready to go out of the box. I don't want to have to deal w/ spring compressors and worry about seating the springs correctly w/ the pillowball mounts. That was enough fun w/ just S-Techs. I don't see why there would be any problem with if you make sure you're doing it right and don't forget to tighten things... such as the endlinks. lol.

There are plenty of people w/ SS-P's I for one will be getting them.

 

Tein's website doesn't list pillowblock versions of the SS (SS-P) for the TL.

http://www.tein.com/acura.html

Think twice before getting them if they are available. The pillowblocks have no provisions for rubber isolators. Consequently, you will hear the springs squeaking inside their perches when you go over road imperfections. I lived with it for 19 months in an Accord and ended up selling the car because of it.

 

They do for the 2G...which it looks like he has...

 

I don't see any item called "2G" on Tein's listi of Acura products:

http://www.tein.com/acura.html

Do mean a 2nd gen TL? This is a the 3rd gen, TL section; why would he be discussing a 2nd gen car here?

Teins with pillow-blocks squeak - particularly in the (lightly loaded) rears.