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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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A-spec or TEIN SS. The SS is a coilover which allow us to raise or lower the car. the question is does it perform better or have any advantage over the A-spec suspension.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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A-spec or TEIN SS. The SS is a coilover which allow us to raise or lower the car. the question is does it perform better or have any advantage over the A-spec suspension.
sorry if this topic have been discussed.
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Teins are too soft and aren't true performance coilovers. I had them and, as a former Koni owner, hated them.

Get the A-Specs. They're on sale on E-Bay for $620 + $50 shipping. That's a tough deal to argue with.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 05:45 PM
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I had tein coilovers on my accord they were alright but sort of made a clunking noise when going over bumps, ive read all over that this is common with most tein coilovers. I personally am going to go with the aspec because its acura designed for our cars. The aspec isnt that much of a drop but you wont need camber kits, and it looks better than stock. I am going to purchase the aspec suspension this week, i priced it out employee cost around $550.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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i have the A-spec right now on my TL.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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I had tein coilovers on my accord they were alright but sort of made a clunking noise when going over bumps, ive read all over that this is common with most tein coilovers. I personally am going to go with the aspec because its acura designed for our cars. The aspec isnt that much of a drop but you wont need camber kits, and it looks better than stock. I am going to purchase the aspec suspension this week, i priced it out employee cost around $550.
A -spec dampers are more aggressively valved (i.e. "stiffer") than Teins - even when the Teins are cranked to "16."

I had the SS-Ps on my Accord. The clunking drove me nuts. It might have been a worthwhile trade-off if the Teins provided the handling characteristics of a true performance damper/spring assembly, but they didn't.

They were bad enough to make me decide to sell the car after 19 months of ownership. The good news is that I got into my TL-S that much sooner.

I wouldn't allow Teins on this TL-S if someone gave them to me for free and paid for a professional install. A-specs would be a different matter, although I plan on leaving this stock.

Acura engineers did a nice job with tuning this TL-S chassis. I think it's ideally suited to the car.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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could it just be the SS. what about others models ....like the Comfort Sport, Do you guy think it will fit the TL.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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could it just be the SS. what about others models ....like the Comfort Sport, Do you guy think it will fit the TL.
The Tein Basics are even SOFTER (as opposed to the SSs when they're cranked beyond half way or so).

I believe the "comfort sport" are essentially basics with rubber isolators sandwiched between the springs and their perches, but painted a different color.

All Tein lists for the TL is the SS and the Basic. I wouldn't take either if they gave them to me.

Trust me on this. I've owned two cars with Koni Yellows, 3 cars with Bilsteins and 1 car with Teins. The Teins aren't real performance dampers.

I lived with them for 17 months; I finally sold the car because of them.

Why not just get A spec? They're selling on E-bay brand new for $620 + $50 shipping. That seems like a no-brainer for anyone who wants to alter their stock suspension.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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thanks for your help. I have the A-spec on my car right now. I am not really satisfy with the drop but that is not the main concern. I want performance. Will the SS perform better than the A-spec.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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This looks like a decent set-up, but it's not available for the TL:

http://www.tein.com/mfpdamp.html
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:42 PM
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thanks for your help. I have the A-spec on my car right now. I am not really satisfy with the drop but that is not the main concern. I want performance. Will the SS perform better than the A-spec.
The SS Teins are SOFTER and noisier than A-Spec.

My fronts would occasionally bottom on the Accord and I was only running a 1/2" drop.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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its cool, i think he just had a bad experience with his set up. I just want to get some feed back on the Tein.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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its cool, i think he just had a bad experience with his set up. I just want to get some feed back on the Tein.
+1, he just had a bad experience.
i have tein SS, no clunk, and also the handling improved A LOT
lowered the car to 1 TIGHT finger gap, no bottom out.
the car LOOKS good, HANDLES great, and no NOISE
i have my setting at 10F, 12R... the ride is still pretty good even on really bad road condition

if u search for tein SS u'll find a lot of comparison between aspec and tein basic/ SS
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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Yeah i figured. Many members on here have them so it couldn't be that bad.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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Yeah i figured. Many members on here have them so it couldn't be that bad.
Several members on this forum have said the same thing that I have about Teins.

You can also search the web and find the same information.

Tein only offers their Basic and SS models for the TL. Those are their low grade coil-overs. You'll see that they offer better models for various other cars (but not the TL).

http://www.tein.com/products.html

The SS model MIGHT improve overall handing to some degree in standard cars fitted with automatic transmissions. Type S cars will be WORSE when fitted with Teins.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
Several members on this forum have said the same thing that I have about Teins.

You can also search the web and find the same information.

Tein only offers their Basic and SS models for the TL. Those are their low grade coil-overs. You'll see that they offer better models for various other cars (but not the TL).

http://www.tein.com/products.html

The SS model MIGHT improve overall handing to some degree in standard cars fitted with automatic transmissions. Type S cars will be WORSE when fitted with Teins.

how would u know with TEIN SS on the type S it would be worse? have u tried it . only A FEW members have the clunk problems, and most of us don't.

btw SS ... DOES... improve over all handing to ALL degree in standard cars fitted with an automatic tranfsmissions.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 12:37 PM
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I had the same question when I was looking for aftermarket suspension. Right now I have a set of tein ss coilovers at the apartment waiting to be installed this weekend. Let me tell you why I chose tein SS in the end.
Teins allows you to change both the height and the damping setting. I want to lower my car a bit (not too much) but I'm pretty sure there are times when I want it to be stock height. These coilovers allows you to do so. Being able to use EDFC with these coilovers is a plus too. Without needing to take out my back seat, I can change the damping level. Why would I want to? Depend on my mood, where I'm going and who is in the car. Lets say my parents are goin to be in the car, I'll probably set it to pretty soft. But when I need some back massage from a long day of work, I can change it to the hardest setting. So I might change the settings here and there and edfc + tein ss fits my needs.
I'm already goign to install rear sway bar and I think that will help a lot on the performance aspect. Since I won't be taking hair clip turn at like 60mph, super handling suspension is not THAT important. Probably get a AWD and/or a more racing oriented car if I'm goign to do that kind of stuff.
Anyhow, hope this helps. gl on your purchase. apologies if I used the wrong terms
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 02:22 PM
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I got Tien S-Techs on my 07 TL-S and i have no problems, the rides great, handling improved, and it looks great..if i get any problems with them which im sure i wont, ill report them.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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the question here is...beside allowing you to lower/raise and change the stiffness. Does the SS handle or perform better than the A-spec.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by THTL
the question here is...beside allowing you to lower/raise and change the stiffness. Does the SS handle or perform better than the A-spec.
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i think you should ask harddrivin1le
he is the forum suspension expert!
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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I had the same question when I was looking for aftermarket suspension. Right now I have a set of tein ss coilovers at the apartment waiting to be installed this weekend. Let me tell you why I chose tein SS in the end.
Teins allows you to change both the height and the damping setting. I want to lower my car a bit (not too much) but I'm pretty sure there are times when I want it to be stock height. These coilovers allows you to do so. Being able to use EDFC with these coilovers is a plus too. Without needing to take out my back seat, I can change the damping level. Why would I want to? Depend on my mood, where I'm going and who is in the car. Lets say my parents are goin to be in the car, I'll probably set it to pretty soft. But when I need some back massage from a long day of work, I can change it to the hardest setting. So I might change the settings here and there and edfc + tein ss fits my needs.
I'm already goign to install rear sway bar and I think that will help a lot on the performance aspect. Since I won't be taking hair clip turn at like 60mph, super handling suspension is not THAT important. Probably get a AWD and/or a more racing oriented car if I'm goign to do that kind of stuff.
Anyhow, hope this helps. gl on your purchase. apologies if I used the wrong terms
I had Tein SSs on my '06 Accord EX/V6/6speed. I fully understand the reason that one would buy them. I simply don't like the spring and damping rates on the Basics and SSs, which are the only models that are offered for the TL.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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the question here is...beside allowing you to lower/raise and change the stiffness. Does the SS handle or perform better than the A-spec.
thanks.
One would have to compare the Teins to the Type S specific A spec models. They have different PNs than the other A Spec models.

A spec isn't going to kill the value of your car when you trade it; Teins will.

The Teins significantly improved the handling on my '06 Accord EX/V6/6 speed, but that car came with a HORRIBLY soft suspension from the factory.

Despite the improvements, the Teins never felt "right." They didn't feel like the spring and damping rates were specifically engineered for that car. The rears were too stiff and the fronts were too soft even when cranked to max. The fronts reminded me of the OEM "ride and handling" packages that Buick offers - a tight float, but not a real performance set-up.

I'll admit that most (and maybe all) of the noise problem I had was attributable to the pillow block mount option (not available on the TL, but STANDARD on all of their better coil-overs like the Flex and HT).
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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what if i put the CS or Flex on the TL. Do you think it will fit. Well i think you answered my question here."The Teins significantly improved the handling on my '06 Accord EX/V6/6 speed". Maybe i'll have to play with the EDFC unit to get the stiffness to my satisfaction.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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what if i put the CS or Flex on the TL. Do you think it will fit. Well i think you answered my question here."The Teins significantly improved the handling on my '06 Accord EX/V6/6 speed". Maybe i'll have to play with the EDFC unit to get the stiffness to my satisfaction.
The only Teins that will fit are the ones that Tein says will fit.

My stock Accord was MUCH softer than my stock TL-S. (I've driven bone stock Buicks, Oldsmobiles and Mercurys that were stiffer than that Accord.)

Yet, Tein uses THE SAME rear coil-over assembly for both cars (and even the 4 cylinder Accords)! (Tein has to use a different front coil-over assembly, since the front suspensions on those cars differ.)

So it's not logical to project the improvement I saw in my Accord onto a TL, let alone a TL-S.
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despite harddrivin1le's comments there are quite a few members who are quite satisfied with the tein coilovers. I guess it just doesn't meet up to harddrivin1le's standards? sounds like a hardcore suspension guy to me
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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despite harddrivin1le's comments there are quite a few members who are quite satisfied with the tein coilovers. I guess it just doesn't meet up to harddrivin1le's standards? sounds like a hardcore suspension guy to me
Some of Tein's better models (e.g. Flex, Monoflex, HT) are fine.

Thing is, Tein only offers their low end models (Basic and SS) for the TL.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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its not that they're low end models but made perfect just for the Acura TL. The TL is not a sport racing car.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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its not that they're low end models but made perfect just for the Acura TL. The TL is not a sport racing car.
How can they be "made just perfect for the TL" when the Tein uses the IDENTICAL rear coil-overs (in both Basic and SS) for the Accords - even the FOUR CYLINDER MODELS that are ~ 600 pounds lighter than a TL-S?
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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its not that they're low end models but made perfect just for the Acura TL. The TL is not a sport racing car.
Are the BMW M3, M5, the AMG Benzes, etc. "sport racing cars?"

Of course they aren't. They are nice handling, taut, yet compliant ROAD CARS. And most of that comes from well chosen springs and dampers!
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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its not that they're low end models but made perfect just for the Acura TL. The TL is not a sport racing car.
How can they be "made just perfect for the TL" when Tein uses the IDENTICAL rear coil-over assemblies - right down to the spring rates and in both Basic and SS models - for the Accords - even the FOUR CYLINDER MODELS that are ~ 600 pounds lighter than a TL-S?
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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Maybe because they same. I do not know the weight of the TL and TLS. I am asking about the BASE TL not TL-S. There have to be a reason why TEIN did not offer the CS or FLEX for the TL. I don't why.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Maybe because they same... I don't why.
"They same?"

LOL

You think a 4 cylinder Accord is "the same" as a loaded TL?

Go to the Honda and Acura sites, compare the dimensions and curb weights of those vehicles and get back to me.

Apparently Tein thinks they're the same, since they use the same rear coil-over assembly for every current gen. Accord and TL.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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I am not talking weight here, that's is why i stated "i don't know". So you think a known name company like Tein would just develop a product without doing any research but instead "THINK".
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 09:04 PM
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Im sure no aftermarket suspension is made perfect for a vehicle since the companies produce applications for lots of vehicles, this is why they probably use same rear coilovers on the accord and the tl because they can get by with it and it will work! The factory suspension is probably the best because it is designed by acura engineers, tested and designed specifically for the tl, thus it itself is probably not perfect.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
"They same?"

LOL

You think a 4 cylinder Accord is "the same" as a loaded TL?

Go to the Honda and Acura sites, compare the dimensions and curb weights of those vehicles and get back to me.

Apparently Tein thinks they're the same, since they use the same rear coil-over assembly for every current gen. Accord and TL.

do u know y they use the same rear coil-over assembly for every current gen accord and tl ? have u talked to a tein rep ? if not go talk to one and ask them y they use the same coil-over on the tl and accord.

many car manufactures uses the same ENGINE on different cars too. a great example would be VW and Audi. GTI uses 2.0T engine, while a MUCH BIGGER / HEAVIER passat uses the same 2.0T ? hmm VW is shit, don't get them?
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
Are the BMW M3, M5, the AMG Benzes, etc. "sport racing cars?"

Of course they aren't. They are nice handling, taut, yet compliant ROAD CARS. And most of that comes from well chosen springs and dampers!
why don't u get back to us when we can buy the M3, M5 and AMG's for the same price as a tl. give us a break, please.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 06:53 AM
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do u know y they use the same rear coil-over assembly for every current gen accord and tl ? have u talked to a tein rep ? if not go talk to one and ask them y they use the same coil-over on the tl and accord.
Because their website lists the same part number (and spring rate) for all of them.
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I too have a new 2007 TL-S automatic and am thinking about modifying the suspension. The present shocks feel under damped - the car seems to go through the full range of travel when going over a bump. I'm not looking for a large drop (maybe 3/4-1" at most) but have found the A-Spec suspension at about the same price as a set of Koni Sport shocks. Anyone tried that combo? Maybe with the Eibach springs?
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I just picked up the Tein SS along with the EDFC. I also purchased an Upper Hat Mount because i want to keep my A-spec coilover complete.
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