Strut Bar for EDFC
06-07-2008, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by THTL
so you saying there will be a bar, finally. 
soon in the cad design stages... made of steel
... well atleast that's a thought... hehehas for the adapter idea don has... the bolts wouldn't have enough thread to keep the bar on
06-10-2008, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
WOO-----HOOOOO !!! Wheels are in motion, I am assuming? 
06-11-2008, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
Sorry Marcus, I have to disagree again.
The two mounting points are in the same orientation as the 4 OEM points, sure they're a little closer together. The OEM bars mounting points are of a wider stance, but that's to compensate for the thinner/weaker material used to fabricate the connection fingers. The greddy mount is rigid (thick plate steel), as is the strut tower. The greddy bar resists the same forces as the TL OEM bar. Torsion would be resisted IF the OE bar was tied to the firewall. I can only assume the TL's fram geometery is reinforced to resist torsion, but the towers needed to be reinforce dto ressit lateral play under load.
I will agree on one point... The OEM Accord bar mounts to both the strut towers AND the firewall of the ACCORD. It links the towers to the firewall. WHEN MOUNTED TO THE ACCORD, the greddy bar seems like it would be WEAKER as you lose this torsional strengthening when you remove the OE bar.
But again, when installed on the TL, it functionally mounts in the same manner, and provides at least equivalent reinfoecement...
Stock Accord bar shown below. It ties the firewall to teh towers... Neither the Stock TL nor Greddy bar does this.
The two mounting points are in the same orientation as the 4 OEM points, sure they're a little closer together. The OEM bars mounting points are of a wider stance, but that's to compensate for the thinner/weaker material used to fabricate the connection fingers. The greddy mount is rigid (thick plate steel), as is the strut tower. The greddy bar resists the same forces as the TL OEM bar. Torsion would be resisted IF the OE bar was tied to the firewall. I can only assume the TL's fram geometery is reinforced to resist torsion, but the towers needed to be reinforce dto ressit lateral play under load.
I will agree on one point... The OEM Accord bar mounts to both the strut towers AND the firewall of the ACCORD. It links the towers to the firewall. WHEN MOUNTED TO THE ACCORD, the greddy bar seems like it would be WEAKER as you lose this torsional strengthening when you remove the OE bar.
But again, when installed on the TL, it functionally mounts in the same manner, and provides at least equivalent reinfoecement...
Stock Accord bar shown below. It ties the firewall to teh towers... Neither the Stock TL nor Greddy bar does this.
The GReddy bar does not functionally mount in the same manner as the stock bar. The point I want to make is the one I believe marcus has been trying to make, but hasn't said it in quite this way:
1. having 3 mounting points, located where they are, is a matter of load distribution. Having those three spots, spaced as they are, allows the lateral load being placed on the mounts at the ends to be distributed to brace the entire tower, rather than focused on one main bolt or one small point on one side of the tower.
2. The number and orientation of the mounting bolts on the GReddy, if you look at it, places nearly all of the lateral load on that first inner mounting bolt. That second bolt is functionally useless since most of the pressure is not even directed towards it. You will also notice that the load is focused on one small part of the upper strut tower, not spread evenly over the entire tower. Also not the most efficient means of bracing.
Like I said, most normal drivers will never know the difference, but there definitely is one. I have been watching this thread with interest, since I'm looking at upgrading to a better road/track coilover and the EDFC intrigues me. If anyone else tries out making their own mounting brackets for the GReddy bar I would definitely be interested in sharing information. I've been playing around with a few templates myself, but don't have anything that I am comfortable with trying. I guess in the mean time I'll hold my breath with the rest of you.
06-11-2008, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ek9hatch
Like I said, most normal drivers will never know the difference, but there definitely is one. I have been watching this thread with interest, since I'm looking at upgrading to a better road/track coilover and the EDFC intrigues me. If anyone else tries out making their own mounting brackets for the GReddy bar I would definitely be interested in sharing information. I've been playing around with a few templates myself, but don't have anything that I am comfortable with trying. I guess in the mean time I'll hold my breath with the rest of you.
06-11-2008, 10:16 PM
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yeah, that idea occured to me too, and it's a good one, but like I said, not totally comfortable trying it out myself, as my fabricating skills are... not exactly on level with the Jesse James' of the world. If one of these deals doesn't come through though, I might have to call in some favors to see about making something work.
06-12-2008, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ek9hatch
yeah, that idea occured to me too, and it's a good one, but like I said, not totally comfortable trying it out myself
06-12-2008, 05:16 PM
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dont drill any holes... don't waste your cash on greddy bar...
here is the vid I sent for r&d
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14182120RmhB7rqy
I got a little carried away with the rest of my engine bay but still you guys know what the purpose is
here is the vid I sent for r&d
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14182120RmhB7rqy
I got a little carried away with the rest of my engine bay but still you guys know what the purpose is
06-13-2008, 01:37 AM
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huh? wow dude you are bery bery bery lost... the video was for r&d purposes... meaning the designer needed to see a quick clearance shot around all areas... in the video it is the OEM Strut Bar... He needed to see what the passenger side obstructions looked like
OFFICIAL TEASER NOTE: The strut bar will be stainless steel and it will bolt on to 5 bolts
OFFICIAL TEASER NOTE: The strut bar will be stainless steel and it will bolt on to 5 bolts
07-14-2008, 09:11 PM
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what do you guys think of these?
http://search.stores.ebay.com/BMP-de...703326QQsofpZ0
if this link doesnt work
Acura TL 04-08 H&R 28mm Front Sway Bar
and
Acura TL 04-08 H&R 22mm Rear Sway Bar
http://search.stores.ebay.com/BMP-de...703326QQsofpZ0
if this link doesnt work
Acura TL 04-08 H&R 28mm Front Sway Bar
and
Acura TL 04-08 H&R 22mm Rear Sway Bar
07-16-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
actros took his front one out completely... what I've heard is a front sway bar adds to the understeer
It also adds to high speed stability and easier car control. I have driven cars without front bars and yea, they understeer less. And when they go to oversteer WATCH OUT!
I don't suggest this at all except for a dedicated auto-x car.
Marcus
07-22-2008, 01:57 PM
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Any news on the strut bar front? I want to add in the TEIN SS's W/ EDFC.. but will wait for a good, working solution...
Why has this not been sorted out in the past? Are we the first group to get into mods like this... since '04?
Why has this not been sorted out in the past? Are we the first group to get into mods like this... since '04?
alot of talking, but no doing! go custom like me! 
07-23-2008, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
ugh. this thread blows. i want the damn bar already
I am not going to make any more posts until I have some news.
That being said I bitched out my supplier for taking so damn long. I would go elsewhere but this car deserved high quality and a well engineered part which not everyone can do.
07-24-2008, 10:41 AM
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Alright I think I get is now, so because people are using an accord Strut bar, they are missing one of the studs on each side, and everyone refers to the missing stud as a top hat.
Got it.
Got it.
07-24-2008, 05:45 PM
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Just another tid bit, there was about 4-5 months there where I was not working on this at all. It seemed like interested tapered. So I know it is taking a long time, and the people keep asking about it, but it is always the same people. The sense of urgency has never really been that great....
07-24-2008, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
Just another tid bit, there was about 4-5 months there where I was not working on this at all. It seemed like interested tapered. So I know it is taking a long time, and the people keep asking about it, but it is always the same people. The sense of urgency has never really been that great....
Well you know what they say, money talks, and bullshit walks.
If 20 people say they are interested 3 people might actually fork over the money.
The other 17 will complain about:
-The welds
-The color
-The placement
-The price
-The weight
-The negative effect the materials had on the environment
-How investing in car parts is not a wise investment in this economy (which if you take a look, your car parts lose there initial value, but pretty much sell for the same after that no matter what, wish we could say the same for houses. I bet some people are wishing they invested in car parts instead of real estate now hahaha)
-Why its painted instead of polished
-Why its polished instead of painted
-Why you used aluminum and not steel
-Why did you even bother at all
And all the while after you spend the time making the parts, defending them online, you realize that you investment and the time spent really yielded you no profit. Then you realize you could have easily worked at Burger King and ended up more profitable and less stressed.
I give major respect to the companies that produce aftermarket performance parts, it must take an extreme amount of patience.
/rant
07-24-2008, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boosted_Brian
Well you know what they say, money talks, and bullshit walks.
If 20 people say they are interested 3 people might actually fork over the money.
The other 17 will complain about:
-The welds
-The color
-The placement
-The price
-The weight
-The negative effect the materials had on the environment
-How investing in car parts is not a wise investment in this economy (which if you take a look, your car parts lose there initial value, but pretty much sell for the same after that no matter what, wish we could say the same for houses. I bet some people are wishing they invested in car parts instead of real estate now hahaha)
-Why its painted instead of polished
-Why its polished instead of painted
-Why you used aluminum and not steel
-Why did you even bother at all
And all the while after you spend the time making the parts, defending them online, you realize that you investment and the time spent really yielded you no profit. Then you realize you could have easily worked at Burger King and ended up more profitable and less stressed.
I give major respect to the companies that produce aftermarket performance parts, it must take an extreme amount of patience.
/rant
If 20 people say they are interested 3 people might actually fork over the money.
The other 17 will complain about:
-The welds
-The color
-The placement
-The price
-The weight
-The negative effect the materials had on the environment
-How investing in car parts is not a wise investment in this economy (which if you take a look, your car parts lose there initial value, but pretty much sell for the same after that no matter what, wish we could say the same for houses. I bet some people are wishing they invested in car parts instead of real estate now hahaha)
-Why its painted instead of polished
-Why its polished instead of painted
-Why you used aluminum and not steel
-Why did you even bother at all
And all the while after you spend the time making the parts, defending them online, you realize that you investment and the time spent really yielded you no profit. Then you realize you could have easily worked at Burger King and ended up more profitable and less stressed.
I give major respect to the companies that produce aftermarket performance parts, it must take an extreme amount of patience.
/rant
Which is why I am trying to be as particular as possible. Long time but worth the wait I am hoping. Give them less to complain about. Sure, there is always going to be something though.
07-24-2008, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
Which is why I am trying to be as particular as possible. Long time but worth the wait I am hoping. Give them less to complain about. Sure, there is always going to be something though.
I hear yea and admire what you are trying to do.
07-28-2008, 02:28 PM
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I admire also what you are doing MRHeeltoe..I am definetely interested and will purchase as soon as you have a great product available. I just got off the phone with Tein and they are aware of the problem with UA6 owners and EDFC. They will not be addressing it until the first quarter of 2009 to start R&D on a Tein upper strut bar. boooooo
08-04-2008, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by k00lt1nt
I admire also what you are doing MRHeeltoe..I am definetely interested and will purchase as soon as you have a great product available. I just got off the phone with Tein and they are aware of the problem with UA6 owners and EDFC. They will not be addressing it until the first quarter of 2009 to start R&D on a Tein upper strut bar. boooooo
Yeah I already spoke with them about it. We had a discussion about making a bar but honestly they did not seem too into the idea. Their bar sales have not been where they want, I don't think.
Marcis
09-19-2008, 12:54 PM
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waste time with richie? every product he's designed he's delivered, my car is at 270+ to the wheels for an auto 
... why? because of his full stainless steel masterpieces
if he wasn't so secreative about his design, which jason knows all to well about we'd post pics and all, but since there is nothing to prove to anyone... meh...
just lookout for the group buy soon, he'll become a vendor shortly
... why? because of his full stainless steel masterpiecesif he wasn't so secreative about his design, which jason knows all to well about
we'd post pics and all, but since there is nothing to prove to anyone... meh...just lookout for the group buy soon, he'll become a vendor shortly
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