Stiffer springs without the lowering?
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Stiffer springs without the lowering?
I was thinking of going with something like a 20% stiffer spring but I refuse to lower the car since it already has very little ground clearance and suspension travel.
Is there a stiffer spring made for our cars that retains the factory ride height?
Is there a stiffer spring made for our cars that retains the factory ride height?
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Just a thought, you might be able to get a minimal net change in height getting some Tein Htechs, and koni yellows with the perches maxed out. Or even just get the shocks and toss them on the stock springs to firm the dampening up, reduce float, etc. You'd be increasing travel as well since these shocks delete the huge stock bump stop.
Although I need to disagree that the car has little ground clearance...relative to a lot of cars I have dealt with the TL has quite a bit of clearance even when lowered. 1-2 inches.
Although I need to disagree that the car has little ground clearance...relative to a lot of cars I have dealt with the TL has quite a bit of clearance even when lowered. 1-2 inches.
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Or, how about a used TL type S strut set?
Those are notably stiffer than non-type S. You'd never confuse the two. And the spring/shock combo is pretty well matched.
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Those are notably stiffer than non-type S. You'd never confuse the two. And the spring/shock combo is pretty well matched.
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Type S or A spec springs sound like a good idea. I have the Koni Yellow already.
I know the Type S springs are stock height. Does the A-spec get it's lowering from the spring perch or the springs themselves? If it's the spring, I can always set the perch on the Konis back to stock height.
Last, is there any place I can order just the springs without getting the whole damper assembly?
I don't mind experimenting with differerent springs, it took me less than and hour to install the Konis.
As for lowering, it is lowered 3/4" in the front from the Konis. Rear is stock height but with the subs it's about 1/2" lower. It's a daily driver so I don't want it any lower. With 3 co-workers in it going to lunch I can't make it over even the smallest speed bumps without bottoming. I also want real life good handling which means retaining all suspension travel to take up bumps when cornering. Hitting bumpstops mid corner is a very bad thing.
I realize removing/installing shorter bumpstops will give it more travel but then you get into camber change and bump steer issues.
I know the Type S springs are stock height. Does the A-spec get it's lowering from the spring perch or the springs themselves? If it's the spring, I can always set the perch on the Konis back to stock height.
Last, is there any place I can order just the springs without getting the whole damper assembly?
I don't mind experimenting with differerent springs, it took me less than and hour to install the Konis.
As for lowering, it is lowered 3/4" in the front from the Konis. Rear is stock height but with the subs it's about 1/2" lower. It's a daily driver so I don't want it any lower. With 3 co-workers in it going to lunch I can't make it over even the smallest speed bumps without bottoming. I also want real life good handling which means retaining all suspension travel to take up bumps when cornering. Hitting bumpstops mid corner is a very bad thing.
I realize removing/installing shorter bumpstops will give it more travel but then you get into camber change and bump steer issues.
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So far, here's what I found.
Sport (I'm assuming a-spec??)
F- 51401 SEP A15
R- 52441 SEP A12
TYPE S
F- SEP A22, A31, A41
R- SEP A13
BASE
F- SEP A06
R- SEP A02
Anyone know why there are 3 different front springs listed for the type S?
Also, I think it goes in this order of stiffness, A-spec>Type S> Base. Correct?
I really wish I would've taken it out to Buttonwillow to get some times before the RSB install. Hopefully I will have the time to get before/after times with the new setup.
My biggest concern is if I get the A-spec I need to know if the springs alone will lower the car.
Sport (I'm assuming a-spec??)
F- 51401 SEP A15
R- 52441 SEP A12
TYPE S
F- SEP A22, A31, A41
R- SEP A13
BASE
F- SEP A06
R- SEP A02
Anyone know why there are 3 different front springs listed for the type S?
Also, I think it goes in this order of stiffness, A-spec>Type S> Base. Correct?
I really wish I would've taken it out to Buttonwillow to get some times before the RSB install. Hopefully I will have the time to get before/after times with the new setup.
My biggest concern is if I get the A-spec I need to know if the springs alone will lower the car.
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I should add that at roughly $160 for a set of springs and only a couple hours installation, I don't mind experimenting a little.
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I've been reading up for the last hour on stock vs aspec vs typeS vs aftermarket and I've definately made my mind up on the A-spec.
The only problem I have is I already have the Konis and it sits .5" to .75" lower in the front. I absolutely will not go any lower. I have the option to move the perch to the stock setting which is what I think I'll do and then order the slightly stiffer auto a-spec kit for my 5AT.
Are you running the auto or manual kit and about how much did it drop the car? Is the rear lower also?
TIA. This is info I could not get elsewhere.
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So far, here's what I found.
Sport (I'm assuming a-spec??)
F- 51401 SEP A15
R- 52441 SEP A12
TYPE S
F- SEP A22, A31, A41
R- SEP A13
BASE
F- SEP A06
R- SEP A02
Anyone know why there are 3 different front springs listed for the type S?
Also, I think it goes in this order of stiffness, A-spec>Type S> Base. Correct?
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Sport (I'm assuming a-spec??)
F- 51401 SEP A15
R- 52441 SEP A12
TYPE S
F- SEP A22, A31, A41
R- SEP A13
BASE
F- SEP A06
R- SEP A02
Anyone know why there are 3 different front springs listed for the type S?
Also, I think it goes in this order of stiffness, A-spec>Type S> Base. Correct?
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"Sport" = MT on the '04 - '06.
Yes, word on the street is stiffness is A-Spec > TL-S > Base.
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Where could I find the a-spec springs on Acuraoemparts? Maybe $160 for the set is too good to be true?
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They don't show them as a separate part. Only as an "assembly".
hi a-spec part # 08W60-SEP-200 http://acuraofboston.com/Parts.cl/
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A-Specs should do a great job and barely lowers the car from what I have read. 1/2-3/4" max. If I was U thats what I would do. Personally TEIN SS in in my near future, I want about 1.25" lower F&R.
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This sucks that I may have to buy the a-spec spring and shock combo and sell the shocks to recover some of my cost.
Anyone know the spring rate difference between the type-s and a-spec? I really want the a-spec springs but don't need the shocks.
Anyone know the spring rate difference between the type-s and a-spec? I really want the a-spec springs but don't need the shocks.
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Anyone want a set of NIB a-spec shocks?
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I thought A-Spec shocks were the same as base? Hard telling if the valving is different or not unless you have a part # of the A-Spec kit shocks to compare to base shocks? I know it's a hassle since A-Spec suspension is sold in "kit" form
Interesting reading though and props for experimenting
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I thought A-Spec shocks were the same as base? Hard telling if the valving is different or not unless you have a part # of the A-Spec kit shocks to compare to base shocks? I know it's a hassle since A-Spec suspension is sold in "kit" form
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I absolutely don't want to go aftermarket because I feel that the a-spec is a very balanced kit in more ways than one. Especially after Michael Benz too 1st place over the course of a year with only a-spec and a RSB.
If I could find the spring rates of the a-spec kit I could compare to what aftermarket offerings are closest. But I've been looking for a-spec spring rates for two days and can't find them.
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Educated guess: The A-Spec shocks are not the same as base. Also, not the same as type S. I just converted my 2007 TL type S to A-Spec. The springs are incrementally stiffer than type S. If the shocks were the same, they wouldn't work right with the stiffer springs. As to base (I go to lunch with a friend who has one) the springs and shocks are more than a little softer than the type S. Initially, it didn't seem that the A-Spec suspension was tuned right. Too much jounce resistance and not enough rebound resistance. After about two weeks and 500+ miles, that changed. I'm a happy camper now. (Happy enough that I'm ready to sell the type S strut assemblies).
So based on admittedly only two cars and three suspensions (all 2007) I say we've got three notably different spring rates and more-or-less tuned shocks to match.
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So based on admittedly only two cars and three suspensions (all 2007) I say we've got three notably different spring rates and more-or-less tuned shocks to match.
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Forgot to mention: The type S rear springs are linear; i.e. all the coils are evenly spaced. The A-Spec are progressive rate. Front springs for both are linear wound.
Go figure.
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Go figure.
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yea i'm also gonna guess that the a-spec shocks aren't the same as stock. the a-spec suspension was supposedly tuned as a sport suspension design so i wouldn't think the designer just threw different springs on the stock shocks.
does anyone know if other car manufacturers like bmw that offer an oem sport suspension package have different shocks? acura isn't the only one that does this as an oem package.
does anyone know if other car manufacturers like bmw that offer an oem sport suspension package have different shocks? acura isn't the only one that does this as an oem package.
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Ended up going with the a-spec springs with Konis and I'm very happy with it. The car lost some of it's rake and it seems to understeer a bit more now.
I'm going to put one endlink in the firm position on the rsb and leave the other in the soft position to see if I can't get the balance back to how it was without going to full firm on the bar.
I'm going to put one endlink in the firm position on the rsb and leave the other in the soft position to see if I can't get the balance back to how it was without going to full firm on the bar.
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