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Old 03-16-2011 | 09:02 AM
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Question Rear camber

I recently installed Koni sport shocks and Eibach springs, the drop was approx 1.75” at the front and approx 1.25 – 1.50 at the rear. I let the car settle for a week or 2 before getting an alignment. We found the toe to be out all the way around, which is common after a drop and that was corrected. Front camber was corrected and within factory spec but the rear was out -2. I just installed new tires on the car and was wondering if that number warrants a rear camber kit?
Old 03-16-2011 | 09:46 AM
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-2 Degrees will wear the tires a bit faster, but it depends on the tire as to how fast. A softer tire will obviously wear more than a harder tire.
Old 03-16-2011 | 11:31 AM
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Anything out of spec will wear the tires, so a camber kit is recommended, good investment.
Just curoius how the front camber was corrected if it was out of spec?
Old 03-16-2011 | 12:01 PM
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Any negative toe will wear out your tires prematurely. I'd recommend the Ingalls rear camber kit, which includes an arm for toe and camber.

You need a qty of 2 of the following:

http://store.excelerateperformance.c...5/i-60220.aspx
Old 03-16-2011 | 12:40 PM
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front camber can't be corrected without the kit. Toe can. And I have been riding for 2 years on a set of general exclaim tires with -2.3 camber in the back and my tires are just fine. I do notice very minimal difference between thread depth on the inside and the outside of the tire but it's not a big deal at all.
Old 03-16-2011 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by myron
front camber can't be corrected without the kit. Toe can. And I have been riding for 2 years on a set of general exclaim tires with -2.3 camber in the back and my tires are just fine. I do notice very minimal difference between thread depth on the inside and the outside of the tire but it's not a big deal at all.
Yeah, there are a few folks running with -1.9 to -2.1 camber that are reporting no issues. However, with out of spec camber, any wear caused by out of spec toe will be exaggerated/accelerated. If you don't want to mess with a camber kit (rear), you should be OK as long as you keep the toe in spec.
Old 03-16-2011 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by myron
And I have been riding for 2 years on a set of general exclaim tires with -2.3 camber in the back and my tires are just fine. I do notice very minimal difference between thread depth on the inside and the outside of the tire but it's not a big deal at all.
First you state that the tires are fine, then that you state that there is uneven tread wear betweeen the inside/outside, so I guess they aren't fine and are wearing uneven, more on the inside. Many people that are out of spec reply in the same manner, tires are great, but do notice inside wear, but not that bad as I rotate the tires. Great then all four can wear on the inside.

Once again, to obtain even wear, get all the corners in spec and the only way to do this is with a kit as mentioned above. Can't understand why people spend all the money on tires, wheels, springs, shocks, coil-overs and don't want to spend the few extra dollars to ensure that everything is in spec. Beyond me.
Old 03-20-2011 | 02:39 AM
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read the article
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/do-i-need-camber-kit-606757/

the answer is as long as you have a proper alignment and your toe is at 0 you will be fine. forget the camber kit put that money elsewhere
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Originally Posted by mrlal8
read the article
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=606757

the answer is as long as you have a proper alignment and your toe is at 0 you will be fine. forget the camber kit put that money elsewhere
Well, if the camber is out you can't have a proper alignment without the kit. If you read the article Marcus, as well as many others, state that they have lowered cars, set the toe, and the camber is out but the inside wear will be slight.. If I spent the money to lower a car, along with the cost of tires and or wheels I'd certainly spend the few extra dollars ($145) to have the car in spec. Now, if some of the people want the extra camber to ensure the tires fit under the vehicle, now that's their choice and an entirely different scenario and should voice no complaints about inside tire wear.

Bottom line is to get the kit, get an alignment and be done with the hassle of tire wear, but on the other hand, if you want inside tire wear or heavy negative camber, leave it as is.

How can one not buy the kit at the price listed as it would only be $145 for both sides, and remember the list is $462.02.
Old 03-20-2011 | 10:25 AM
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I'd certainly spend the few extra dollars ($145) to have the car in spec. How can one not buy the kit at the price listed as it would only be $145 for both sides, and remember the list is $462.02.
I had better make that $155 before the audit police get me.
Old 03-20-2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbonut
Well, if the camber is out you can't have a proper alignment without the kit. If you read the article Marcus, as well as many others, state that they have lowered cars, set the toe, and the camber is out but the inside wear will be slight.. If I spent the money to lower a car, along with the cost of tires and or wheels I'd certainly spend the few extra dollars ($145) to have the car in spec. Now, if some of the people want the extra camber to ensure the tires fit under the vehicle, now that's their choice and an entirely different scenario and should voice no complaints about inside tire wear.

Bottom line is to get the kit, get an alignment and be done with the hassle of tire wear, but on the other hand, if you want inside tire wear or heavy negative camber, leave it as is.

How can one not buy the kit at the price listed as it would only be $145 for both sides, and remember the list is $462.02.
+1 i got an ingalls kit in the rear because im dropped so low,but not low enough to warrant one in the front. toe is good in the front and back,and rear is within spec
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Originally Posted by Turbonut
Well, if the camber is out you can't have a proper alignment without the kit. If you read the article Marcus, as well as many others, state that they have lowered cars, set the toe, and the camber is out but the inside wear will be slight.. If I spent the money to lower a car, along with the cost of tires and or wheels I'd certainly spend the few extra dollars ($145) to have the car in spec. Now, if some of the people want the extra camber to ensure the tires fit under the vehicle, now that's their choice and an entirely different scenario and should voice no complaints about inside tire wear.

Bottom line is to get the kit, get an alignment and be done with the hassle of tire wear, but on the other hand, if you want inside tire wear or heavy negative camber, leave it as is.

How can one not buy the kit at the price listed as it would only be $145 for both sides, and remember the list is $462.02.
where are you finding one for 145?
Old 03-20-2011 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mrlal8
where are you finding one for 145?
It's $155 total for both sides right here on our site:
http://store.excelerateperformance.c...5/i-60220.aspx

As stated before, any car that the rear camber is out of spec, for a $155 it's well worth the price to save the tires.

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Old 03-20-2011 | 09:18 PM
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Unless there is a reason that you must run -2 degrees, just get it corrected. Though -2 degrees isn't enough to affect tire wear drastically as long as you adjust the toe to compensate, it does make the car feel twitchy at times. $155 is cheap so get it done for peace of mind.
Old 03-20-2011 | 09:27 PM
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Yeah, the kit itself is $155. Then a shop is going to charge $250 to put it in, plus however much it is to align it.
Old 03-21-2011 | 06:49 AM
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Yeah, the kit itself is $155. Then a shop is going to charge $250 to put it in, plus however much it is to align it.
After lowering the car, it needs an alignment anyway so no more cost and if you can't do an install of the Ingall's kit yourself that is fairly easy, you're probably paying the shop to do the drop, so just add it to the labor bill. Other alternative that has been stated before, if it's out of spec leave it as is and watch the tires wear.

Don't know what a shop would charge to install the kit, but I'd do it all day long for $250.
Old 03-21-2011 | 03:11 PM
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the ingalls are just 2 arms that are directly replaced... anyone should be able to do it. and alignments are a must if u care for ur tires
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camber wear is blown way out of proportion (unless you are running stretched tires at -6 degrees camber). And yea you notice wear but in the last 2 years with -2.X amount of camber, the difference in thread wear is so minuscule that it's not even worth mentioning.
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Originally Posted by myron
camber wear is blown way out of proportion (unless you are running stretched tires at -6 degrees camber). And yea you notice wear but in the last 2 years with -2.X amount of camber, the difference in thread wear is so minuscule that it's not even worth mentioning.
That's what we're all saying, minimal, but it's still uneven wear, especially if you can see the difference, and if the tires are rotated it can be more annoying when they are placed on the front as the uneven wear won't sit perpendicular to the road surface.
Like I've stated many times before, if one doesn't want the camber to be in spec, leave it alone and let the tires wear unevenly albeit slightly. To each their own.
Old 03-21-2011 | 08:12 PM
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beating a dead horse lol
Old 03-21-2011 | 08:21 PM
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Whatever $165 shipped so I just went ahead and ordered the kit lol
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