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Old 04-15-2005 | 12:57 AM
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new rims/tires and ride concerns

I have the a-spec setup on stock 17's with the turanzas. The spring is here and its time for a-spec 18's. I understand the nature of having to sacrifice some ride, but Ive heard the yokos can be a bit jarring. I Don't mind dishing out the few hundred more for PS2s or p nero zeros. Read somewhere that somone actually noted an improvement in ride switching to 18s and pirellis from stock, dont know how much of that is true but everyone let me know what you think. Thanks.
Old 04-15-2005 | 11:00 PM
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1. you wasted your $$$ on the a-spec crud.
2. check out some of the tire places like tirerack.com for reviews.
Old 04-16-2005 | 12:30 AM
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I have a 6mt with A-Spec suspension and Comptech RSB. It is not a waste of money in my opinion...a noticeable difference in handling w/o a harsh ride. It does not handle like it would with Koni yellows and Eibach springs but it isn't suppossed to. I added Black Chrome A-Spec wheels, 18X8, with Michelin Pilot Sport a/S 245/40 18. The TL has been transformed...it handles very well and ride just a little stiffer. It's just what I want...for now.
Old 04-16-2005 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Tight TL
I have a 6mt with A-Spec suspension and Comptech RSB. It is not a waste of money in my opinion...a noticeable difference in handling w/o a harsh ride. It does not handle like it would with Koni yellows and Eibach springs but it isn't suppossed to. I added Black Chrome A-Spec wheels, 18X8, with Michelin Pilot Sport a/S 245/40 18. The TL has been transformed...it handles very well and ride just a little stiffer. It's just what I want...for now.
you would have done better with any of the TEIN packages. so you went from a 20mm to a 22mm swaybar, not likely you noticed anything from that, but ok that CT bar is "better". 5at owners definitely know they went from a 17mm to a 22mm bar.
Old 04-16-2005 | 12:53 AM
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For someone who doesn't know me you make some unfortunate assumptions. Tein in my opinion is the Monroe of coilovers...average quality.
Old 04-16-2005 | 01:06 AM
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I just installed the Potenza Re750's (235-40-18) and the ride is very close to the stock Michelins with less road noise and better handling. The were rated #3 by the Tire Rack and have exceeded my expectations!

2005 TL SSM/EBONY/5AT/NAVI/18"INSPYRE/ASPEC/LIP SPOILER/PINNACLE TINT
Old 04-16-2005 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Tight TL
For someone who doesn't know me you make some unfortunate assumptions. Tein in my opinion is the Monroe of coilovers...average quality.

i wont flame you for this comment, i'll let the member majority do that.

i give you benefit of the doubt and say you have no idea what TEIN is.
Old 04-17-2005 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast Lavey
I just installed the Potenza Re750's (235-40-18) and the ride is very close to the stock Michelins with less road noise and better handling. The were rated #3 by the Tire Rack and have exceeded my expectations!

2005 TL SSM/EBONY/5AT/NAVI/18"INSPYRE/ASPEC/LIP SPOILER/PINNACLE TINT
I bought these same tires after having PZeros. The performance was nice but the ride was harsher and noticeably louder than the PZeros. Comfort and noise were higher priorities for me, so I returned them under the 30 day ride trial and got 245/40/18 PZeros. I really like the PZeros.

I have the 04 Aspec rims and the tire fills the rim nicely.

Just shows you how subjective tire preferences can be.
Old 04-17-2005 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tight TL
For someone who doesn't know me you make some unfortunate assumptions. Tein in my opinion is the Monroe of coilovers...average quality.
I agree, but for the TL there really is no choice.. I wish Apex would make coilovers for the TL...
Old 04-17-2005 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cornelius
I agree, but for the TL there really is no choice.. I wish Apex would make coilovers for the TL...

WHAAAATTT? plenty of other choices:

eibach/koni
eibach/tokico
eibach/kyb

and countless other spring strut/shock combos all better than a-spec crud.
Old 04-17-2005 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RacialSlurs
1. you wasted your $$$ on the a-spec crud.

What he's really saying is that he wishes he had A-SPEC also, but he couldn't afford it and has probably never driven an A-SPEC. Let me tell you...A-SPEC rocks and their are many reviews that confirm the seat-of-my-pant's telling me so. Whether it's worth the extra $ may be worthy of debate but the fact that it markedly improves the handling of the TL is not.
Old 04-17-2005 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RacialSlurs
WHAAAATTT? plenty of other choices:

eibach/koni
eibach/tokico
eibach/kyb

and countless other spring strut/shock combos all better than a-spec crud.
didnt i say coilovers??
Old 04-17-2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cornelius
didnt i say coilovers??
they are coilovers, coil is OVER the shock or strut.

do you mean to say A D J U S T A B L E coilovers.

suspension terms 101 for you this fall semester
Old 04-18-2005 | 12:12 PM
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Old 04-18-2005 | 02:11 PM
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I'm installing my ASPEC crap this weekend. I had Eibach/ Konis on a Trans AM.... I couldn't see anyone wanting that on any daily driven vehicle much less a 30k+ luxury sedan.
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Racial slur- 3 words.. go fuck yourself
and to think Mods are PM'ing me about my sarcasm. you should be banned for attacking me like this.
Old 04-18-2005 | 05:50 PM
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Old 04-18-2005 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RacialSlurs
they are coilovers, coil is OVER the shock or strut.

do you mean to say A D J U S T A B L E coilovers.

suspension terms 101 for you this fall semester
i guess you're right. next time im gonna be like, "im gonna get some eibach spring/ koni shock coilovers" instead of "im gonna get the eibach springs with koni shocks." have you heard someone say, "i have the comptech springs/ stock shock coilovers" ?

i was looking through this forum and i saw your bitter presence throughout.. are you having some kind of midlife crisis or something? why are you being so sarcastic? its not funny, if thats what your intentions are.
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Originally Posted by cornelius
i guess you're right. next time im gonna be like, "im gonna get some eibach spring/ koni shock coilovers" instead of "im gonna get the eibach springs with koni shocks." have you heard someone say, "i have the comptech springs/ stock shock coilovers" ?

i was looking through this forum and i saw your bitter presence throughout.. are you having some kind of midlife crisis or something? why are you being so sarcastic? its not funny, if thats what your intentions are.
cornelius,
there is no need to say "coilover", everything for the 3g tl is a coilover setup. i mentioned "spring/shock" combos and got flamed back with a "i said coilovers"...

there are coilovers, then there are adjustable coilovers like what TEIN has to offer, adjusting can be pre-load, damping, or both. so if you say "eibach/koni" then i already know it's a coilover because thats what the TL takes, and i also know they are non-adjustable.

for some vehicles, one may go from a seperate spring/shock mounting setup to a single coilover setup.

it blows me away what some people post here and others simply believe it.

bitter? NO. sarcastic? YES.
Old 04-20-2005 | 02:00 AM
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Taken from Nuespeed site:

The word "coilover" has morphed into several different meanings over the last few years. Originally, a coilover shock refered to a racing shock with threads cut into the shock tube. A large nut which served as the lower spring seat screwed down onto the threads. Smaller coilover springs, usually 2.25" or 2.50" inside diameter, needed to be used with the shock.

In the early 1990s, Ground Control began engineering and producing threaded aluminum sleeves that slipped over KONI, Bilstein, Tokico, etc. performance shock absorbers. The sleeve also had a large nut that served as the lower perch. The sleeve rested on the production spring seat so it would not slide all the way down the shock tube. A smaller 2.5" racing spring was packaged with the kit.

Many other companies jumped into making these coilover sleeves, but did very little engineering work to select their spring rates, or made no attempt to match the spring rates to a suitable sport shock. Their ill-fitting products cheapened the meaning of the word "Coilover."

Shock absorber companies like Bilstein and Koni saw how many coilover sleeves were being used with stock shock absorbers, resulting in poor bump control and ride quality. Bilstein and Koni starting making complete coilover kits, complete with sport shock absorbers (most with threaded bodies), and matched sport springs.
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