I hate cars...you get credit on the RSB debate
02-06-2011, 11:07 AM
#1
I hate cars...you get credit on the RSB debate
I just came back from Big Willow. Entering turn 8 at 110 mph and feathering the throttle all the way through the corner, the pucker factor would have been about 2000 on a scale of 1-10 if I would have had an aftermarket rear sway bar in my TSX. Its possible I could have been faster with one, but more likely than that I would have spun while doing it. Mind you, I was pushing my car HARD. All 4 255's were getting squirly, and I extrapolated a 1.45.xxx out of my 200 hp fwd car.
HOWEVER. For people who are not driving 10/10s on a track, a rear sway bar is a totally appropriate upgrade. For the 'normal' daily driving people do (which is nowhere near the limits of the car, and falls into maybe 4-6 10ths of the car's capability) the RSB makes the driving experience much more gratifying and safely imparts a sense of stability and improved handling.
So, as driving conditions get more and more toward performance driving the need for a rear sway bar upgrade gets less and less until grip increases, and/or a front bar upgrade is done as well so as not to upset the balance of the car. But on a mild street upgrade a rear swaybar alone can hugely improve the driving experience. The amount of speed needed to induce oversteer is high enough that it is outside the threshold of sane driving, on the street. 99% of all drivers would never even approach this limit on the street even if they think they are.
HOWEVER. For people who are not driving 10/10s on a track, a rear sway bar is a totally appropriate upgrade. For the 'normal' daily driving people do (which is nowhere near the limits of the car, and falls into maybe 4-6 10ths of the car's capability) the RSB makes the driving experience much more gratifying and safely imparts a sense of stability and improved handling.
So, as driving conditions get more and more toward performance driving the need for a rear sway bar upgrade gets less and less until grip increases, and/or a front bar upgrade is done as well so as not to upset the balance of the car. But on a mild street upgrade a rear swaybar alone can hugely improve the driving experience. The amount of speed needed to induce oversteer is high enough that it is outside the threshold of sane driving, on the street. 99% of all drivers would never even approach this limit on the street even if they think they are.
02-07-2011, 01:17 PM
#3
2014 Jeep SRT
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02-08-2011, 04:26 PM
#6
I have had a pretty similar experience with my TL during high speed cornering at BIR. I would add though that I would bet money that if you had both a RSB and an upgraded front sway as well, the "pucker" factor would have much more within "acceptable" limits. After feeling the oversteer my TL had just about everywhere on the track, I am pretty convinced an upgraded FSB would have made the car a lot more neutral feeling overall.
Just my two cents. But throw a front and rear sway on your TSX and try that corner again and share the results! lol
BTW, what 255's are you running?
Just my two cents. But throw a front and rear sway on your TSX and try that corner again and share the results! lol
BTW, what 255's are you running?
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