padthai81

hey acurazine members. new to the acurazine community. just bought a :ecstatic 3rd gen type-s. was wondering if it already wasn't a thread but interested on lowering the car, not sure bet h&r or teins. read up on all the forums as far as proper way of doing it, ride height, shocks and so on. just wanted to know who's using what.

Bearcat94

+1 for H&R here.

Haven't run the Tein, but lots of people do, so there must be something to 'em.

Tien, H&R and Eibach all seem popular and you don't hear too many complaints about any of them.

therein60mins

H&R has a better drop to get rid of that sag in the front..... tein and eibach's are 1" all around

padthai81

so i guess im gettin the h&r race springs since the drop is more lower then the sport ones.

Distorted Reality

If you aren't planning on replacing the struts, I'd consider it. Only because those springs with that drop they give can premature wear the stock struts out faster. Easier to replace it all at once then have to go back later and replace the struts.

Bearcat94

I agree. Based on what I've read there is *risk* of premature shock wear with the Sports (or *any* moderate lowering spring). With the Race springs it's virtually guaranteed.

Also check around the forum for users with Race Springs. In general "Race" spings provide a pretty rough ride unless the roads are pretty smooth. Can't speak to H&R specifically, but you should ask around. There was a thread on it a few days ago.

ifirahse

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There are two types of Tein springs:
h.tech-1" drop
s.tech- 1.5"-2" drop

stillhere153

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tein is a bigger drop... but at the cost of a firmer ride

both are the same if you upgrade struts which in my opinion is a far better option

padthai81

ifirahse, so as far as h&r race springs and tein s.tech's. what you reccommend. i know you have the teins but have you had any problems, concerns, or regrets. going by your pics i don't see any complaints

ifirahse

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I haven't had the h&r's but I have no regrets with the teins.

i highly recommend getting koni yellow struts as well at the same time you get the springs though.

padthai81

well getting new struts are on my list. considering the fact my girlfriend is the manager at the acura dealership ill probably end up getting the a-spec struts with the tein s.techs for mad cheap. what you think

NJDEE

Just to add on to this conversation - I'm thinking about going with a complete a-spec suspension to replace my base TL suspension. But just out of curiosity - can the a-spec struts handle a drop on after market springs like H&R or Tein? If I plan at any time of going lower then what the a-spec does should I just go straight to aftermarket struts like Koni?

ifirahse

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Don't waste your money on the a-spec struts when you can get koni yellows for around the same price or even less.

MrHeeltoe

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Both are really very good actually. We have done a survey of all the different springs available for these cars and found them all to be of really good quality. It is more a matter of drop level and cost than quality.

Marcus

BrickCityCoolie

which would be a better buy for a better ride? the h&r sport springs,h&r racing spring spring or the tein s-tech?

eluzion

Do the rear springs tend to sag on Tiens?

MrHeeltoe

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I think you need to be a little more specific as I interpret this a couple different ways.

Do the rear springs sag? Sagging is a failure in quality of the spring where the coils fail to hold the weight of the car. Usually this is evidenced by more and more lowering over time. No Tein springs don't sag. They have a 1 year warrantee against sagging.

Do Tein springs lower the front of the car less than the rear making it look like the rear is sagging? No, Tein spring usually lower so that the tire gaps are the same front to rear. This usually means more lowering in the front than the rear, giving the car an aesthetic rake.

MrHeeltoe

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Not 100% sure on this one.

Htech and H&R sports are going to be similar, and Stech and H&R are going to be similar...

The more low = the more firm.

I also just put a set of progress in a 3G yesterday and the ride/drop is pretty favorable there as well.

Marcus

lawwailok

i just had some s-tech dropped 2 days ago. i like it! the rear is 0.1inch lower than front. but overall the TL looks a lot better!

post #103, i have pics there: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=184569&page=3


i ordered from MrHeelToe, thanks!

MrHeeltoe

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Looking really good!

ssmtl2nv

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FORGET ABOUT KONI'S, I sold my konis for tein ss coilovers, the ride on ss's is a million times better than shocks and struts......

eluzion

Hit the nail on the head.

I can't decide between the H&R Sports and Tein S-Tech. They both claim a similar drop but in every picture I see the S-Techs seem much lower.

ifirahse

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What about the performance? I got the Koni's over the tein ss because I was told that the konis are more performance oriented rather than comfort.

BrickCityCoolie

so which is a better buy for a nice dropped ride? the koni yellows with the h&r or the koni yellow with the tein s-tech?

eluzion

Well I just ordered the H&R Sports. I don't like how the Tien S-Techs sit lower in the rear.

BrickCityCoolie

so the h&r would be a nicer drop equal all around and the ride would be good? do you have rims on your car?

eluzion

Actually I take that back. Some pictures the Tien S-Techs look fine, in others it looks like the rear is just a hair lower. I guess it really depends on the whether or not they have a dead body in the trunk.

Either way, what I have noticed is the S-Techs sit slightly lower than the H&R Sports (based on pictures), but again whatever wheels you have will really make a difference (as far as how much wheel gap there is).

This is ililililiililil's car (hope you don't mind me using your picture) on H&R Sports and stock shocks (afaik). I think it's the perfect drop for a daily driver. Not too low, just right.



EDIT: His is the car on the right (right as in looking at the picture)

ifirahse

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Here is my car with s-techs and koni yellow shocks:

BrickCityCoolie

so basically there almost the same i think i would go with the h & r i mean there both the same price i just got a 05 tl non type-s and would like to drop it for now on spring until i get the koni yellows so i wanted to do research before i buy thanks for your help i hope i made the right decision.but being on the site for 3 days now i came across the koni yellow with h & r or the s - tech and i dont want to mess up the suspension so i guess the koni yellows would be the one to get the job done of riding low but having the same stock ride correct me if i am wrong?

BrickCityCoolie

so basically there almost the same i think i would go with the h & r i mean there both the same price i just got a 05 tl non type-s and would like to drop it for now on spring until i get the koni yellows so i wanted to do research before i buy thanks for your help i hope i made the right decision.but being on the site for 3 days now i came across the koni yellow with h & r or the s - tech and i dont want to mess up the suspension so i guess the koni yellows would be the one to get the job done of riding low but having the same stock ride correct me if i am wrong?

eluzion

Yeah they're really close in drop but the TEINs are slightly lower from what I've seen. Any drop is going to make your ride slightly more aggressive but with good shocks like Koni Yellows, it will help maintain that stock/comfortable ride. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Koni Yellows have different perch settings for the springs so you can +/- the ride height a little bit.

eluzion

Well I just canceled my order on the H&R Sports. I really want something slightly lower. I currently have the Eibach Pro Kit but the rear is lower than the front which I can't stand.

I might just bite the bullet and go with full coilovers since I'm not finding any springs that give me the drop I want on stock shocks. If I'm gonna go with Koni Yellows + springs, might as well go full coilovers I suppose.

ifirahse - Those Koni Yellows have adjustable perches for the height, yeah? If so, are you running them on the lowest?

ifirahse

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Yeah they're adjustable...

and yeah they're on the lowest.

eluzion

Nice. I think I might just do that -- order Koni Yellow's to compliment the Eibach Pro springs already on my car.

How do the adjustments work? From what I understand there's five different perch settings. Is the 3rd (middle perch) considered stock? How much lower is each perch?

jbrow117

Hmmm, obviously all these applications will vary depending on the vehicle used. The TL-S is already much stiffer OEM so how would you determine which application to replace TL-S suspensions?

fiore8072

i just ordered these H&R Street Performance Coil-Overs

http://www.acuratlparts.com/product.php?pid=4

how low should and could i go? i have 18's

comments, suggestions, opinions

jbrow117

Hmmm, I'm still confused about which coilovers to use? H&R, Tein or Eibach which aren't even mentioned here?

powerflow

Do a search on coilover kits. Plethora of good threads out there, this one is primarily only about the spring kits.

MrHeeltoe

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Performance orietented people say that because they tend to be more track people and they in general have a bias against popular street items, such as Teins. Seen it repeatedly on honda-tech.

Konis are claimed to be better because wider dampening adjustment range. What people fail to realize is that Konis are replacement shocks designed to work with a wide variety of springs. Tein coilovers come with springs so the shocks are designed to work with those. The Tein adjustment allows for fine tuning while the Koni adjustment allows for flexibility in spring choice. That's the biggest difference I can see.

For quality both are sure bets.

Marcus