mmade22

It's called a Hunter Alignment machine. Most new Firestone shops are using them now.

upnout

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doing mine soon, making sure I can find this thread quickly
great info

TheDingo

Look for a place that has a Hunter alignment machine. Very precise, and they can jack up the front of the vehicle while it's on the alignment machine. This is helpful when you have a front camber kit. I have the Ingall's front camber kit, and you cannot get to the adjusting screws without lifting the car a bit. Luckily I'm friends with a guy that works in a tire shop and knows how to align the car properly. Best bet if you're taking to people you do not know is to go talk to the tech face to face. With the Ingall's front camber kit, it's not pressed in to where it will not move when adjusting the top bolt (since it's a lock nut).. so it can be a bitch to adjust and almost requires two people but not necessary.

Overall I am pleased with the ease of installation on both the front and rear Ingalls camber kits... especially the rear. They certainly get the job done correctly.

One more thing.. when you're installing the front kit. USE THE BALL JOINT PRESS (just like the one that OP is using in the pictures)! Air gun makes this process even better.

05_NBP_TL

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Seems everyone is going with the ingalls adjustable ball joint.

Has anyone used the skunk2 a-arms camber kit?

Is one better than the other?

Will be lowered around 2"- 2 1/4"

Slpr04UA6

^yes I am running the Skunk2 camber arms up front. They work very well, and I believe the only advantage is more (camber) adjustability/maybe ease of adjustability(?).My Allignment guy was very happy with the ease of adjustment. I use them to get front camber in spec, not for extreme camber, although you can get them modified for more extreme camber.

TheDingo

If I could do it again, I would get the Skunk2 spindle arms instead of the pieces that replace the upper ball joint in the stock spindle. I have no complaints with the Ingalls, but the skunk2 set up seems easier to adjust and harder to knock out of spec since it's the whole spindle and not just a replacement for the UBJ.

rockstar143

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There was a huge difference in price to go with the skunk2's or else I would have too...actually, the forum member I bought the ingalls from was selling them to GET the skunks...I got a killer deal.

SharksBreath

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^i'm in the market for a front kit as well, want to dial in some negative camber so i don't keep rubbing up front on turns/inclines/dips.

skunk seems to be the best choice but they're so expensive. $250 for a set blows my mind.

rockstar143

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I think I paid the guy $110 shipped or so for the fronts. Can go either +3 camber to correct, or put it in backward and do -3 to add negative.

SharksBreath

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^and you didn't have any issues installing them or regret not buying the skunk arms?

rockstar143

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No sir...not one bit. I was trying to bring it close to zero though...not add negative camber (FYI).

I actually had some BS Jpower ones from ebay before...TOTAL knockoffs of the ingalls (once I received them i knew). I changed out the rears to SPC upper good quality camber arm so wanted the fronts to be a quality kit too. No regrets whatsoever. As far as easy to adjust...honestly, if you pop the upper control arm out and pull the whole arm down you can tighten it down really well with a 27MM wrench (which I bought JUST for this) and it's easy to see the setting you're tightening down to to do the same on both sides. I ended up pretty close to zero just eyeballing it.

TheDingo

You'll be happy with the Ingalls front camber kit, but the skunk2 set up is more $ because it's better IMO. I don't regret putting the Ingalls kit on my car, but if I could do it again I would shell out the extra cash for the whole spindle.

rockstar143

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^^^I agree other than spending the extra 150 bucks on it...to me, it's not worth the difference to go with the whole upper control arm camber kit. UNLESS, I needed to replace it anyway. Otherwise, the spindle type was just fine for me.

TheDingo

^ rockstar, where you located in FL? I'm in Tampa bay.

Horditruck

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For the rear kit did all of you guys get the http://www.heeltoeauto.com/ingalls-c...ide-38725.html or did any of you guys get the http://www.heeltoeauto.com/spc-adjus...090-67095.html ? What is the difference?

rockstar143

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Dingo, I'm in Pembroke Pines...in Broward.

Originally, I had put on a cheap ebay 2 armed lower camber kit. Aside from having questionable bushings...I never liked the idea of pulling in the tire from the bottom to correct camber. I ended up swapping out to the 2nd link...the SPC upper arm adjustment. Now, if you're trying to go flush, you would likely want to keep the bottom part of the wheel as wide as possible and then correct camber from the top until you are as close to fender as possible.

TheDingo

dang, yeah that's a bit far!

rockstar143

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No way dude...TAMPA is far!


I once made that drive (my sister lived in Lithia for a while...) in 2 hours and 25 minutes in my old RSX. I was outta my mind.

05_NBP_TL

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Never thought about it that way...I am planning on running 19x9.5 +22/+25 range.

Wouldn't it be better to get the spc top camber arm?
(ie: better wheel fitment? ) Will this kit require more camber since the wheel is still sitting wider at the bottom.

The question I have is will the ingalls bring the bottom of the tire in to adjust camber?

I'm a nood on fitment w/ camber

TheDingo

The unit (like the skunk2) that consists of the whole spindle arm with built in adjustment is a better unit than the ingalls (IMO). That being said, the ingalls kit is adjustable just like the unit that consists of the whole spindle arm. Therefore it will adjust camber just like any other product out there, and for less money.

Your wheels will fit just fine w/ the ingalls kit.

ABP_04TL

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So u guys would recommend the Ingalls? Ive heard from sum1 ingalls making a dent next to the top hats inside the engine bay.. Help me on this since im lookin into buyin them for my car

05_NBP_TL

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Thanks Dingo....Im going with Ingalls up front.

My post above was kinda off topic for this thread, but I was referring to the rear camber kit that rockstar posted about.

Wouldn't it give a better fitment in the rear if I adjusted camber from the top of the tire? with the SPC upper arm kit?

Would I still need anything else to correct the toe angle.
SPC kit is only 1 peice, whereas ingalls rear kit is two pieces

rockstar143

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Well, I was running a 235 tire on a 19 by 9" wheel with a +45 offset with a 20MM spacer so total of +25 offset. I did roll fender though. I ended up putting the +35 tire on the back and putting in the 1 arm upper kit and flushing out the wheel that way and removing the 20mm spacer. Camber raises and lowers the vehicle too so keep that in mind.

IMO, get your rims put on, get your suspension set where you want it and then decide on whether or not you'll roll fender and if you have the room to make the camber adjustment from the top rather than the bottom. Also, TOE is corrected with oem bolt on the car...you don't need anything else.

Hey hey hey...what's all this "unit" talk...

If you're denting your engine bay you are SUPER slammed...AND, I believe that's either CL OR 2G TL...not 3G. Assumed you guys were all 3G's.

stepuptata

i have 07 S with basic tein coilovers. I have severe inner wear on front and rear. Tires are loud hopefully I can still save the tires by installing these. What is the best price website to purchase?
Thanks

stepuptata

I have 2007 S
35590 for front the right part number?
Rear part number?
Skunk part numbers?
Thanks....

TheDingo

I agree with unit Rockstar, your unit needs to be extremely slammed in order to be denting the top hat unit with your ingalls front camber kit unit.

^ rockstar, you like that? lol

Also, whoever was asking about the Ingalls rear camber kit, it is fucking awesome. The two arms make it SUPER easy to adjust toe and camber. I highly recommend that kit to anyone looking to put their rear camber in to spec.

TLDude876

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Figure I'd bump this thread instead of starting a new one. Looking at the above pic, does the longer tube replace the arm that is closer to the rear of the vehicle (shown in the foreground of pic)? Also I was reading the instructions from ingalls and it said the RH (right hand) ends have the black washer. My questions is, does that mean for the install on the left side, will the black washer be on the end that is furthest from the wheel?

JoeTL'81

As long as you assemble the camber kit according to the instructions you should be ok. I just installed mine on the weekend. The bushing width is different on the longer arm from the shorter arm so you can’t mix it up. RH (right hand) means right hand thread, since one end of the bar is right hand thread and the other is left hand thread. It really does not matter, but just so it looks nice put all the shiny nut side towards the inside of the car. (Just like on the picture)

TLDude876

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There is a lengthy story behind my install (over a year and a half) and I am going to double check everything. Are the bars themselves without bushings the same length? So all the black nuts face the outer section of the vehicle?

TLDude876

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Well nvm this, I think I found the answer

rockstar143

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I'd like to hear the lengthy story at this point...

TLDude876

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If you insist. When I bought springs, I bought 2 sets of Ingalls (one required for each side). Dropped the car off for an alignment at my mechanic and told him to use the kits if necessary. I am assuming he mixed up all four arms from the kits and only used 2 arms (1 on each side) to replace the stock arms that were in the background position(using above pic). Since I thought all the arms were the same length and he used only 1 kit, I sold the other( now that I look at it, was a bad sale since there were two short arms). I then got coilovers and got another kit since I was going to be much lower. When I got that kit, I just slapped one arm on one side and one on the other. So after all that is done, I have one short and one long arm in the rear(foreground in pic) and 2 longs arms to the front (background of pic). My new alignment guy was always able to get TOE in spec but it always bugs me why the camber on both sides could never be the same. Now it all makes sense. I think I'll just get a set of SPC upper arms, reinstall stock arms and sell 1 set of Ingalls in the BM.

TLDude876

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Now I have searched a couple threads and it seems both kits have their advantage/disadvantage. So do I spend around $70 for another ingalls kit or do I spend $150 for new spc arms

rockstar143

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you ALREADY know my opinion on it!
This is actually the perfect scenario to support my decision to do this sort of work myself!

MAIN disadvantage is that since you're working with the top of the tire...if clearance to fender is an issue, you're not going to have much space to add camber to get back within spec. That's why I have the fenders rolled and 225 tires...

TLDude876

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Went with the ingalls kit, only $30 after using my amazon rewards points. Found a member on here that has a speed shop that does alignment for $40

rockstar143

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Congrats, man...let us know how all turns out.

Silverstacker1

I am getting the rear lower arms replaced with the Ingalls kit. It looks like you just unbolt each end and replace the stock arms with the Ingalls. Am I over simplifying this, or is it that easy? Obviously when I am done I will take it to an alignment shop to get it straight. I am getting my TL lowered this week and would like to get the camber kit on shortly there after. Thanks!

GetLikeMe_TypeS

I been reading up on this and i have another question. If i am gonna get front camber what option is better the SKUNK pro series plus or the INGALLS. and once camber is on what should be the alignments all around???

ebelp

^The install of the Skunk2 kit is much easier than the Ingalls. I have a diy thread outlinjng the install in this forum somewhere. Let an alignment shop decide what the best specs are for your car after you get it installed.

Xtr3m3st

@mmade22 where did you get your front and rear camber kit please let me know and how much as I just dropped my TL about 2.5 inches all around and need camber kits bad thanks in advance.