Kro

On my way to work today I was stopped next to base '08 and I swear it rides lower (especially in the front) than my '08 Type S. I had thought maybe I had noticed this before, but today I got such a good long look I am almost sure of it. I find this very annoying, as my car cost more yet I would need to invest in a suspension to achieve the same look. My suspension is probably better, but his looks tighter. Anyone know for sure? Thanks

myron

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maybe he was more fat then you?

maharajamd

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LOL! This is the reason I don't like the majority of TYPE-S owners. You are so full of yourselves. "my car cost more" "my suspension is better". First off, cost doesn't mean shit. How much does a stock type-s suspension cost? How much does a Koni/Eibach setup cost? Bet the stock costs more, does that mean it's better? Hell no. For all you know this guy put a suspension on his base vehicle that cost less then yours and is now, quite simply, "better".

This funny enough is one of the reasons I'm glad I drive a modified base. Because all the type-s owners can suck a big one when my cheaper yet better car beats them in every way minus the nice headlights and chrome grille LOL.

rockstar143

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I noticed the same thing at the dealership when I first picked up my 04 TL Aspec...I thought the newer base models looked like they had a better stance. What I think happens is that since the back isn't as low as a type S the front points down more and looks lower.

bukjoe15

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I agree but we dont have to hate
I notice the same thing on the high way

Kro

Holy sh!t, dude....chill out. My point was if I'm paying more money, I would like better stuff. Even if its just aesthetically "better." And perhaps I should include that this guy was about 50yrs old, looked like a huge nerd, had his even older looking wife with him, and hadn't the slightest other mods in any other way. I'm willing to lay down everything I have that he didnt put a suspension on his car. And it was just a question, you fcking dbag. Ahem, sorry. That last part just slipped out.

Kro

Good idea, but I dont think so. I have a good eye for measurements and such, and even while completely stopped, he had no more than a 2 finger gap at the most. Mine is 3 fingers in the front. Then I thought maybe his car has settled more than mine, but it was an '08 base, so thats not likely.

Kro

Anyone else besides Majarajamd wishing to rip on me go ahead. I dont pretend to be a badass know-it-all car guy. I just like my TL thats all.

Majara, you are awesome btw. Thats so cool how you beat type S TL's and you have a base model. I'm going to search wikipedia now to learn more about you and your inspiring story.

maharajamd

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Sorry I had a bit of a rant there. I just hear that type of crap every damn day and it gets old. I hear the same type of crap from PC users, as I use Macs.

So forgive me for going off, just a bit of backed up aggression there

Kro

Sorry...last comment before returning to work....would anyone even disagree that the type S suspension is better than the base? It was my understanding that is one of the upgrades. My comment was meant matter-of-fact....not condescending. Ok, now to wikipedia.

princelybug

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The Type-S suspension is setup to be more aggressive/performance oriented, compared to the base TL suspension.

77donovan77

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......freedom of speech, or just ones opinion

rockstar143

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Also, a bubblier tire (like a 17") would give the illusion of less finger gap. I'm telling you...the back being a bit lower on the type S, essentially pointing the nose up a bit AND lower profile tires could end up with an extra finger. I'm sure the base won't handle as well as yours.

I can tell you all this because I TOILED over this in my own car with the supposedly LOWER Aspec suspension. Couldn't figure out why bone stock other TL's looked more aggressive and had a better stance. Either way, I bit the bullet and went with Tein SS's so I can get it how i LOVE it and NO REGRETS HERE!

EDIT:

Also, color of car make the gap much more apparent...since you have a white car the difference between that and the black in the wheel well and the tire itself are alot more obvious than on a black car. Trust me...the PERFECT drop has been my goal on my last 4 cars.

maharajamd

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No no, don't get me wrong, the type-s suspension is an upgrade over base, slightly lower, slightly more stiff. No question there.

rockstar143

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I think that's what he's taken issue with, the fact that it doesn't LOOK lower than the base.

Kro

Yes, that is correct. Strictly talking appearance here. Next time I see one parked (with no one in it) I'm gonna give her the ol' finger test. Sounds dirty.

6spdtl-s

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lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

godizus

6spdtl-s

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My stock 05 base is about 3 fingers, but wasnt the base suspension revised in 07? Or so I've heard...

Ramrodthrusterpuppy

Wow....try decaf.

Kro

All I know is the every time I see a base 08 on the road I think the ride height looks perfect. And today upon close (stopped) examination I became convinced its dif than my car. I know thats not low enough for many people on this site but I like the look of SOME gap. I think 2 fingers is perfect. My car is 2 in back and 3 in front. And that bugs me quite a bit but I dont know about spending a G to drop 1 finger in the front. I dont want to just use springs. But maybe for the small amount of drop I desire just springs for the front are not a bad idea. Soooo anyone selling 2 springs? LOL

luckyAKAhappy

OP...did you actually go to the other car and insert how many fingers you can fit in between the wheelwell? Your mind is most likely playing tricks on you since you paid more for your car and your car is not as good looking. Deep inside, you're regretting your purchase because you got those ugly honeycomb wheels, don't have the red and white tail lights, don't have the rear red side markers, the aspec kit is not as good looking for the type-s and so on.

Or the car you saw was sagging due to the 2 fat people in the front seat.

Kro

LOL. The woman was kinda fat I think. I will find out if its my eyes or not. I def do not have any buyers remorse for type S tho. I dont love the wheels on EITHER car, I just ordered some 19" hiro's last week...not coming in til June tho....Axis temp out of stock of hypersilver? And I prefer my taillights over the base. Base are nice too tho. I agree with you about the aspec kit, but I wouldn't put that on my car anyway.

maharajamd

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Listen people, I apologized, don't keep dragging it on.

I merely said my base will beat your type-s on the fact that if I took the extra 10K I saved on a base and "spent" the money you did, yes, I would undoubtedly beat you.

I don't start threads with "my car cost more" or "its peforms better but his looks better and it annoys me". It would be "so listen, saw a base tl the other day and it sat lower then my type-s. Should or should not my type-s be lower then the base?".....All I'm sayin.

PS. This debate goes on and on and on and on.

maharajamd

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Oh, and to actually answer the question. I'd say it's all about the sidewall. He probably had non-stock tires and it changes the way the wheel gaps look.

Kro

I am never starting another thread ever. I know what you are all thinking...."thank you." Its been fun tho. Back to my ninja mode. = )

Ramrodthrusterpuppy

Not to belabour the point but actually, what you said was...
Which is a tad more obnoxious that what you more politely stated above. Clearly a case of "Think before you post."

Play on.

TLAdvanced

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Ummmm, I don't know where you got your numbers from but a Type-S was only $2K more than a base navi...

TypeSblkura

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i think he's just trying to justify his purchase of a base model over a type-S...lol

chgoTOM

Just because his car sat lower doesnt mean it was better. maybe he had cheap suspension parts to get that look? who knows.

chgoTOM

maybe she had lower profile tires... i got low profile on my stock rims, base 04 w/ nav, car looks lower

aceman4

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Damn Type S owners are out of control...lol.

1fsthatch

type s is sexier stock but comeon whos stock here

dchian

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I'm curious then. If the 07-08 rides almost an inch lower than the 04-06's, and the aspec kit lowers the 04-06's by almost an inch, would the aspec kit then be an almost negligible change for a 07-08 base navi?

I want a stiffer setup, but want to remain at stock height. The other option may be to get a TL-S takeoff, which I'm surprised isn't talked about much.

CocheseUGA

Which got eaten by buying the Mac.

luckyAKAhappy

Nice pickup. I would love those wheels. I'll take your ugly honeycomb wheels off your hands when you get the Hiro's.

rockstar143

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if there were 2 people in the car, it may have caused the look. I've watched as passengers get in my car and it's a half in drop for each one!

Bearcat94

Especially in the '07/'08. The '07/'08 base softened up the suspension quite a bit.

I wonder if the softer springs let the car settle a little bit more?

I know according to specs, ground clearance is the same, so it's got to be how the body sits on suspension.





Oops, almost forgot: {Insert Type-S FTW comment here}



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DNPhotography

this statement sounds so immature. also you spend 10K too much then...

this is true.

Kro

I appreciate the offer but I need the stockies for Chicago winters. I plan on keeping my TL for about 8 yrs so I gotz to keep my rims all pretty that whole time. Can't wait til June!