Checking My Ideas on Tire, Wheel, Suspension Refresh (8.5 A-Specs, Drop, Wide Rubber)

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Old 02-25-2016 | 11:05 AM
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Checking My Ideas on Tire, Wheel, Suspension Refresh (8.5 A-Specs, Drop, Wide Rubber)

So after reading most of the over sized tire threads, flush fitment threads, and lowering threads I believe I've gotten things narrowed down but have questions...

This is what I'm starting with:
-'07 TL-S (114k)
-Stock. Boring, gappy, stock.

Here is what I am looking for:

-Eliminate (or reduce) wheel gap
-Push wheel/tire closer to flush with fender
-Retain ride quality (as close to stock as possible)
-Wider than 235's for grip, looks, and wheel protection.

Here is what I think will achieve this:

-Wheels: 18x8.5 A-Specs (already secured)
-Spacers: 15mm F, 20mm R
-Suspension: A-Spec, or H-Tech Springs w/undecided shocks
-Tires: 255/40


Questions/Doubts
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I had considered 265/35, and I love the look, however I'm not sure about rubbing. Some owners have posted that the drop from either spring will not induce rubbing, some have. I was also thinking the 265 width may make spacers unnecessary, as they would bring the tire's edge closer to flush with the fender

I'm up for fender rolling, though I'd prefer no to.

The wheels will be switched for stock waffles for the winter, I don't see any fitment problems but will there be other issues?

Coil overs seem like overkill for what I'm trying to do, correct? Also, have heard all have more harsh ride than stock.

I quite like CLtotheTL32 's setup seen here https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post13501642 . He is on S-Techs I believe, and fit 235's fine and 245's with slight rear rubbing. I'm hoping A-spec or H-Tech leave enough room for 255's.


Anything else to consider?
Old 02-25-2016 | 12:06 PM
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First, why would you want to put a 265 on an 8.5? 245 is the correct size, and 255 is bulging, let alone a 265.

Second, a 265 will not fit regardless of the suspension, as it's rubbing on the OUTSIDE, not the inside.

I run a 9.5 +40 with a 265 and have very little room, almost a whisper gap. You're looking at 2.3mm outboard from me and a bulging tire.

245 with a roll on the rear is where it ends, unless you want to get smaller spacers, which will look pretty weird (IMO) with your wheel inboard and your tires nearly rubbing.
Old 02-25-2016 | 12:10 PM
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Oh, one more thing. If you want to get camber adjusters front and rear, what you want can be done, but you're going to probably need more than -1.5° up front, and -2.5° in the rear.
Old 02-25-2016 | 12:31 PM
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265 would be pushing it. 255 fit fine on 8.5

I think the slight bulge in Inaccurate's setup would be taken up by the extra .5"
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...m-rims-595122/

Wheels: Wheel 1 Wheel 2
Wheel size 18x8.5 ET 45 18x8.5 ET 45
BackSpace 165 mm (6.5'') 165 mm (6.5'')
Typical Weight ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg
Tires: Tire 1 Tire 2
Tire size 245/40-18 265/35-18
Section width 245 mm (9.6'') 265 mm (10.4'')
Sidewall 98 mm (3.9'') 93 mm (3.7'')
Tire diameter 653 mm (25.7'') 643 mm (25.3'')
10 mm (1.5%) shorter.
Rim sizes 18x7 to 18x9 18x8 to 18x10



265 won't fit regardless of suspension with spacers? True. 265 on any drop? Not sure. 265 on stock? Most definitely.
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...t-done-626278/

Here's some 255/40 on 2" drop with 20/15mm spacers. Granted it's 17", and so a smaller diameter but then it's a lower drop. I think a more conservative drop on 18's would take a 255. Yes/no?
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post14338220
Old 02-25-2016 | 12:36 PM
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Oh, one more thing. If you want to get camber adjusters front and rear, what you want can be done, but you're going to probably need more than -1.5° up front, and -2.5° in the rear.
Is that calculating 255 with +25? I know I don't want anything too aggressive as far as neg camber goes. Not the look, or setup I prefer.
Old 02-25-2016 | 12:41 PM
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Every TL on earth gains a different amount of negative camber when dropped, and they are all dropped a different amount. This is the secret to the perfect fitment, getting the camber right. If you get camber adjustments F&R you can do almost anything, 18 x 10 +50 will fit perfectly with a 275...but it's all about the camber.

I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
Old 02-25-2016 | 01:01 PM
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This rear wheel/tire/offset is less aggressive than mine, and yet it sits closer to the outside. The reason? Camber.

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Oh, and let me give you the link to a handy tool, I use it daily.

Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit

Once you know a standard for a large size that will fit, say my 18 x 9.5 +40 with 265/35, then you can just plug whatever into the bottom and get the answers you need.
Old 02-25-2016 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by VisualEchos
Oh, and let me give you the link to a handy tool, I use it daily.

Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit
Great tool! I use it in conjunction with these:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com

I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex.Leslie
Great tool! I use it in conjunction with these:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com

I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
Wow, that second link!!
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Old 02-25-2016 | 01:49 PM
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Don't get a-spec suspension. You will be upset $800 later for a quarter inch drop. and springs I wouldn't get either as you have 114k on your (I'm assuming) stock suspension which your suspension components are usually in need of replacement parts after 100k. Not to mention no control of ride height. I would look into getting tein SA coils. you can adjust damper settings to exactly your preference for ride comfort and adjust your ride height to EXACTLY where you want it to be.
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i would look into getting tein sa coils. You can adjust damper settings to exactly your preference for ride comfort and adjust your ride height to exactly where you want it to be.
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Old 02-25-2016 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex.Leslie
Great tool! I use it in conjunction with these:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com

I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
Yes! I use the Tacoma World and this: Custom rims, wheel tire packages for your ride - RIMSnTIRES.com very similar to your second link, though yours has better aesthetics and more features! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Trav2390
Don't get a-spec suspension. You will be upset $800 later for a quarter inch drop. and springs I wouldn't get either as you have 114k on your (I'm assuming) stock suspension which your suspension components are usually in need of replacement parts after 100k. Not to mention no control of ride height. I would look into getting tein SA coils. you can adjust damper settings to exactly your preference for ride comfort and adjust your ride height to EXACTLY where you want it to be.
I've found the suspension for around $600, but yes, this a concern. Spot on with your assumptions. I suppose I've only done superficial research into coils as the first few reviews I read indicated ride is always rougher. Guess my mistake there was accepting an absolute.


Originally Posted by VisualEchos
Every TL on earth gains a different amount of negative camber when dropped, and they are all dropped a different amount. This is the secret to the perfect fitment, getting the camber right. If you get camber adjustments F&R you can do almost anything, 18 x 10 +50 will fit perfectly with a 275...but it's all about the camber.

I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
I had been optimistic when reading the https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...er-kit-606757/ post. Though having more control is obviously desirable.

I'm open to giving up some things for greater simplicity. I'm not trying to become a "fitment king" with this car by any means. It's just time for a refresh and would like an altered look while I'm in there.
Old 02-25-2016 | 06:12 PM
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I'm open to giving up some things for greater simplicity. I'm not trying to become a "fitment king" with this car by any means. It's just time for a refresh and would like an altered look while I'm in there.
I understand that you're not be trying to be a fitment king, but in your own research you can see that you're pushing the limits with a 265, and as a consequence you're going to need to do more work to make it fit properly. From having a 235/245/255/265 on my TL with various wheels, spacers, and drops, I can tell you that you're not going to get lucky, something won't work somewhere with the 265.

The 245 looks fantastic on the 8.5, and is a plug and play with the spacers you want, no camber kits, nothing, but if you want the 265 you're going to have to work a bit for it.
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Quick question regarding spacers. I've read that it can put more stress on other components of the suspension/hubs. Is this correct? I will be mounting some A-Specs (18x8) in the future, and am lowered just under two inches. I have no rear camber kit at the moment (did have Ingalls but bushings were crap after a few thousand miles). I have a front SPC camber kit as well, and plan to buy rear SPC shortly. Would like to get the 255/40 for the A-Specs but may end up with the 245/40. Just curious, as to everyone's thoughts on spacers.

Ideally, I would love to have a different offset on the A-specs but that obviously isn't an option.
Old 02-26-2016 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Slpr04UA6
Quick question regarding spacers. I've read that it can put more stress on other components of the suspension/hubs. Is this correct?
Pushing the wheel further outboard will always create more stress on the wheel bearing, no possible way around it. As long as you're good with replacing wheel bearings earlier than you normally would, you should be fine. How early? It's different for everyone, and depends on a lot of factors, so I'd say don't worry about it. I'm unaware of any other component is worn out quicker by changing offset, maybe one of the suspension guru's can chime in here.
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Old 02-26-2016 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VisualEchos
I understand that you're not be trying to be a fitment king, but in your own research you can see that you're pushing the limits with a 265, and as a consequence you're going to need to do more work to make it fit properly. From having a 235/245/255/265 on my TL with various wheels, spacers, and drops, I can tell you that you're not going to get lucky, something won't work somewhere with the 265.

The 245 looks fantastic on the 8.5, and is a plug and play with the spacers you want, no camber kits, nothing, but if you want the 265 you're going to have to work a bit for it.
Right, that's a reason why I had decided on the 255. The wheels are currently shod with 245, so I can assembly those with what I'm looking at (maybe with coils now) and test fit 255's at a tire shop.
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My rear fenders were rolled and I occasionally rubbed with 245s running -1.2 degrees of camber. The rubbing went away once 235s were mounted, but I kept the alignment the same to ensure the rubbing wouldn't return.

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Old 02-27-2016 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CLtotheTL32


My rear fenders were rolled and I occasionally rubbed with 245s running -1.2 degrees of camber. The rubbing went away once 235s were mounted, but I kept the alignment the same to ensure the rubbing wouldn't return.

Looked awesome! But you could have gone -1.5° and probably had no rubbing at all, and still would have been within spec. Can't argue with that fitment though, beautiful!
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Originally Posted by VisualEchos
This rear wheel/tire/offset is less aggressive than mine, and yet it sits closer to the outside. The reason? Camber.



How did you get the paint to look that clean?
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Ever heard of spit-shine? He haz it. lol
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How did you get the paint to look that clean?
Photography magic

That picture was taken soon after a full paint correction around 5 years ago. It was never perfect but I took pride in keeping it clean.




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