Checking My Ideas on Tire, Wheel, Suspension Refresh (8.5 A-Specs, Drop, Wide Rubber)
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Checking My Ideas on Tire, Wheel, Suspension Refresh (8.5 A-Specs, Drop, Wide Rubber)
So after reading most of the over sized tire threads, flush fitment threads, and lowering threads I believe I've gotten things narrowed down but have questions...
This is what I'm starting with:
-'07 TL-S (114k)
-Stock. Boring, gappy, stock.
Here is what I am looking for:
-Eliminate (or reduce) wheel gap
-Push wheel/tire closer to flush with fender
-Retain ride quality (as close to stock as possible)
-Wider than 235's for grip, looks, and wheel protection.
Here is what I think will achieve this:
-Wheels: 18x8.5 A-Specs (already secured)
-Spacers: 15mm F, 20mm R
-Suspension: A-Spec, or H-Tech Springs w/undecided shocks
-Tires: 255/40
Questions/Doubts:
I had considered 265/35, and I love the look, however I'm not sure about rubbing. Some owners have posted that the drop from either spring will not induce rubbing, some have. I was also thinking the 265 width may make spacers unnecessary, as they would bring the tire's edge closer to flush with the fender
I'm up for fender rolling, though I'd prefer no to.
The wheels will be switched for stock waffles for the winter, I don't see any fitment problems but will there be other issues?
Coil overs seem like overkill for what I'm trying to do, correct? Also, have heard all have more harsh ride than stock.
I quite like CLtotheTL32 's setup seen here https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post13501642 . He is on S-Techs I believe, and fit 235's fine and 245's with slight rear rubbing. I'm hoping A-spec or H-Tech leave enough room for 255's.
Anything else to consider?
This is what I'm starting with:
-'07 TL-S (114k)
-Stock. Boring, gappy, stock.
Here is what I am looking for:
-Eliminate (or reduce) wheel gap
-Push wheel/tire closer to flush with fender
-Retain ride quality (as close to stock as possible)
-Wider than 235's for grip, looks, and wheel protection.
Here is what I think will achieve this:
-Wheels: 18x8.5 A-Specs (already secured)
-Spacers: 15mm F, 20mm R
-Suspension: A-Spec, or H-Tech Springs w/undecided shocks
-Tires: 255/40
Questions/Doubts:
I had considered 265/35, and I love the look, however I'm not sure about rubbing. Some owners have posted that the drop from either spring will not induce rubbing, some have. I was also thinking the 265 width may make spacers unnecessary, as they would bring the tire's edge closer to flush with the fender
I'm up for fender rolling, though I'd prefer no to.
The wheels will be switched for stock waffles for the winter, I don't see any fitment problems but will there be other issues?
Coil overs seem like overkill for what I'm trying to do, correct? Also, have heard all have more harsh ride than stock.
I quite like CLtotheTL32 's setup seen here https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post13501642 . He is on S-Techs I believe, and fit 235's fine and 245's with slight rear rubbing. I'm hoping A-spec or H-Tech leave enough room for 255's.
Anything else to consider?
#2
First, why would you want to put a 265 on an 8.5? 245 is the correct size, and 255 is bulging, let alone a 265.
Second, a 265 will not fit regardless of the suspension, as it's rubbing on the OUTSIDE, not the inside.
I run a 9.5 +40 with a 265 and have very little room, almost a whisper gap. You're looking at 2.3mm outboard from me and a bulging tire.
245 with a roll on the rear is where it ends, unless you want to get smaller spacers, which will look pretty weird (IMO) with your wheel inboard and your tires nearly rubbing.
Second, a 265 will not fit regardless of the suspension, as it's rubbing on the OUTSIDE, not the inside.
I run a 9.5 +40 with a 265 and have very little room, almost a whisper gap. You're looking at 2.3mm outboard from me and a bulging tire.
245 with a roll on the rear is where it ends, unless you want to get smaller spacers, which will look pretty weird (IMO) with your wheel inboard and your tires nearly rubbing.
#4
265 would be pushing it. 255 fit fine on 8.5
I think the slight bulge in Inaccurate's setup would be taken up by the extra .5"
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...m-rims-595122/
Wheels: Wheel 1 Wheel 2
Wheel size 18x8.5 ET 45 18x8.5 ET 45
BackSpace 165 mm (6.5'') 165 mm (6.5'')
Typical Weight ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg
Tires: Tire 1 Tire 2
Tire size 245/40-18 265/35-18
Section width 245 mm (9.6'') 265 mm (10.4'')
Sidewall 98 mm (3.9'') 93 mm (3.7'')
Tire diameter 653 mm (25.7'') 643 mm (25.3'')
10 mm (1.5%) shorter.
Rim sizes 18x7 to 18x9 18x8 to 18x10
265 won't fit regardless of suspension with spacers? True. 265 on any drop? Not sure. 265 on stock? Most definitely.
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...t-done-626278/
Here's some 255/40 on 2" drop with 20/15mm spacers. Granted it's 17", and so a smaller diameter but then it's a lower drop. I think a more conservative drop on 18's would take a 255. Yes/no?
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post14338220
I think the slight bulge in Inaccurate's setup would be taken up by the extra .5"
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...m-rims-595122/
Wheels: Wheel 1 Wheel 2
Wheel size 18x8.5 ET 45 18x8.5 ET 45
BackSpace 165 mm (6.5'') 165 mm (6.5'')
Typical Weight ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg ~ 28 lbs / 13 kg
Tires: Tire 1 Tire 2
Tire size 245/40-18 265/35-18
Section width 245 mm (9.6'') 265 mm (10.4'')
Sidewall 98 mm (3.9'') 93 mm (3.7'')
Tire diameter 653 mm (25.7'') 643 mm (25.3'')
10 mm (1.5%) shorter.
Rim sizes 18x7 to 18x9 18x8 to 18x10
265 won't fit regardless of suspension with spacers? True. 265 on any drop? Not sure. 265 on stock? Most definitely.
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...t-done-626278/
Here's some 255/40 on 2" drop with 20/15mm spacers. Granted it's 17", and so a smaller diameter but then it's a lower drop. I think a more conservative drop on 18's would take a 255. Yes/no?
https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w.../#post14338220
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Is that calculating 255 with +25? I know I don't want anything too aggressive as far as neg camber goes. Not the look, or setup I prefer.
#6
Every TL on earth gains a different amount of negative camber when dropped, and they are all dropped a different amount. This is the secret to the perfect fitment, getting the camber right. If you get camber adjustments F&R you can do almost anything, 18 x 10 +50 will fit perfectly with a 275...but it's all about the camber.
I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
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#8
Oh, and let me give you the link to a handy tool, I use it daily.
Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit
Once you know a standard for a large size that will fit, say my 18 x 9.5 +40 with 265/35, then you can just plug whatever into the bottom and get the answers you need.
Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit
Once you know a standard for a large size that will fit, say my 18 x 9.5 +40 with 265/35, then you can just plug whatever into the bottom and get the answers you need.
#9
Oh, and let me give you the link to a handy tool, I use it daily.
Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit
Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com
I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
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#10
Great tool! I use it in conjunction with these:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com
I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com
I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
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#11
Don't get a-spec suspension. You will be upset $800 later for a quarter inch drop. and springs I wouldn't get either as you have 114k on your (I'm assuming) stock suspension which your suspension components are usually in need of replacement parts after 100k. Not to mention no control of ride height. I would look into getting tein SA coils. you can adjust damper settings to exactly your preference for ride comfort and adjust your ride height to EXACTLY where you want it to be.
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#13
Great tool! I use it in conjunction with these:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com
I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc
and
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com
I like being able to visualize the changes from different angles, and these tools are great for that. Good luck!
Don't get a-spec suspension. You will be upset $800 later for a quarter inch drop. and springs I wouldn't get either as you have 114k on your (I'm assuming) stock suspension which your suspension components are usually in need of replacement parts after 100k. Not to mention no control of ride height. I would look into getting tein SA coils. you can adjust damper settings to exactly your preference for ride comfort and adjust your ride height to EXACTLY where you want it to be.
Every TL on earth gains a different amount of negative camber when dropped, and they are all dropped a different amount. This is the secret to the perfect fitment, getting the camber right. If you get camber adjustments F&R you can do almost anything, 18 x 10 +50 will fit perfectly with a 275...but it's all about the camber.
I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
I have -1.5° front and rear, and I'm whisper close with my 265's. Back when I had -2.6° in the rear I could have fit a 275. Of course, I'm rolled as well.
I'm open to giving up some things for greater simplicity. I'm not trying to become a "fitment king" with this car by any means. It's just time for a refresh and would like an altered look while I'm in there.
#14
The 245 looks fantastic on the 8.5, and is a plug and play with the spacers you want, no camber kits, nothing, but if you want the 265 you're going to have to work a bit for it.
#15
Quick question regarding spacers. I've read that it can put more stress on other components of the suspension/hubs. Is this correct? I will be mounting some A-Specs (18x8) in the future, and am lowered just under two inches. I have no rear camber kit at the moment (did have Ingalls but bushings were crap after a few thousand miles). I have a front SPC camber kit as well, and plan to buy rear SPC shortly. Would like to get the 255/40 for the A-Specs but may end up with the 245/40. Just curious, as to everyone's thoughts on spacers.
Ideally, I would love to have a different offset on the A-specs but that obviously isn't an option.
Ideally, I would love to have a different offset on the A-specs but that obviously isn't an option.
#16
Pushing the wheel further outboard will always create more stress on the wheel bearing, no possible way around it. As long as you're good with replacing wheel bearings earlier than you normally would, you should be fine. How early? It's different for everyone, and depends on a lot of factors, so I'd say don't worry about it. I'm unaware of any other component is worn out quicker by changing offset, maybe one of the suspension guru's can chime in here.
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#17
I understand that you're not be trying to be a fitment king, but in your own research you can see that you're pushing the limits with a 265, and as a consequence you're going to need to do more work to make it fit properly. From having a 235/245/255/265 on my TL with various wheels, spacers, and drops, I can tell you that you're not going to get lucky, something won't work somewhere with the 265.
The 245 looks fantastic on the 8.5, and is a plug and play with the spacers you want, no camber kits, nothing, but if you want the 265 you're going to have to work a bit for it.
The 245 looks fantastic on the 8.5, and is a plug and play with the spacers you want, no camber kits, nothing, but if you want the 265 you're going to have to work a bit for it.
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#19
Looked awesome! But you could have gone -1.5° and probably had no rubbing at all, and still would have been within spec. Can't argue with that fitment though, beautiful!
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