Camber kit
#2
Rear camber kit? Tons of threads on this. The main two are ingalls and spc. The ingalls gives you toe and camber adjustment while the spc gives you just camber. I recently got the SPC rear camber kit over the ingalls because of the past bushing issues but apparently they have improved them since. The stock toe arm gives a little adjustability so I was able to get my toe zeroed out while running some negative camber.
#3
Rear camber kit? Tons of threads on this. The main two are ingalls and spc. The ingalls gives you toe and camber adjustment while the spc gives you just camber. I recently got the SPC rear camber kit over the ingalls because of the past bushing issues but apparently they have improved them since. The stock toe arm gives a little adjustability so I was able to get my toe zeroed out while running some negative camber.
okay I'm probably gonna get the ingalls one than. Do you know any other website I can order them beside heeltoe?
#6
There is NO EVIDENCE that the bushings for the Ingalls kit have changed or improved. ONLY GET SPC UPPER ADJUSTABLE CONTROL ARMS.
Let me remind you how crappy Ingalls Engineering kit is with my pictures within this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...review-864705/
I rode on Ingalls for 3 years, nothing but toe alignment issues.
Let me remind you how crappy Ingalls Engineering kit is with my pictures within this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...review-864705/
I rode on Ingalls for 3 years, nothing but toe alignment issues.
Last edited by t-rd; 04-06-2016 at 10:47 AM.
#7
There is NO EVIDENCE that the bushings for the Ingalls kit have changed or improved. ONLY GET SPC UPPER ADJUSTABLE CONTROL ARMS.
Let me remind you how crappy Ingalls Engineering kit is with my pictures within this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...review-864705/
I rode on Ingalls for 3 years, nothing but toe alignment issues.
Let me remind you how crappy Ingalls Engineering kit is with my pictures within this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...review-864705/
I rode on Ingalls for 3 years, nothing but toe alignment issues.
And I recommend XLR8 for the SPC's.
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#8
That's exactly why I went with the SPC ones after reading through all the terrible reviews from the ingall ones. I just read that somewhere so I was seeing if anyone else had any more information regarding the bushings.
#10
There is ZERO info on the bushings, I even sent my Ingalls arms to Ingalls for inspection upon their request, with NO result. They NEVER got back to me about them. Marcus from Heeltoe started a massive argument with me in the aforementioned thread also trying to tell me that there is no proof the Ingalls arms are bad. What other proof do you need other than from a guy that rode on them for 3 years with chewed up tires?
The speed shop I now go to, who took the Ingalls arm off and replaced them with stock arms + SPC upper arms said that they NEVER sell Ingalls because the alignment job literally last just minutes and the toe is out again.
So don't get Ingalls.
The speed shop I now go to, who took the Ingalls arm off and replaced them with stock arms + SPC upper arms said that they NEVER sell Ingalls because the alignment job literally last just minutes and the toe is out again.
So don't get Ingalls.
#11
^ OMG I remember that thread... I still have front Skunk2, rear SPC right now. I couldn't even wait 3 years on Ingalls. Sold them the week I put them on. I remember t-rd and couple other guys from those threads. Oh and rusted-stuck toe arm bolt is another story, which you won't have to deal with if you go with SPC.
Ease of use for your average mechanic : (IMO VERY important unless you have a hookup for alignment rack/tech)
As far as fronts go according to technicians they would prefer to work with skunk2 than SPC/Ingalls, etc. Basically they dont want to have to sneak the wrench all the way up and over the upper control arm. Some member drilled a hole in the shock tower so they can reach the adjustable nut from the engine bay. But unibidy modification is out of my comfort zone. With Skunk2 you can just use 2-3ft extension and allen key socket and reach from the bottom of car. And when I taught this guy at Honda dealership how to do it, took him only ~1hr to do alignment for camber and toe, all 4 corners.
None of technicians had any trouble using either Ingalls or SPC rear camber kit, except Ingalls won't let them dial anything in, moving around the measurement every time they touched the arms (more than it should).
Unless you want so much rear camber that stock cam bolt on the toe arm isn't enough, no reason to experiment with Ingalls after all these times. But if you don't like SPC then there's Hardrace(? IIRC) that makes Ingalls type arm but they make two versions, one with supposedly harder bushings and another with spherical bearings in all 4 corners. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the the blue, European-origin rear camber kit for our TL.
Ease of use for your average mechanic : (IMO VERY important unless you have a hookup for alignment rack/tech)
As far as fronts go according to technicians they would prefer to work with skunk2 than SPC/Ingalls, etc. Basically they dont want to have to sneak the wrench all the way up and over the upper control arm. Some member drilled a hole in the shock tower so they can reach the adjustable nut from the engine bay. But unibidy modification is out of my comfort zone. With Skunk2 you can just use 2-3ft extension and allen key socket and reach from the bottom of car. And when I taught this guy at Honda dealership how to do it, took him only ~1hr to do alignment for camber and toe, all 4 corners.
None of technicians had any trouble using either Ingalls or SPC rear camber kit, except Ingalls won't let them dial anything in, moving around the measurement every time they touched the arms (more than it should).
Unless you want so much rear camber that stock cam bolt on the toe arm isn't enough, no reason to experiment with Ingalls after all these times. But if you don't like SPC then there's Hardrace(? IIRC) that makes Ingalls type arm but they make two versions, one with supposedly harder bushings and another with spherical bearings in all 4 corners. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the the blue, European-origin rear camber kit for our TL.
Last edited by 4drviper; 04-07-2016 at 01:44 PM.
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