cshakari

Hi There,
I really need to find some beafy brake lines for my 04 TL (w/ brembos). Does anyone know where i could get some steel braided lines? RacingBrake has a kit but it says it's for the "(non-brembo)" tl.

ACCURATEin

Perhaps Rotora is the answer to your question. I have a set that i'm about to have installed and can possibly take pictures of them and post them here if you wish.

HQTL6SPD

I've seen Goodridge braklines on tirerack.com.. anyone know if they'd be good? I'm not too familiar with Goodridge...

Kennedy

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Just curious why you think you need these...

The stock lines are braided steel with black rubber outer cover. Not sure you're going to see any improvement over stock other than the "improved brake feel" of a freshly bled set of brake lines.

cshakari

wow really? I did not know that. If they are indeed braided steel encased in rubber then i guess i dont need em... I'm putting on some beafier rotors all around (racingbrake) and I figured I should replace the lines (cuz i thought they were rubber)... I learned something today. Thanks!

Kennedy

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According to Marcus at Heeltoe, the Racingbrake rotor package for the 6MT will include rotors, pads, and new brakelines... when they're finally released.

Again, not sure why though. Soft rubber brake lines went away in the 70's... These are purely for bling.

01tl4tl

Here is the REAL info on standard brake lines- MAY NOT APPLY TO BREMBO CARS

The upgraded Stainless Steel lines, in addition to the the exterior case, have an interior tube lining- usually Teflon type- that REDUCES the internal diameter of the line- net effect- increased pressure on pads for pedal effort and the stock unlined rubber brake hoses "swell" under pressure- which is the spongy feel you get

Flushing the brake fluid is critical to your ABS and calipers.
Brake fluid- I dont care what brand- is hydrostatic- it loves to suck moisture out of the air and into itself.
Flushing the fluid is factory speced at 3 years and repeat- these are the same people that think trans fluid last and spark plugs last forever!
Doing it once a year at home for 5 dollars is insurance against what will easily be $1000 or more for a new ABS controller and parts.
Our TLs are simple to bleed- no special tools or code resetter needed
Just start drivers front and go clockwise around the car LF RF RR LR
bingo you're done and the brakes are golden
Have fun

Touge

Kennedy, do you have any link to where acura says the the oem lines are SS ?

pohljm

Is the TL somehow different? This is exactly the opposite of how I was taught to bleed a hydraulic system.........I always bleed from the furthest location and work my way closer to the master cylinder?

01tl4tl

YES the TL is totally different on the bleed order than regular cars
freeeky eh! Somethng to do with ABS is my guess to why

But its the truth- just ask Moderator fsttyms1
Thats how he told me to do it and so has everyone else on here
It was simple to do and made a big differance in pedal feel.
The old fluid was brown and contaminated with moisture
New fluid -clear and nice

MrHeeltoe

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1 - stock lines are rubber, probably with a steel reinforcement. This does not mean they do not expand under pressure, and it does not mean they are in effect "ss lines." Aftermarket lines WILL provide a higher level of pressure to the caliper, and add immensely to the feel of the brake pedal. Pressure modulation ability is significantly improved.

2 - Goodridge is great if you don't mind waiting for them.

3 - we also get Techna-fit and Fastbrakes lines.

4 - AT and MT lines are interchangeable.

Marcus

pohljm

I would definitely need to see a shop manual description of this bleed order since it makes no hydraulic sense at all irregardless of the ABS controller

01tl4tl

So spend the $65 for the shop manual- oh wait- they have been out of stock for months

So ask our Moderator fsttyms1 or search brake bleeding

I dont care what makes sense- its the procedure- live with the truth- life will be easier

fsttyms1

Not sure on the 3rd gen (im betting its the same) but on the 2nd gen It is LF RF RR LR.

cshakari

ya i actually just called RacingBrake and they recommended techna-fit. im prob gonna go with those and the beafy RacingBrake rotors all around (w/ some hawk pads).

01tl4tl

Good choice csharkari

Thats my rotor pad combo- I just need to order the SS lines now!
Most members already know I am likely an escaped mental patient with a TL and a race driver license, so I use brakes the way the maker intended!!

Get them at discount from MrHeelToe in the Off Topic Sponsored Sales area or
call him direct - Marcus 1-949-295-1668 pacific time
or www.heeltoeauto.com look up brakes and combo section for deals
Call him for the total package with brake lines price too
Most orders ship next day!!!

aznbo187

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Hehe, he included pacific time and everything.



That's cute.

MrHeeltoe

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The main reason for this is because the Goodridge lines, as good as they are, are like pulling teeth to get. Goodridge has a public supply problem, and they don't seem to care. It has been like this for years.

cshakari

yep. ill confirm that. that's what the guy on the phone told me - they stopped working with Goodridge cuz Goodridge would repetedly be unable to fulfill orders. Technafit should be fine though...

I put in an order for like just under a grand today... should be awesome... I also asked about Hawk pads and which i should get the HPS or the HP Plus and he said the plus make a lot of noise and dust... but the HPS are better than the plus in that regard ... however, the HPS are a little less grippy and heat up the rotor more...

I'ma go with the HPS... he agreed, saying that the rotors can take it without warping:

http://www.racingbrake.com/TL_Brembo...p/2108-311.htm

i can't wait

cshakari

... oh and RacingBrake gives generous discounts on larger orders (like if you're buying a full set of rotors & pads)

pohljm

Ok now I am really confused by this. hydraulic systems typically want to be bled from the furthest point moving in towards the master cylinder. Now I am hearing that on this vehicle for some reason it is the opposite.............OK I can understand that there may be an exception to this rule and this system requires it to be bled from the master cylinder moving outward to the furthest point. But what I cannot understand is that the bleed order you are recommending does not even follow that logic. since the RR is further than the LR from the master cylinder should it not be LF RF LR RR?

MrHeeltoe

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And, uh, your Acurazine sponsers give generous discounts for buying one at a time.

01tl4tl

Not only do our acurazine sponsors, like MrHeelToe, get you big discounts on something like just pads or front or rear rotors or just the lines etc.- they are the ones who make this site available to us!

Support them whenever you can

I include time zones when known with number because its much nicer to reach someone at 8 am than 5 am!

Like the following example
Acura Customer Care
1-800-382-2238 x 5 6a-5p pacific
look- I even give you the extension # to save time
also register your car at www.acura.com ownership link
look it up yourself lol

01tl4tl

pohljm
No one seems to have a gen 3 repair book- buy one at the dealer and tell us if procedure has changed or see if tech will tell you at dealer.

If just flushing the fluid- not bleeding due to air introduced, you can do it a few ways and still accomplish the result


cshakari:
mind telling us what year car and total paid for what parts?

The word from www.hawkperformance.com their main website,
is that HPS is High Performance Street- good for all conditions including days at the race track where they will get hotter than normal. I love mine!
The + or PLUS series is for TRACK DAY Use, and will work -good enough- to drive home on because who wants to change brakes after a day of racetrack fun, just want to get home.
You MUST put the HPS back in before normal street driving.
Hawk sees the PLUS series as pads you swap in and out for fun runs- not everyday use
They NEED to get really hot to work right
The Racing Brake slotted rotors will not get hot like anything else you have owned.
The inner cooling vane technology makes them the best.
www.racingbrake.com has great info on their products

dansmith2004

I had (have, but the transmission is sitting in my garage in peices...) a V6 Accord prior to the TL, which shares many design elements and parts, and it had this same routine for bleeding the brakes. (front left, front right, rear right, rear left) It seems to be a common trait among the Accord/TL line, perhaps all Honda/Acura's though I don't know for sure.

I do have a copy of the 04-06 TL factory manuals as well, but I seem to have misplaced them. If you want I can look it up, but I trust what the others have said. Oddly enough, I've ordered Goodridge lines before (and had excellent luck with them, never any problems) and they came the next day (I was in a jam), but that was for a '98 accord and I'm guessing the brake lines for that car aren't a hot item anymore

Dan

cshakari

...thats's funny, my bosses name is Dan Smith... I was like

Here's what I bought:

Front Rotors: $290 X2
http://www.racingbrake.com/TL_Brembo...p/2108-311.htm


Rear Rotors: $103 X2
http://www.racingbrake.com/TL_REAR_0...1-141-1100.htm

HPS Pads: $188 for all 4

TechnaFit Lines - Part # AC-1322 Retail: $115 Price Paid: aprox $80? (they will send me an adjusted invoice but I think he said something like $80-$85 on the phone).

Total Paid:
$936.32 + $85 for lines
minus (-) 10% discount:

aprox $919.19

He also said that he will be happy to upgrade shipping to next day ones he gets the lines in from TechnaFit (aparently the build on the fly so it may take a week to have them build the lines).

cshakari

...thats's funny, my bosses name is Dan Smith... I was like

<<<<<< My car '04 6spd w/ brembos

Here's what I bought:

Front Rotors: $290 X2
http://www.racingbrake.com/TL_Brembo...p/2108-311.htm


Rear Rotors: $90 X2
http://www.racingbrake.com/TL_REAR_0...1-141-1100.htm

HPS Pads: $160 for all 4

TechnaFit Lines - Part # AC-1322 Retail: $115 Price Paid: aprox $80? (they will send me an adjusted invoice but I think he said something like $80-$85 on the phone).

Total Paid:
$912.26 + $85 for lines
minus (-) 10% discount:

aprox $897.00

He also said that he will be happy to upgrade shipping to next day ones he gets the lines in from TechnaFit (aparently the build on the fly so it may take a week to have them build the lines). What is it with these brake line companies... I thought Goodridge was the only one having problems with distribution?