Any1 ever have issues with Function Form Coilovers??
06-21-2012, 08:33 PM
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Any1 ever have issues with Function Form Coilovers??
Good evening ziners. To those of you that have the Function Form Coilover kit (HT Spec V2) have you guys had anything go wrong with them? My coilovers are only a few months old and the rear passenger side is making a awful sound whenever I drive over bumps or uneven tarmac better yet anytime theirs the small bump in the road I hear it. I took it to the speedshop that installed them they told me it wasnt the coilver it was the seatbelt. I took it to my trusted mechanic at meineke where he removed the whole coilover (I wasnt there I had gotten called into work). But he called me and told me the whole strut was bad
Im like they are only 2 months old he told me there is no pressure in the strut...
But heres the thing I dont notice any difference in the ride quality I just hear the noise. Any of yall ever had anything like this happen with any coilover setup you've had? Bc to my understanding they dont just go bad I mean their practically brand new. The coilovers are warrantied for a full year but I didnt register them when I first received them but I spoke to bruce and he said it shouldnt be a problem. I just need you alls input
Im like they are only 2 months old he told me there is no pressure in the strut... But heres the thing I dont notice any difference in the ride quality I just hear the noise. Any of yall ever had anything like this happen with any coilover setup you've had? Bc to my understanding they dont just go bad I mean their practically brand new. The coilovers are warrantied for a full year but I didnt register them when I first received them but I spoke to bruce and he said it shouldnt be a problem. I just need you alls input
06-21-2012, 09:04 PM
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Hello, my fellow NJ'er.
Your coilover is shot. While I personally view them as being superior in both the comfort and performance category when compared to A-Spec, their ability to withstand impulse shock is...disappointing. You're going to need to replace it.
SOURCE: I blew 2 front coilovers in 3 weeks.
Your coilover is shot. While I personally view them as being superior in both the comfort and performance category when compared to A-Spec, their ability to withstand impulse shock is...disappointing. You're going to need to replace it.
SOURCE: I blew 2 front coilovers in 3 weeks.
06-22-2012, 05:56 AM
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06-22-2012, 08:06 PM
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Threads like this confirm why I'm going to spend the extra money on Tein Street Basis when I get coilovers for mine. I'd rather spend the extra money and do it right the first time.
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06-22-2012, 11:54 PM
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Hello, my fellow NJ'er.
Your coilover is shot. While I personally view them as being superior in both the comfort and performance category when compared to A-Spec, their ability to withstand impulse shock is...disappointing. You're going to need to replace it.
Hello jersian... I know its shot to shit. Its crazy because I feel like I hit more potholes or bumps with the front two more than anything else and those are perfectly intact... Im hoping I just got a faulty coilover from the manufacturer.
SOURCE: I blew 2 front coilovers in 3 weeks.
Your coilover is shot. While I personally view them as being superior in both the comfort and performance category when compared to A-Spec, their ability to withstand impulse shock is...disappointing. You're going to need to replace it.
Hello jersian... I know its shot to shit. Its crazy because I feel like I hit more potholes or bumps with the front two more than anything else and those are perfectly intact... Im hoping I just got a faulty coilover from the manufacturer.
SOURCE: I blew 2 front coilovers in 3 weeks.
06-23-2012, 12:23 AM
#9
Wow I find this very surprising. I'm on F&F Type 1's version 2 for about a year now. I have some really crappy roads here and can't even count the many times a pothole and crazy dip snuck up on me. My coilovers also have a bit of preload on them since they're soft from the beginning but as of now, ride quality hasn't changed and I don't hear any abnormal noises from the suspension area 
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06-25-2012, 07:56 PM
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You'll hear it. If you hear something akin to a cylinder bouncing around in a metal tube over ANY AND ALL bumps, she's done. There's no "suspicion" here. There's just hoping for the best and ignoring it or replacing it 
06-25-2012, 08:00 PM
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Well I dont think I have those symptoms. Just sometimes I feel like the passenger side rubs a bit more now than before and the car feels a little floaty. Well I do need rear tires and a better alignment so that maybe the issue there.
06-25-2012, 08:18 PM
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[quote=07tl-s6spd;13865110]going overs bumps big or small I can just here that blown strut noise 
hope you have them still under warranty,get them replaced....it sucks that there is no quality control on f&f........I would like to see how the isc hold up,they look very promising,hope they deliver in the long run....
hope you have them still under warranty,get them replaced....it sucks that there is no quality control on f&f........I would like to see how the isc hold up,they look very promising,hope they deliver in the long run....
06-26-2012, 12:03 AM
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08-07-2012, 11:41 AM
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You get what you pay for, I guess?
just over a year on the V1 Type 2's, passenger front strut blew out on hitting something, got it replaced, 2 months later now just noticed same rattle-can sound just not near as bad, but I haven't had any hard impacts. checking it out this week. If it's the same problem I won't stay with the F2's.
If I could do it over again I'd go with Tein. One of the hooks with F&F was they were promising the same type of electronic damping controller as offered with the Tein setup, but just 'coming soon', now I don't see it being mentioned anymore. Kinda sketchy if you ask me.
If I could do it over again I'd go with Tein. One of the hooks with F&F was they were promising the same type of electronic damping controller as offered with the Tein setup, but just 'coming soon', now I don't see it being mentioned anymore. Kinda sketchy if you ask me.
08-07-2012, 01:04 PM
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So glad i got Teins. No problems at all, even after 2 years
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08-30-2012, 08:58 PM
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just over a year on the V1 Type 2's, passenger front strut blew out on hitting something, got it replaced, 2 months later now just noticed same rattle-can sound just not near as bad, but I haven't had any hard impacts. checking it out this week. If it's the same problem I won't stay with the F2's.
If I could do it over again I'd go with Tein. One of the hooks with F&F was they were promising the same type of electronic damping controller as offered with the Tein setup, but just 'coming soon', now I don't see it being mentioned anymore. Kinda sketchy if you ask me.
If I could do it over again I'd go with Tein. One of the hooks with F&F was they were promising the same type of electronic damping controller as offered with the Tein setup, but just 'coming soon', now I don't see it being mentioned anymore. Kinda sketchy if you ask me.
not only is it the same problem, it's the same exact strut (the replacement strut that F2 mailed to me directly from CA). FWIW, Marcus @ Heeltoe has been nothing but helpful and I would certainly recommend him still, I don't think anyone should expect a 'perfect' setup for the price you pay, and even Marcus will admit there's better products out there if you've got the money. Maybe he or someone else can chime in though and comment on whether or not the V2 damper has fixed this issue or not-- as for now my only solution is to purchase two V2 dampers and replace both fronts and hope for the best.
I hate to sound pessimistic but I don't expect the F2 guys out in CA to do anything to help me out on this one, but it is upsetting that on perfectly smooth roads and no 'incidents' their V1 replacement strut blew out within a few weeks... i'll find out when I call them tomorrow and update here.
08-31-2012, 12:17 PM
#30
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update:
not only is it the same problem, it's the same exact strut (the replacement strut that F2 mailed to me directly from CA). FWIW, Marcus @ Heeltoe has been nothing but helpful and I would certainly recommend him still, I don't think anyone should expect a 'perfect' setup for the price you pay, and even Marcus will admit there's better products out there if you've got the money. Maybe he or someone else can chime in though and comment on whether or not the V2 damper has fixed this issue or not-- as for now my only solution is to purchase two V2 dampers and replace both fronts and hope for the best.
I hate to sound pessimistic but I don't expect the F2 guys out in CA to do anything to help me out on this one, but it is upsetting that on perfectly smooth roads and no 'incidents' their V1 replacement strut blew out within a few weeks... i'll find out when I call them tomorrow and update here.
not only is it the same problem, it's the same exact strut (the replacement strut that F2 mailed to me directly from CA). FWIW, Marcus @ Heeltoe has been nothing but helpful and I would certainly recommend him still, I don't think anyone should expect a 'perfect' setup for the price you pay, and even Marcus will admit there's better products out there if you've got the money. Maybe he or someone else can chime in though and comment on whether or not the V2 damper has fixed this issue or not-- as for now my only solution is to purchase two V2 dampers and replace both fronts and hope for the best.
I hate to sound pessimistic but I don't expect the F2 guys out in CA to do anything to help me out on this one, but it is upsetting that on perfectly smooth roads and no 'incidents' their V1 replacement strut blew out within a few weeks... i'll find out when I call them tomorrow and update here.
A+++ for Heeltoe, Marcus stepping in with a solution instead of just referring me back to the manufacturer, as he had every right to do.... awesome!
08-31-2012, 09:21 PM
#32
Instructor
Also, seems to be a QC issue so the vast majority of people have no problems and only a few get a set that doesn't hold up?
11-10-2012, 08:22 AM
#35
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Ive had mine for over a year and am having the same issues. At first I loved them. Then I started to get a rattling noise from the front right shock. I changed endlinks, sway bar bushings until finally I decided to change the shock under warranty. The shock I was sent blew out within a week. The next one was ok but then I began to get a rattling noise from the front left shock, and then the right followed again. I am out of warranty at this point so i got two new front shock out of pocket. I had them replaced and the left one blew out within a week. I replaced that one with an old one that I had and now im traveling with a rattling car. Long story short, these coils are not built to last. They loose pressure right away. Im so fed up that im probably going to throw my stock setup back on for the winter and ride jeep status for now. Marcus is a good dude but he needs to really look into the product hes pushing. With the money i spent paying people to swap out shocks, I could have bought a whole new set of coils from another brand.
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11-11-2012, 02:11 AM
#37
Same crap happened to me. I had HT-Specs on and the rear started making a knocking noise after a few months. Took them off thinking I was going to sell the car and to no surprise, the noise went away.
Haven't tried to warranty it cause I'm not sure which rear strut it is. I have emailed them about it with no response.
Haven't tried to warranty it cause I'm not sure which rear strut it is. I have emailed them about it with no response.
11-18-2012, 04:58 PM
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We have been trying to find a resolution to some of the issues we have seen customers have. To be perfectly honest it has been really difficult validating most of the issues people say they have. Case in point, read this latest update on a recent forum. This customer had a "blown" front shock, and exchanged a couple times with F2. Apparently one of the ones he returned was tested to be ok and they did not want to refund his deposit. To make matters worse, one of the new ones he got was again "blown." (I am not sure what blown means to people...but that is what he said). Read what we did to help address the issue:
If you want the whole story, including some more F2 flaming and Heeltoe commentary, Google "My experience with F&F "
So that being said, we don't call our customers liars because we do truly believe you are harboring some discontent. We believe there is something going on with your car that you don't like. Be it the suspension, or the way it reacts to the roads you are on, we are finding we have little control over the outcome when people use these F2 sourced parts.
We have decided to stop selling these parts until a resolution can be found that will increase our confidence that these threads will not come about. For that we have put the ball in F2s corner. We have called, and emailed, and they have yet to get back to use to let us know what they are going to do. If there really is nothing wrong they have not told me that is the case. If there is, they either don't know how to say it or don't know how to fix it.
Regardless of if there is an issue or not, we don't want to be associated with negativity.
We have had ultimate success in selling Teins over the the years, and wanted to do our HTSpec kit with them. However the cost was going to run to about $1300 which we knew would offer limited demand. We knew a lower cost kit would be much more popular, and we were right. With hundreds of kits sold we know there are tons of people out there who are happy with the HTSpec kit by F2. However the few people with issues who seem unable to find resolution, even with our help, create a compelling case not to buy them and therefore this product must change.
For now our best recommendation for suspension is the tried and true Tein options. They will not put your car within 1/2" of the ground as some people seem to want to do, but those people will not usually provide the most appropriate feedback on the real world attributes of a kit. Heeltoe continues to be a top-volume Tein dealer, one of the most successful Tein dealers in the country. We sell more kits than most other Tein dealers nationally (Tein's figures, not ours). So while we cannot offer complete confindence in the F2 product we are happy to prodive solutions from Tein.
We also caution people against other cheaper brands. We have found that the price versus features method of choosing parts will rarely net higher quality, which results in the ultimate measure of happiness.
Originally Posted by mrheeltoe
I was speaking with the customer and we decided the best thing to do was going to be for him to send me his culprit coilover assembly so I could install it in my car and I in turn sent him a known-good one from my car to install in his car. I have no such issues in my car so it seemed sound thinking that if I could duplicate the issue we could definitely call it a problem with his part, but if I could not duplicate then I would have to side with F2. Likewise, we'd like the customer's issue to go away and if I believe my part is good, then this should be the case.
That was something like a month ago. I got the customer's part and it was adjusted properly, within a fraction of an inch of my own setup, so I did not make any changes before or after installing. It was a straight bolt-in affair.
I have been using the customers coilover in my car quite aggressively over the last few weeks and am finding absolutely no issues at all with it. I have put at least a thousand miles on it in all sorts of driving. I have not gotten any abnormal sounds or feelings from it. It handles the same as my other one did. My car, for those who have not been made aware, handles pretty darn good for running a $600 suspension. Actually, it handles better than some of the $1000+ suspension I've run in the same car.
The customer just emailed me saying the first day they had no sounds but from that day on for the last 3 weeks they are getting the exact same sound and feeling they had before.
I really don't know how much farther I could go to try and vindicate F2 here. I was unable to validate the problem with this test and therefore I would have to call the part good. If I was being asked to warranty this part, I would deny it as well. F2s policy is in place to prevent unnecessary costs incurred for falsely condemned product and that means if fault is not found they are not going to incur that cost.
I cannot explain where the problem is with the customer's part but I think we have done a lot here to help find out, and in our inability to validate the problem with the component and the customer stating they have a problem with a known good part, we have to look at outside factors causing the problem.
That was something like a month ago. I got the customer's part and it was adjusted properly, within a fraction of an inch of my own setup, so I did not make any changes before or after installing. It was a straight bolt-in affair.
I have been using the customers coilover in my car quite aggressively over the last few weeks and am finding absolutely no issues at all with it. I have put at least a thousand miles on it in all sorts of driving. I have not gotten any abnormal sounds or feelings from it. It handles the same as my other one did. My car, for those who have not been made aware, handles pretty darn good for running a $600 suspension. Actually, it handles better than some of the $1000+ suspension I've run in the same car.
The customer just emailed me saying the first day they had no sounds but from that day on for the last 3 weeks they are getting the exact same sound and feeling they had before.
I really don't know how much farther I could go to try and vindicate F2 here. I was unable to validate the problem with this test and therefore I would have to call the part good. If I was being asked to warranty this part, I would deny it as well. F2s policy is in place to prevent unnecessary costs incurred for falsely condemned product and that means if fault is not found they are not going to incur that cost.
I cannot explain where the problem is with the customer's part but I think we have done a lot here to help find out, and in our inability to validate the problem with the component and the customer stating they have a problem with a known good part, we have to look at outside factors causing the problem.
So that being said, we don't call our customers liars because we do truly believe you are harboring some discontent. We believe there is something going on with your car that you don't like. Be it the suspension, or the way it reacts to the roads you are on, we are finding we have little control over the outcome when people use these F2 sourced parts.
We have decided to stop selling these parts until a resolution can be found that will increase our confidence that these threads will not come about. For that we have put the ball in F2s corner. We have called, and emailed, and they have yet to get back to use to let us know what they are going to do. If there really is nothing wrong they have not told me that is the case. If there is, they either don't know how to say it or don't know how to fix it.
Regardless of if there is an issue or not, we don't want to be associated with negativity.
We have had ultimate success in selling Teins over the the years, and wanted to do our HTSpec kit with them. However the cost was going to run to about $1300 which we knew would offer limited demand. We knew a lower cost kit would be much more popular, and we were right. With hundreds of kits sold we know there are tons of people out there who are happy with the HTSpec kit by F2. However the few people with issues who seem unable to find resolution, even with our help, create a compelling case not to buy them and therefore this product must change.
For now our best recommendation for suspension is the tried and true Tein options. They will not put your car within 1/2" of the ground as some people seem to want to do, but those people will not usually provide the most appropriate feedback on the real world attributes of a kit. Heeltoe continues to be a top-volume Tein dealer, one of the most successful Tein dealers in the country. We sell more kits than most other Tein dealers nationally (Tein's figures, not ours). So while we cannot offer complete confindence in the F2 product we are happy to prodive solutions from Tein.
We also caution people against other cheaper brands. We have found that the price versus features method of choosing parts will rarely net higher quality, which results in the ultimate measure of happiness.
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