davewhodavedunn

UPDATE: So Kanata rims and tires brought my car back in to put the car on the ROADFORCE BALANCER. They claim the tires and rims are balanced yet their is still wheel shake over speeds of 90km which is about 55mphs. They claim "it could be the rims or the tires". He is ordering me a brand new set of rims and brand new set of tires to try and solve the problem.

Here is the low down of what has gone on.
Hi guys. I used to own a Acura TL. Trade it for a 2008 honda accord 3.5l v6 sedan with navi, back up cam etc....I have a problem and need help and we have the same bolt pattern. I tried to sum up the below info really quickly. Let me know what you think.


Installed a set of tezzen 20inch chrome "razor" wheels with hercules raptis wr1 tires. The rims and tires drove nice, straight, quiet and perfect. 1 week later noticed chrome defects. Contacted "Tezzen" which is made by lexani. They claim they haven't sold those wheels or brand for 5 years. They don't know where my dealer got them from. I complained to the dealer (Kanata rim and tires) and they agreed the rims were bad. Ordered me a set of 20inch chrome FASTWHEEL "Raven" wheels

The new set of 20inch FASTWHEEL "Raven' rims came in. They put the same Hercules raptis wr1 tires from the 1st defected set of rims on to the new rims (FASTWHEEL RAVEN). I drove away and noticed steering wheel shaking over 90km (55mph). I took it back the next day, they rebalanced. Drove away, steering wheel still shaking, took it in again (second time) they rebalanced. Same steering wheel shaking. I then took it the third time to rebalance on their NEW roadforce balancer. Again drove away and still the same thing....the dealer (kanata rims and tires) claim it could be the tires and could be the rims.I told the guy that this is ridiculous. Order me a new set of (FASTWHEEL "RAVENS" 20INCH CHROME RIMS) and a new set of tires (HERCULES RAPTIS) WR1.........Waiting for the new chapter of this nightmare...more to come......

RU_JELLY

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i have never heard of any of the brands you just mentioned. that could be a start

McCollins23

You probably need to get some hubcentric rings that are the size of the hub on your car. 64.1 if IIRC. That might be what is causing the vibration at speeds.

mrsimeon

Would an allignment help after you install thd new set of wheels?

Also the tires I never heard of them?
What is the make and model of your tires?

Turbonut

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Have stated this before, after balancing an assembly, have the operator loosen then turn it 180 degrees on the spindle, retighten and balance again. It should be perfect, but if any weight needed is indicated, either the equipment is out of calibration or the wheel assembly center hole has been compromised. To try the latter have them use the adapter that bolts through the wheel lug holes and then give it a try.

davewhodavedunn

Fast wheels are a canadian company.
Hercules are a brand nane tire, no not the best but decent.

The car was aligned 2 months ago.

As for their workmanship. They told me they put it on the road force balancer looked for bad spots in the tires and found none. This company has been in buisness for years and they claim they have never seen a problem like this before. I think they would know about the hub rings.

davewhodavedunn

The problem seems to be fixed. A new set of rims and a new set of tires were ordered and installed. No more shaking steering wheel. It seems the problems were the rims. My dealer (Kanata rims and tires) claimed it was the rims which are made by FAST WHEELS CANADA (FASTCO). I now have the same wheels from Fast Wheels but these don't have defects. What a crazy situation!

davewhodavedunn

So this situation continues. Kanata rims and tires got me another new set of the same 20 inch fast wheel raven rims and another set of the hercules raptis wr1 tires. They still shake. I took it to another tire shop who check the balancing on the front tires which was perfect. The claim the tires are fine as well.

I contacted "fastco" who makes fast wheels. They say it is not their rims but if I drive 2 hours to their headquarters they will unmount the tires, check the rims and the. Reinstall and balance the wheels. They also state that it could be a suspension or steering problem. I had oem wheels on the1 month ago and did not have a wheel shake problem.


SO WHAT SO YOU GUYS THINK LOL?

CLtotheTL32

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You should just put your stock back wheels on. Those wheels sound like too much of a headache.

justnspace

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I think you should go back to stock

davewhodavedunn

Ugh back to stock sounds awful! Its ashame to do that.

davewhodavedunn

Does anyone have any ideas on what the problem could be?

FAST WHEELS SAID THIS

There are 4 possibliites that could be causing the problem. Three are not
under our control.
The tires, the installation and the condition of the suspension & steering
assembly.
As I said We will be happy to look at your problem by having you come here
and we'll redo the installation
If it's the wheels we will change them.
If it's the installation we will fix it even though we were not the guys who
did the installation
If it's the tires - talk to the person who supplied with the tires
If it the suspension or steering assembly you are on your own

CLtotheTL32

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It sounds like too much of a headache to deal with anymore.

Go to their shop and see what they can do. If it can't fix it, put the stockies back on and call it a day.

paperboy42190

iTrader: (7)

not worth the trouble....hercules is not a "name brand" tire company btw, although I have heard of them lol

SharksBreath

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see if carbonfiberhoods.com can help.

davewhodavedunn

Ya we will see ugh...what a headache. I thought their was some technical rim and tire guys on here who could help, anyone lol?

davewhodavedunn

I can get them to replace the rims as well...do you guys think this one would look better?

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

Better than the chrome? Yes.

They are still hideous wheels though. As long as you're happy.

davewhodavedunn

Come on. They are a simple 5 spoke deep dish wheel. What is hideous about them? Lol cuz they aren't over priced Ron Jon wheels? lol

03tLsNBP

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they look ghetto. also i hate convex wheels.

CLtotheTL32

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RonJon wheels aren't expensive compared to other brands.

Let's compare your 5-spoke wheels to RJ 5-spoke wheels...







And yours...



Yours look like something I would see on a Charger or Magnum in Detroit. Chrome is

I'm not saying RJ wheels are the hottest wheels on the market but they are clean and classy, not gaudy.

Like I said, don't take it personally, but I don't like those wheels whatsoever. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters.

davewhodavedunn

Well you are right, it is personal opinion. I rock chrone, that us my style. The point of this thread was for help about my wheel situation. I didn't post a thread saying "what wheels should I choose, i need ignorant useless comments" keep em to yourself, this aint trashurazine.com!

CLtotheTL32

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Too bad you said "what's hideous about them?", implying that you wanted my opinion. I stated my opinion and because it's contradictory to yours, you're mad.

06tl4life

davewhodavedunn

ya man im super pissed lol....hahahahaha how am I gunna sleep when I remember that loser with the waldo picture that talks smack over the internet lol

CLtotheTL32

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I'm not talking smack at all. I gave you my opinion and you got defensive because I didn't agree. And I like how you judge me based on my avatar, very grown up of you. I guess I should put up a picture of my TL huh?

Even though I don't like the style of your wheels, I think the black/polished finish looks better than chrome. Is the company replacing the wheels or what?

Aman

You've had bad luck with that wheel and tire combination. The solution sounds pretty simply to me:

Use different wheels and different tires.

Silver_Surfer

Speaking of trashurazine.com, when did this site become hondaaccordazine?

Undying Dreams

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At least he'll remember you Tyler :ghey:

On a serious note... the rims on the Honda are

davewhodavedunn

Yes it is fastwheels replacing them. Im going to their headquarters. They are blaming the tires. They said that the new set of rims on my car were measure and are not out of round and perfect. Theywill be uninstalling the tires, checking the rims again and then installing the same tires or new ones to fix the problem.

rockstar143

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Well, on one hand you did ask for the opinion...and I have to agree, the chrome grill and wheels aren't my thing either. Funny though, I've noticed how "fickle" my taste in mods is over the course of time...I'll think something sucks...and down the line I'll buy it. Although, chrome has never been my thing.

If you LOVE the look of chrome, i like the 2nd set you posted better than the ALL chrome. If full refund would be an option, I'd go for that and give it some time to see what other options you might have. There are so many wheels out there, including some that are chrome-ish that might look better.

If not, I wouldn't say to give up...I had a similar story with my wheels...first 2 sets of tires...the places that mounted them just could NOT get the balancing right...I wanted to cry...and the more you focus on the vibration, the worse it feels becasue you stop enjoying the drive and start just looking for the problem. The BIGGEST problem for me is that when you balance, you are limited by the quality of the tech...and the quality of the equipment and how recently the balancing machine was calibrated. I LITERALLY had mine rebalanced 10 times...road force, then high speed, back and forth...at 2 different places. The ONLY thing that fixed it was a honda tech friend of mine...

This last set of tires I bought...Conti DW's...had mounted by Acura near my house...Flawless...no vibrations at all.

Good luck!

davewhodavedunn

Interesting. I will let you guys know how it goes when I visit fastwheels headquarters

CLtotheTL32

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Good luck man. Let us know how it goes.

Turbonut

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I'll say the wheels aren't out of tolerance, and still say it's the balancing. If the chrome application is not precise, the center bore becomes compromised so don't use the cone adapter, bolt the wheel adapter through the lug holes and use that on the road force machine. Don't remember if they were all balanced at the same place, but a calibration error can be see when the assembly is rotated after balancing as I stated earlier.

davewhodavedunn

Alright. I went to fastwheels headquarters. They have a special machine made by "hofman". Not sure what the name of the machine was though. They foubd out the wheels were fine. They even gave me printouts to show me. It was the front 2 tires that were jumping while they were on the machine. This is what I was expericing in the car. They then put those wheels on the rear. Fixed the problem up front but it was not vibrating in the rear. They said it was for sure the tires. They replaced them at my request with falken fk452s. I drove the car no problems. They dropped the tire size as well from a 245/35/20 to a 225/35/20.

The problem now is I need to return the hercules tires to kanata rim and tires. They are not going to be happy to find out that I went elsewhere to fix the problem, they will be mad that for some reason they couldn't figure it out and that I bought new tires elsewhere. I will let you all know how it goes.

I can't believe after taking it to kanata rim and tires and frisy tire that they couldnt find out I had 2 defective tires. They even put it on a roadforce.

davewhodavedunn

Let me know what you guys think.