nozones07TLS

Hey all - I need advice.

Bought my used 07 TL type S this past April. It snowed heavy wet snow two days after I bought it - barely made it home. Winter is around the corner again here in Denver. Stock tires (P235/45R17) are still on the stock rims...need something for winter driving. Hope you all can help!

I checked out tirerack.com and have narrowed it down to the following three:

Bridgestone Blizzak WS-70 ($156/tire)
Bridgestone LM-60 ($165/tire)
or
Michelin X-ice Xi2 ($152/tire)

Anyone used any of these tires in snowy winter climates on a type S?

Thanks much!
nz

Steven Bell

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https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/new-continental-extreme-contact-dws-mich-pilot-s-plus-745576/

08A-SPEC

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Continental ExtremeWinter Contacts. They are in the same price range as those you listed but outperform them overall.

Tote

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...mparison_tests

I'm thinking of going with the Michelin Alpine PA3 myself but you might want something that is specific for snow/ice considering your locale.

Ch33sE1

I would consider the Continental as well, they seem to beat the competition in almost every category.

nozones07TLS

Will do - thanks for the responses.

nz

MVR 155

I have run the General Arctic Altimax tires on my Type S the past 2 winters, the car is absolutely fantastic in the snow, its so good I find myself leaving the H2 in the Garage even during heavy snowstorms. I had been swapping tires on my stock Type S wheels..... I just picked up a set of used 2006 wheels with crappy tires and TPMS sensors off Craigslist, going to remove the crappy tires and have the winter tires mounted this coming week.... Im sure we are not more than a couple of weeks away from getting snow here in Chicagoland.

Waltah

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you may want to mount one of them to see if they clear the brembos.....just FYI

v|nsan|ty

So do used 04-06 rims clear the brembos??

I need to get some wheels and tires for winter and prefer to go with steelies if they can fit on the TL-S.

v|nsan|ty

Would this fit on a 2007 TL-S?

Rim size: 17 x 7 inch
Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm
Offset: 45mm
Centre Bore: 64.1mm

Gen7Milan

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Probably not without spacers.

v|nsan|ty

Spacers for steelies or the rim I inquired about?

jpk7

I read the car and driver article and decided I wanted to move into the dedicated winter category living in Utah, but have had the XI2 before on other vehicles and like that article says they feel spongy. I would have bought the base TL if I was ok with that. I contemplated the Conti, but still have 20-30K left on my stock tires. So I decided to go for the PA3. Don't want all the modifications to keep the type s stiffer to be lost on a snow tire, but do need to get through those snow days.
My father has PA3 on a 335XI, granted all wheel drive, but he has been able to go through anything.
Here is where I may have lost some common sense, I bought it in a 245/45/17. I know wider on a snow tire, what pushed me that direction is in the PA3 that is the closest size to the stock in diamter only .07" off. It looks wicked good on the car, seems to be handling almost as good as the stock on turns, and as long as the extra width doesn't kill me on snow days, I'll be happy.

MVR 155

The 2006 rims will clear the Brembos just fine, if you recall all 2004-2006 cars with the 6 speed manual trans had Brembos, same wheels so no problem with clearance.


jpk7...... Its gonna be tough to find a winter/snow tire that will give you equal handling in the dry to a summer tire.... everything is a compromise and unfortunately there is not a "one size fits all" product that does everything perfect. Glad you have found the PA3 to be a good compromise, I doubt going to a 245 from a 235 will have much negative impact on your when the white stuff falls, the difference will be hardly noticable.

Gen7Milan

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I have the precursor to the Pilot PA3, the PA2's and I have to admit that the way handle in the dry is way better then what a snow tire has any right to. I still have to see how they handle in the snow....


Stock 04-06 TL wheels clear Brembos. The specs for the wheels you posted will most likely require spacers but that depends on the spoke design.

v|nsan|ty

Here is a picture of the wheel I inquired about



The seller doesn't know what car these were for and neither do I. Any help is appreciated

Doridori

^ Those are from RSX type S

1789

According to TireRack testing ratings:
1- Conti Extreme Winter Contact outperforms both Blizzak WS-70 & Michelin Ice (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=135)

~BUT~
2- Blizzak WS 60 outperforms both LM-60 & Conti Extreme Winter Contact (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=125)

Verdict: Blizzak WS 60

See PM

08A-SPEC

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The continentals have a redesigned tread since that 2009 test I believe from reading about them. The WS60 comparision test you show is from 2009.

I dont think you can really go wrong with most of the good brands out there for snow tires. Buy whats in your budget.

nozones07TLS

Many thanks to all. I purchased the Michelin X-ice Xi 2 from tirerack (discount tire and big o are big rip-offs - too many little fees that add up) and am having them installed at this moment at the local Acura dealer. Just for FYI if trying to decide yourself, total cost for tire and install is abut $760 compared to $885 at Discount tire - plus the $70 rebate from Michelin. I am putting them on the original wheels, but am now worried about whether or not that was the right choice...we'll see how much they get chewed up this winter.

Anyway, i'll report out by week's end on how the tires perform - supposed to get snow here in Denver mid week - sweet!!!

nz

nozones07TLS

just for clarification...my plan is to swap out winter and performance tires throughout the year as necessary to maintain max tire life. The Michelin X-ice Xi 2 tire rating is 118 mph - hopefully my occassional 70-80 mph highway speeds during cool, dry conditions will not jack up the tires too much...

tlwasabi07

i like the x-ice

NSXRguy

i just got my extremewintercontact installed, and they feel a little squirmy on dry roads while turning and changing lanes, as compared to the stock tires. i guess thats typical for a snow tire?

cant wait til the snow comes though

katsu604

i just bought my 07 tl s 2 weeks ago.. totally wicked car!!! but with all the ice and snow coming.. im not sure whether i should chance it with the michelin all season's (forgot which ones i have) i have on now or whether i should get snow tires.. I live in vancouver bc, canada.. normally snow isnt bad but this year.. its suppose to get heavy.

v|nsan|ty

I put Blizzak WS 60's on mine the other day. I get way better traction than before, but then again my summer tires are "Vortex". They were put on by the previous owner. They're terrible for winter driving.

Winter tires are vital for Edmonton if you don't drive like a grandma or want to stop without rear ending someone.

fz409040422

LM60 is the best on junction ice,much better than anything else.
conti is better in any other perspective.

just dont buy any michelin tires or any bridgestone summer tires, there are many things better than them.

jpk7

Over the past few days we have had a 12" snow storm and a 6" snow storm. PA3 in 245/45/17 did great in both. Plowed right through it. Corners pretty close to the stock all-season in dry, but nothing like a Pilot PS2 (not that I expected them to, very different compound and purpose). PA3 is very pricey though, I got a set of 4 from Costco for $900 during their $70 off sale. So far I'm very impressed overall. They are quite, smooth, ride great, corner well, and have handled a few pretty serious storms. Haven't tried any steep hills in the deep stuff, that will be the next test.

nfnsquared

yes

nfnsquared

Used these last winter. Outstanding snow tire! Switched to Conti Extreme Contact DWS UHP all season tires to get away from having to switch every season. So far, great in the snow as well...

rtibbitts07

I picked up the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's a couple months ago and put them on last week for the upcoming Michigan winter.

They are "Performance" winter tires, so they retain some good drivability in the dry. I actually didnt notice much of a performance difference switching from factory tires to the Dunlop's.

I chose these because I live in an urban environment and most of my driving is through populated areas that will have roads covered in mostly slush compared to fluffy fresh snow.

I did all my research through Tirerack, then took the price quote for 4 tires, 4 wheels, and 4 bags to the Discount Tire about a mile from my home, and had them beat the price. They did, which is much more convenient than driving 45mins to the TireRack NA HQ. Plus, TireRack wanted to charge for lugs/spacers and such, which is how Discount Tire beat their price.

More reports once we get some significant snow.

jpk7

Update on the PA3 having run through a winter. Nearly same performance as OEM tires on dry, excellent snow traction in a few inches of snow, when it approached 12" plus I was still able to get where I wanted to go, but not with the same confidence as the XI2. I would choose the PA3 again if I had to, the few days of slipping a bit more compared to the XI2 were worth the other 90% of the days that I enjoyed the better performance. Night and day difference from OEM tire, I figure it was only a matter of time until an accident or getting stranded with those, truly useless in snow over a few inches.