*Attention* double check your H&R sport springs
02-15-2008, 11:48 AM
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*Attention* double check your H&R sport springs
There seems to be a batch of H&R sport springs on the market with Honda Accord springs (part number 51808) in 3g TL boxes (part number 50104).
There has already been two documented cases, so if you have reccently bought and installed H&R sport springs double checking may be in order.
There has already been two documented cases, so if you have reccently bought and installed H&R sport springs double checking may be in order.
02-15-2008, 12:45 PM
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Good looking out whitegdb.
Too bad to see this; probably just human error, but it creates some difficulty for the consumer.
Hopefully no one assumes the packaging error is a general representation of product quality.
I was provided with the proper product for my application (TL-S Sport Springs part# 50106) and they are a GREAT prodcut from what I have seen so far.
Too bad to see this; probably just human error, but it creates some difficulty for the consumer.
Hopefully no one assumes the packaging error is a general representation of product quality.
I was provided with the proper product for my application (TL-S Sport Springs part# 50106) and they are a GREAT prodcut from what I have seen so far.
02-15-2008, 01:03 PM
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H&R is top quality pretty sure if you e-mail them they'd offer there sincere apologies, might even replace it for you without having to deal with the person you've bought it from
good luck
good luck
02-15-2008, 01:56 PM
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I don't know bout H&R but Comtech lists the same spring for the TL as the Accord V6 .
Maybe it is the same spring just rebadged ,,.. and they just didn't change the badging?
Maybe it is the same spring just rebadged ,,.. and they just didn't change the badging?
02-16-2008, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesstzn
I don't know bout H&R but Comtech lists the same spring for the TL as the Accord V6 .
Maybe it is the same spring just rebadged ,,.. and they just didn't change the badging?
Maybe it is the same spring just rebadged ,,.. and they just didn't change the badging?
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Originally Posted by 260 HP
Eibach Prokit for Accord V6 and 3G TL are also identical, regardless of the different part number.
The rear springs for all 7G Accord, TSX, and 3G TL are also exactly the same.
The rear springs for all 7G Accord, TSX, and 3G TL are also exactly the same.
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02-16-2008, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
We know that you mean to be helpful but pure speculation (i.e. no foundation for aligning what another mfg does to what this mfg does) doesn't really help.
I guess my point being is before everyone panics why not let H&R respond .. they might be one of the many companies that give different part numbers to identical parts for inventory reasons.
The OP is saying there has been 2 documented cases .. in those cases were the springs in fact wrong and returned and replaces or were they just given a different part number but acceptable and correct and do the inteneded job as advertised?
To me a documented case is when the parts in the box DON'T fit the car or fit but don't do the intended job.
02-16-2008, 11:15 AM
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I understand both points but the issue here is that "apparently" the earlier version of the springs were providing the correct front drop (and may well have been a different part number) but the most recent springs no longer drop to where they are suppose to be (and also have a different part number on the box vs. on the parts themselves). I also agree that it's fairly common for a mfg to use a part for multiple purposes but when they do that, they (typically) also "re-label" or at least have the part number on the box match the part number IN the box. So, it really does look like H&R probably does have separate part numbers. It also looks like MMade and Mike (the dealer) are working these "kinks" out so we should probably just let this lie until one of them comes back on here with the final resolution. 
02-16-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
I understand both points but the issue here is that "apparently" the earlier version of the springs were providing the correct front drop (and may well have been a different part number) but the most recent springs no longer drop to where they are suppose to be (and also have a different part number on the box vs. on the parts themselves). I also agree that it's fairly common for a mfg to use a part for multiple purposes but when they do that, they (typically) also "re-label" or at least have the part number on the box match the part number IN the box. So, it really does look like H&R probably does have separate part numbers. It also looks like MMade and Mike (the dealer) are working these "kinks" out so we should probably just let this lie until one of them comes back on here with the final resolution.
02-16-2008, 06:21 PM
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Guy's H&R has told Mike that the 51808 is the same as the 50104. So, why not list both part numbers on the box with the two cars and the spring is beyond me....It could have saved Mike and I a lot of extra time and money. I still don't have an answer for the odd drop, nor does the other owner. I am just the consumer, what do I know? Here is the second set of shocks with the different part numbers. The second time getting this had me pissed off until Mike and I spoke. To a consumer who doesn't know what he is looking at other than matching part numbers, it is very confusing.
02-18-2008, 03:18 PM
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I spoke with H&R and they said the 50104 is the same spring as the 51808. It's all put to rest but it still doesn't explain the height issues. Oh well, I am going to need struts in 6-7 months anyway (30-35 k. miles). The car has settled a little in the front and my eyes are use to it. To all 2004-2006 TL owners, please post your pictures of your car after you install the 51808 to see how it looks.
02-18-2008, 11:54 PM
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^ I've been saying h&r uses the same springs with different part #'s for 04-08 base and 07-08 type s and av6 since day 1, no one believed me (BEARCAT94 
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the issue with the drop maybe a problem of it settling, when actros installed my springs it took almost 2 weeks for the full drop to kick in, then I looked slammed, kind of parked the car for 3 days and then poof came back and I was slammed
)the issue with the drop maybe a problem of it settling, when actros installed my springs it took almost 2 weeks for the full drop to kick in, then I looked slammed, kind of parked the car for 3 days and then poof came back and I was slammed
02-19-2008, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
^ I've been saying h&r uses the same springs with different part #'s for 04-08 base and 07-08 type s and av6 since day 1, no one believed me (BEARCAT94 )
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Originally Posted by mmade22
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I asked them about the type-s springs (50106) and they said it wouldn't fit the standard TL. I left it at that.
I asked them about the type-s springs (50106) and they said it wouldn't fit the standard TL. I left it at that.
Hope you're right about mmade22's drop though and it'll continue to settle.
02-19-2008, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
^ I've been saying h&r uses the same springs with different part #'s for 04-08 base and 07-08 type s and av6 since day 1, no one believed me (BEARCAT94 )
the issue with the drop maybe a problem of it settling, when actros installed my springs it took almost 2 weeks for the full drop to kick in, then I looked slammed, kind of parked the car for 3 days and then poof came back and I was slammed
)the issue with the drop maybe a problem of it settling, when actros installed my springs it took almost 2 weeks for the full drop to kick in, then I looked slammed, kind of parked the car for 3 days and then poof came back and I was slammed
Yes you are right and we were wrong, but you can understand our points. It's all good! You are also right about the springs settling after a while because I looked at the picture of the day after I put them in and the car today and it looks lower.
03-04-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by whitegdb
There seems to be a batch of H&R sport springs on the market with Honda Accord springs (part number 51808) in 3g TL boxes (part number 50104).
There has already been two documented cases, so if you have reccently bought and installed H&R sport springs double checking may be in order.
There has already been two documented cases, so if you have reccently bought and installed H&R sport springs double checking may be in order.
The springs will hopefully go on this weekend but by the 16th at the latest. I'll have pictures posted so you can compare. Should i expect them to settle a bit with time?
01-10-2009, 01:03 AM
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My H&R Springs DONT FIT! I too got the 51808 springs. So installation was dandy until I tried to put the front springs on the car, it turns out the bolt holes on the damper cap is 180degrees off, so the alignment tab thing doesnt line up with the lower fork thingy.. Am I missing something? Also, I notice your springs say H&R O/R, mine says O/E? This totally sucks 
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My H&R Springs DONT FIT! I too got the 51808 springs. So installation was dandy until I tried to put the front springs on the car, it turns out the bolt holes on the damper cap is 180degrees off, so the alignment tab thing doesnt line up with the lower fork thingy.. Am I missing something? Also, I notice your springs say H&R O/R, mine says O/E? This totally sucks
When reinstalling the struts and caps there you're supposed to mark them then re-align them so the bolts will fit the into the strut tower.
Sounds like maybe you got the alignment off by 180*. ???
Double check to be sure. See these posts:
D-091: Front and read damper/shock spring replacement
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/fm-modulators-group-purchase-173827/
Check Page 18-27
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-100/diy-lowering-dropping-your-tl-623631/
1) First of all, take a look at the bottom of the strut. There is one side that has a notch. That must be aligned to the top mounting bracket. If they are not aligned correctly, you'll have a problem.
One of two things will happen if they aren't straight.
a) The bottom strut will sit back on the Fork Bracket, but the top 5 bolts will not fit back into the holes.
or
b) The top five bolts will fit through to the top, and the bottom of the strut will not sit back into the Fork Bracket.
So mark before you remove the spring, mark the notch on the bottom of the strut and make a mark on the Mounting bracket.
One of two things will happen if they aren't straight.
a) The bottom strut will sit back on the Fork Bracket, but the top 5 bolts will not fit back into the holes.
or
b) The top five bolts will fit through to the top, and the bottom of the strut will not sit back into the Fork Bracket.
So mark before you remove the spring, mark the notch on the bottom of the strut and make a mark on the Mounting bracket.
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06-27-2010, 10:47 PM
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My rear appears to be about 1/2" lower than my front. Kind of hard to tell from this picture but it's the best one I could find on short notice:
But i'm still very content with the purchase.
But i'm still very content with the purchase.
07-29-2010, 12:40 AM
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bought mine a few months back but never got a a chance to put it on and now i saw this page i rechecked it and its the same (51808 in 50104 box) so i was wondering if it fit good or is anything wrong gunna happen?
07-29-2010, 08:49 AM
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I received the same spring and questioned it as well, and then spoke to Marcus (Heeltoe Auto) and H&R and they confirmed they were the correct spring. They work great, and you shouldn't have any issues. What year Tl do you have? 5AT or 6MT? Any plans for upgraded shocks?
07-29-2010, 01:19 PM
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Oh thanks...well 05 tl aspec 6mt...im thinking of selling the springs n aspec suspention n get the tein ss...but if i dont get the sell i prolly go with the konis...u have the h&r too right? Dont mind if i ask do u use any camber kit? Or do u think a good alignment will do?
07-29-2010, 02:43 PM
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[quote=Datboit;12215120]Oh thanks...well 05 tl aspec 6mt...im thinking of selling the springs n aspec suspention n get the tein ss...but if i dont get the sell i prolly go with the konis...u have the h&r too right? Dont mind if i ask do u use any camber kit? Or do u think a good alignment will do?[/quote]
Yes, I have the H&R sports combined with the Koni SP3's. I didn't want to replace tires, or worry about them, so I bought an Ingalls rear camber kit, and it works beautifull! The front, I am still debating......only reason is the front left camber is slightly out of spec. A good alignment after everything settles is always good, especially if you choose to go without the camber kit.
Yes, I have the H&R sports combined with the Koni SP3's
. I didn't want to replace tires, or worry about them, so I bought an Ingalls rear camber kit, and it works beautifull! The front, I am still debating......only reason is the front left camber is slightly out of spec. A good alignment after everything settles is always good, especially if you choose to go without the camber kit.
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My H&R Springs DONT FIT! I too got the 51808 springs. So installation was dandy until I tried to put the front springs on the car, it turns out the bolt holes on the damper cap is 180degrees off, so the alignment tab thing doesnt line up with the lower fork thingy.. Am I missing something? Also, I notice your springs say H&R O/R, mine says O/E? This totally sucks
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