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Old Oct 12, 2014 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
Everytime this thread gets bumped I'm afraid to read it because of the impending failure. Normally I would say screw it and go with at least 50% Type F and 50% DexIII but due to the potential binding, the shudder would probably go away but the binding could get worse.

You can always do a single drain and fill with straight type F and see what gets better and what gets worse. If done on a weekend you would have time to swap back if the binding gets worse.

That's just a bandaid unfortunately since it clearly doesn't work right. Honestly, if it is under warranty and if they refuse to help you, I would make sure it doesnt last another 100 miles. PM me if you choose to take that route and I can help you out.

If the shop was smart, they would begin looking into the electronics, it would save all of you some headaches down the road. Sometimes the case itself or the valvebody can have cross leaks. This is exactly why a good shop does not replace just the worn parts. You might have had burned 3rd gear clutches while the rest looked good and I've seem it first hand many times when I would get another shops comebacks, the bad clutches were replaced but the trans weren't actually rebuilt and of course the same failure occurred again. There are dynamic sealing rings on various shafts, lots of rubber seals that have to withstand several hundred psi of hydraulic pressure, stuck valves or broken springs in the valvebody, cross leaks, etc. I've gotten transmissions that were supposedly rebuilt that when taken apart were never rebuilt, just the bare minimum parts replaced while I go in and find an old hardened rubber seal that's bleeding off pressure causing slip and shudder and it usually takes many years and miles before they harden so it's obvious they were never replaced.

I don't mean to go off on a rant but the fact that your car is doing the exact same thing and they're no doing much about it tells me they probably just replaced whatever failed and that's it, no matter what they told you.

Going back over it, I see that the shudder is after the shift (I probably should have re-read the thread first) so it's likely the torque converter. I remember there being a solenoid that goes bad that affects the lockup and leads to slippage and then overheating. That might be one of the linear solenoids they said they replaced. I would at least start there.

I wonder if the solenoid responsible for TCC lockup is external and can be unplugged for testing and importantly if it can be unplugged can it be done without affecting anything else. If you're able to unplug it for testing and the shudder goes away you've found what's doing it.

I can't believe I forgot his username but there's one member on here that's very familiar with it.
So i'm about 4K miles from the warranty being up and it's still having the same symptoms, I did replace two of the tranny mounts (the upper was cracked) but that just helped with the tranny moving around when going over bumps in the road.

My plan was to take my car to a honda/acura specialist shop or dealer and get a second opinion so it's not like I'm blowing smoke when I bring my car back to the tranny shop. What I have noticed now after replacing the tranny mounts is I can feel the shudder more than before and it's more aggressive (honestly feels like whole car shakes).

What I've been doing lately is accelerating quicker in hopes that it causes the transmission to fail sooner. When I do accelerate quicker I can feel the shake/shudder is pretty aggressive. Definitely PM me about failing the tranny in less than 100 miles. I also wonder if this issue I'm about to talk about pertains to pressure.

So sometimes when the car is in 2nd at low rpms building up slowly to 2K, I can tell that the tranny is going to shift into 3rd (I'm lightly pressing on the throttle) then when it shifts into 3rd it'll cause a "bang" and you can feel the tranny move when this happens. I'm not exactly sure what is causing this to happen...

I usually can feel every shift, but I do remember my friends 06' TL very smooth and I didn't feel the shifts at all when I drove it.

So to wrap things up I need to figure something out soon or I will be out of warranty and so to speak SOL.


Originally Posted by mreducated100
Fluid would not make a difference in this case. I have the same issue and I can say that redline d4 helps way more that dw-1. But the issue still exist.
I was honestly thinking of putting OEM tranny fluid in to see if that would help but I was afraid to because I saw that they put this blue stuff on the drain plug. I was thinking that maybe it was used as an indicator to see if I changed the fluid or not. Or... it could be used as a personal "check" indicator to tell them if it was accounted for?
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Old Oct 12, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Due_Diligence
I was honestly thinking of putting OEM tranny fluid in to see if that would help but I was afraid to because I saw that they put this blue stuff on the drain plug. I was thinking that maybe it was used as an indicator to see if I changed the fluid or not. Or... it could be used as a personal "check" indicator to tell them if it was accounted for?
I promise changing the fluid will not help in this case. I first noticed this issue at around 100k miles which was around a year ago. I changed the fluid with a whole case of DW-1 then around 112k or 118k one of the two, I changed to redline d4 using a case also. Helped the issue but still the issue exist. Then 124k, I did 1 drain and fill using redline racing fluid. Helped, but still existed. Today, while the car was running, I disconnected the throttle body to duplicate an issue because there is no way I can believe the transmission is the issue since I had it rebuilt ( @136k miles ) and the problem still exist. By the way, I am at 137k miles now and my transmission never slipped whatsoever. So anyways, the results of the throttle body being unplugged. When I plugged it back in, it started making the car drive and shift weird. Then I reset the engine light and it went back to shudder under light to medium throttle sometimes. So I am believing I am a defective throttle body possibly that is causing this issue. Also, if I am accelerating lightly and once in second gear, if I press the gas pedal ever so slightly, the car moves quicker but the RPMs jump.

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Old Oct 24, 2014 | 09:39 AM
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Just wanted to update quickly...

today I plan on doing a 1x3 drain and fill with OEM ATF, the purpose of this is to check the drain plug and see how much debris has gathered on it. I want to see for myself that something is obviously not right in the tranny, and document it. Hopefully I'll check the filter too while I'm at it.

I also plan on performing the brake test for the torque converter to see if that is the problem. I've been reading more on this shudder issue to see what the possible fixes are (info is gathered from different sites, not acura specific). Different topics came to my attention such as misfires, plugs, maf sensor, pressure, fluid, egr etc. causing the shudder instead of the torque converter itself.

I know there has to be a fix to this issue instead of putting in a new tranny everytime. I'm quite surprised that the tranny still runs the same even though I've had this 1st to 2nd gear shudder shortly after the tranny was rebuilt (6,865miles in). So the internals must be pretty strong to withstand the abuse thus far.

Any thoughts, ideas or comments? Sorry if I missed something that was said earlier in the thread, I just want to get to the bottom of this. Need to gather as much info before I bring it back to the tranny shop for a second time.

I have an 04 base TL navi w/ 153,624 on the clock.
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Old Feb 28, 2017 | 01:14 AM
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OP did you ever find out what the problem was? I'm reviving this thread because I've got the shudder feeling. I see OP is still active on the forums this month.
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