Shudder normal?
Everytime this thread gets bumped I'm afraid to read it because of the impending failure. Normally I would say screw it and go with at least 50% Type F and 50% DexIII but due to the potential binding, the shudder would probably go away but the binding could get worse.
You can always do a single drain and fill with straight type F and see what gets better and what gets worse. If done on a weekend you would have time to swap back if the binding gets worse.
That's just a bandaid unfortunately since it clearly doesn't work right. Honestly, if it is under warranty and if they refuse to help you, I would make sure it doesnt last another 100 miles. PM me if you choose to take that route and I can help you out.
If the shop was smart, they would begin looking into the electronics, it would save all of you some headaches down the road. Sometimes the case itself or the valvebody can have cross leaks. This is exactly why a good shop does not replace just the worn parts. You might have had burned 3rd gear clutches while the rest looked good and I've seem it first hand many times when I would get another shops comebacks, the bad clutches were replaced but the trans weren't actually rebuilt and of course the same failure occurred again. There are dynamic sealing rings on various shafts, lots of rubber seals that have to withstand several hundred psi of hydraulic pressure, stuck valves or broken springs in the valvebody, cross leaks, etc. I've gotten transmissions that were supposedly rebuilt that when taken apart were never rebuilt, just the bare minimum parts replaced while I go in and find an old hardened rubber seal that's bleeding off pressure causing slip and shudder and it usually takes many years and miles before they harden so it's obvious they were never replaced.
I don't mean to go off on a rant but the fact that your car is doing the exact same thing and they're no doing much about it tells me they probably just replaced whatever failed and that's it, no matter what they told you.
Going back over it, I see that the shudder is after the shift (I probably should have re-read the thread first) so it's likely the torque converter. I remember there being a solenoid that goes bad that affects the lockup and leads to slippage and then overheating. That might be one of the linear solenoids they said they replaced. I would at least start there.
I wonder if the solenoid responsible for TCC lockup is external and can be unplugged for testing and importantly if it can be unplugged can it be done without affecting anything else. If you're able to unplug it for testing and the shudder goes away you've found what's doing it.
I can't believe I forgot his username but there's one member on here that's very familiar with it.
You can always do a single drain and fill with straight type F and see what gets better and what gets worse. If done on a weekend you would have time to swap back if the binding gets worse.
That's just a bandaid unfortunately since it clearly doesn't work right. Honestly, if it is under warranty and if they refuse to help you, I would make sure it doesnt last another 100 miles. PM me if you choose to take that route and I can help you out.
If the shop was smart, they would begin looking into the electronics, it would save all of you some headaches down the road. Sometimes the case itself or the valvebody can have cross leaks. This is exactly why a good shop does not replace just the worn parts. You might have had burned 3rd gear clutches while the rest looked good and I've seem it first hand many times when I would get another shops comebacks, the bad clutches were replaced but the trans weren't actually rebuilt and of course the same failure occurred again. There are dynamic sealing rings on various shafts, lots of rubber seals that have to withstand several hundred psi of hydraulic pressure, stuck valves or broken springs in the valvebody, cross leaks, etc. I've gotten transmissions that were supposedly rebuilt that when taken apart were never rebuilt, just the bare minimum parts replaced while I go in and find an old hardened rubber seal that's bleeding off pressure causing slip and shudder and it usually takes many years and miles before they harden so it's obvious they were never replaced.
I don't mean to go off on a rant but the fact that your car is doing the exact same thing and they're no doing much about it tells me they probably just replaced whatever failed and that's it, no matter what they told you.
Going back over it, I see that the shudder is after the shift (I probably should have re-read the thread first) so it's likely the torque converter. I remember there being a solenoid that goes bad that affects the lockup and leads to slippage and then overheating. That might be one of the linear solenoids they said they replaced. I would at least start there.
I wonder if the solenoid responsible for TCC lockup is external and can be unplugged for testing and importantly if it can be unplugged can it be done without affecting anything else. If you're able to unplug it for testing and the shudder goes away you've found what's doing it.
I can't believe I forgot his username but there's one member on here that's very familiar with it.
My plan was to take my car to a honda/acura specialist shop or dealer and get a second opinion so it's not like I'm blowing smoke when I bring my car back to the tranny shop. What I have noticed now after replacing the tranny mounts is I can feel the shudder more than before and it's more aggressive (honestly feels like whole car shakes).
What I've been doing lately is accelerating quicker in hopes that it causes the transmission to fail sooner. When I do accelerate quicker I can feel the shake/shudder is pretty aggressive. Definitely PM me about failing the tranny in less than 100 miles. I also wonder if this issue I'm about to talk about pertains to pressure.
So sometimes when the car is in 2nd at low rpms building up slowly to 2K, I can tell that the tranny is going to shift into 3rd (I'm lightly pressing on the throttle) then when it shifts into 3rd it'll cause a "bang" and you can feel the tranny move when this happens. I'm not exactly sure what is causing this to happen...
I usually can feel every shift, but I do remember my friends 06' TL very smooth and I didn't feel the shifts at all when I drove it.
So to wrap things up I need to figure something out soon or I will be out of warranty and so to speak SOL.
I was honestly thinking of putting OEM tranny fluid in to see if that would help but I was afraid to because I saw that they put this blue stuff on the drain plug. I was thinking that maybe it was used as an indicator to see if I changed the fluid or not. Or... it could be used as a personal "check" indicator to tell them if it was accounted for?
I was honestly thinking of putting OEM tranny fluid in to see if that would help but I was afraid to because I saw that they put this blue stuff on the drain plug. I was thinking that maybe it was used as an indicator to see if I changed the fluid or not. Or... it could be used as a personal "check" indicator to tell them if it was accounted for?
Last edited by mreducated100; Oct 12, 2014 at 10:45 PM.
Just wanted to update quickly...
today I plan on doing a 1x3 drain and fill with OEM ATF, the purpose of this is to check the drain plug and see how much debris has gathered on it. I want to see for myself that something is obviously not right in the tranny, and document it. Hopefully I'll check the filter too while I'm at it.
I also plan on performing the brake test for the torque converter to see if that is the problem. I've been reading more on this shudder issue to see what the possible fixes are (info is gathered from different sites, not acura specific). Different topics came to my attention such as misfires, plugs, maf sensor, pressure, fluid, egr etc. causing the shudder instead of the torque converter itself.
I know there has to be a fix to this issue instead of putting in a new tranny everytime. I'm quite surprised that the tranny still runs the same even though I've had this 1st to 2nd gear shudder shortly after the tranny was rebuilt (6,865miles in). So the internals must be pretty strong to withstand the abuse thus far.
Any thoughts, ideas or comments? Sorry if I missed something that was said earlier in the thread, I just want to get to the bottom of this. Need to gather as much info before I bring it back to the tranny shop for a second time.
I have an 04 base TL navi w/ 153,624 on the clock.
today I plan on doing a 1x3 drain and fill with OEM ATF, the purpose of this is to check the drain plug and see how much debris has gathered on it. I want to see for myself that something is obviously not right in the tranny, and document it. Hopefully I'll check the filter too while I'm at it.
I also plan on performing the brake test for the torque converter to see if that is the problem. I've been reading more on this shudder issue to see what the possible fixes are (info is gathered from different sites, not acura specific). Different topics came to my attention such as misfires, plugs, maf sensor, pressure, fluid, egr etc. causing the shudder instead of the torque converter itself.
I know there has to be a fix to this issue instead of putting in a new tranny everytime. I'm quite surprised that the tranny still runs the same even though I've had this 1st to 2nd gear shudder shortly after the tranny was rebuilt (6,865miles in). So the internals must be pretty strong to withstand the abuse thus far.
Any thoughts, ideas or comments? Sorry if I missed something that was said earlier in the thread, I just want to get to the bottom of this. Need to gather as much info before I bring it back to the tranny shop for a second time.
I have an 04 base TL navi w/ 153,624 on the clock.
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