Pothole vs. TL, need assesment?

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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:53 AM
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Question Pothole vs. TL, need assesment?

So yesterday I was heading to staten Island from Manhattan. As I cross the Battery Tunnel, I Hit a major pothole.

It made a huge sound, so I pulled over the service road and get out of the car. No physical damages done to the wheel or car. However, now I am feeling all the bumps on the road.

Could this be a blown shock? sht I just installed Konis and only have 600 miles on them.

When I get to my destination and meet up with my friends, I make a broken U turn, the car sounds like its draggin a garbage can... i get out to see.. the driver Fender is slighty flip out from the inside.. massive rubbing. I push it back in.. get on the road... now the fender is cutting into the tires......

When I get home I jack up the car. No physicall damages to the wheel. However, my cvtboot seems to be leaking, the car is sitting very low on driver side, cant make left turns wiht out rubbin/pushing out the fender, Tire is shredde, koni appear to be sitting lower on the upper arm than should be....

What can possibly be damaged there?
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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Feal for you dude, lost a tire last night in NJ... pot holes suck. The economy goes down hill and so do the roads.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:26 AM
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Did you take any pics while checking it out?

You say its sitting lower on the driver side.. I assume this is the side you hit the pothole..

Take a couple of pics.. maybe it would help..
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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^^^later today.. it was late last night. I will take pics for sure..

I hoping is not a blown shocks...Even though Koni are lifetime warranty...i am not sure if they will replace it since its techanicaly for accordds.

Could be a bent control arm.

I will def take pics.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:49 AM
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That's what I'm thinking..

The hit was so nasty it blew the shock out and bent the arm in the process.. but what doesn't make it certain is the the rim/tire did not bend or brake..

Or you have one hell of a rim that can stand that hit and transmit the hit directly to the control arm and koni or it's something else buddy..

Hope you can figure it out so you dont loose the tire for the rubbing or damage anything else..
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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sounds like a control arm problem, if you just installed the konis 600 miles ago then there should be no major wear. But then again you said you can feel every bump, it could be both.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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So i have some pics that are uploading.

Tire is done... needed new tires anyways. Rim is EKM3 just installed 2 days ago.

I am not a mechanic but this waht i see...The koni is sitting way to low ont he uper fork...its pratically riding on the axle. I dint feel very bump..correction.. i feel bumps a bit harder. I will pst pics and see what you guys think..

I thikn the impact pushed the koni down on the fork.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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Here are pics of Fender, Tire and Konis Riding the Crap on my axle















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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 04:39 PM
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pot holes

brand new koni....
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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damn jose already, get that fixed fast, dont want any major accidents bro
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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damn jose already, get that fixed fast, dont want any major accidents bro
Yeah man you know my car.. mods have to be done twice.. cant drive the car at all.. left turns are not happenng. lol
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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holy shit your wheels are strong as hell. What are they? enkei something
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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Enkei EKM3 .. brand new .. mounted them on thursday..lol
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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ok jos... after checking out your pics I give my final assesment

front fender (visible damage you already know what that will require)...
strut (we spoke about earlier) koni will likely do a warranty on it for you I hope
lower control arm (is fine)
axle (is fine)
Boot (requires replacing which you already know the cost off)

so $200 + bodywork... def need to bill the city for it
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
ok jos... after checking out your pics I give my final assesment

front fender (visible damage you already know what that will require)...
strut (we spoke about earlier) koni will likely do a warranty on it for you I hope
lower control arm (is fine)
axle (is fine)
Boot (requires replacing which you already know the cost off)

so $200 + bodywork... def need to bill the city for it
You miss one thing: TIRES/
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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So this is what I have to look forward to when I get back.. great! Definitely bill the city for that one man. Make sure you go take photos of the crater before the fill it up.

What's that shit that is sticking out? Is that the fender splash shield or something else?
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Originally Posted by jguerra23
You miss one thing: TIRES/
245/60/18s
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Elegant TYPE S
So this is what I have to look forward to when I get back.. great! Definitely bill the city for that one man. Make sure you go take photos of the crater before the fill it up.

What's that shit that is sticking out? Is that the fender splash shield or something else?
Told you....lol.. thats baby shit aka axle grease.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by enigmaos
245/60/18s
40psi.......did u see anyting on the wheel this morning.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:52 PM
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Looks like it took out a CV joint ... did you mount new wheels with old tires?
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Yup.. new wheels with old tires
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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So far i need the folloing:

Koni replacement: Has anybody here ever use the warranty process/
Tires: Open for suggestions on good all season tires: Rims Spec 18X8 40+ offset.
Cv Boot:
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jguerra23
40psi.......did u see anyting on the wheel this morning.
didn't see anything wrong with that wheel.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jguerra23
So far i need the folloing:

Koni replacement: Has anybody here ever use the warranty process/
Tires: Open for suggestions on good all season tires: Rims Spec 18X8 40+ offset.
Cv Boot:
dude...many, many people have used the warranty. looks like we have another "koni shock slipped through my fork" victim.
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:03 PM
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your so lucky you dont have a low profile tire. if you did, WOW that would be BAD
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:20 PM
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can you really bill the county/city/state if a pothole does damage to you car?
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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So there's no stop to keep the shock from slipping through the collar like that?

Is the Koni firmer than stock? I wonder how the stock shock would've handled the hit.

If the bolt on the collar were torqued to a higher torque, could it possibly have not slipped?
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by robocam
So there's no stop to keep the shock from slipping through the collar like that?

Is the Koni firmer than stock? I wonder how the stock shock would've handled the hit.

If the bolt on the collar were torqued to a higher torque, could it possibly have not slipped?
well on the OEM ones, there's a collar on shock that prevents it from going upwards:
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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Got and update:

Koni said the tab is not structural and its only for aligment purposes. He instructed me to push it up and torque accordingly. Piece of advise on anyone changing suspension.... order the bolt that locks the lower fork.

Tires: Shopping around and this time i am being cheap:
Falken 912 235/40 -18 @ $100 dollars each or Khumo Ecsta @ $75 each on tire rack.

I am ordering a new boot and clamps.. hopefully the axle aint damaged.

The fender is getting hammer in until i get to the body shop. I have work to do on the rear panel so i will take care of that one then as well.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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damn bro, defintely sucks! tab was defintely moved causing the shock to slide thru the fork mount.at least no damage was done to the shock or axle......g' luck with the repairs
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Repairs are coming soon.

Ordere Fork bolts to replace old ones.
Tires will be Falkens 235/40-18
order CV boot kit

Body work can wait.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:33 PM
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let me know... I'll hammer the fender for you kid... but you'll have to pick me up cause i don't have my car right now.... LOL
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:43 PM
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let me know... I'll hammer the fender for you kid... but you'll have to pick me up cause i don't have my car right now.... LOL
Will do sir.. as soon as my car is mobile.
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told you rodney would hook up the fender
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Ok .. question.. the more i look at my setup the more questions I have.

Is this bolt suppose be lined up with this groove






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damn Jose, let me know wassup.. cant Rodney just "roll the fender"????
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmtl2nv
damn Jose, let me know wassup.. cant Rodney just "roll the fender"????

The fender is good.. I had pushed in myself that day just to get back home...

The damge on fender is more towards inner lower part. NO biggy
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Mine doesnt seem to be line up... may this be the reason is sliped?

"The reason for this photo is to show that you have to measure two different things. At about the 2 1/2" point is a piece that I'm going to call the "collar". This collar is removable from the stock shock and is required for the Koni shocks. Before you remove the collar, you want to measure from the bottom of it to the low point where the spring will sit in the spring cup. You also want to measure from the bottom of the collar to that "divot" in the shock body (at about 3 3/4"). The reason for the divot is to clear the bolt that goes through the shock fork."


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Originally Posted by jguerra23
The fender is good.. I had pushed in myself that day just to get back home...

The damge on fender is more towards inner lower part. NO biggy
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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update.

Shocks have been readjusted.

The shocks feel fine so far. Couldnt really hear any sound on the axle...however looking to replace it with aftermarket.

Tires are being replace with Toyo Proxes 4 245/30-18

and possibly minor body work.. but this will be when i take care of the back dent.
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