Normal for Redline Racing ATF to feel shifts?
#1
Normal for Redline Racing ATF to feel shifts?
I did a 3x3 and it might be my fault that maybe more than 3 qts came out and I just need to add a little more fluid. But when I had amsoil in there as I dorve I could not even feel the car shift, maybe because of the friction modifiers but since redline has little to none, is it normal for us to feel a slight bump or thrust (very faint) when the car shifts because it doesn't have these friction modifiers? I know it's better for the transmission but miss the smoothness!
#5
Team Owner
All else being equal, the harder it shifts, the less wear is occuring. You want the clutches to grab quickly when it shifts and not slip into gear. It's the same with a manual transmission. If you were to ride the clutch and release it very slowly after you've already applied the throttle, you wouldn't expect it to last long. That's basically what's happening with Z1. With the Redline it's the same as popping the clutch quickly between gears so there's no slip.
The exception to this is a "bump shift". This is where it shifts super slowly and then finally grabs all at once as the shift is completed. Mine did this on the Z1.
Have you done the switch replacement yet?
The exception to this is a "bump shift". This is where it shifts super slowly and then finally grabs all at once as the shift is completed. Mine did this on the Z1.
Have you done the switch replacement yet?
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#8
Team Owner
You can overfill a little. Mine is always a little above the full mark, no problems.
#9
I Hate Cars, I don't know if I installed the switches flip flopped, I don't think so because I matched the color of each before putting it on, didn't have a computer to double check part numbers at the time, but it feels like it lunges the car forward then shifts and you can feel it, it's quite annoying actually, anything I could do? Do you have this issue too after switching? I know that it's grabbing because of no friction modifiers but want to double check if this is normal, like I can feel third/fourth lunge and shift into the next gear.
#10
Team Owner
I Hate Cars, I don't know if I installed the switches flip flopped, I don't think so because I matched the color of each before putting it on, didn't have a computer to double check part numbers at the time, but it feels like it lunges the car forward then shifts and you can feel it, it's quite annoying actually, anything I could do? Do you have this issue too after switching? I know that it's grabbing because of no friction modifiers but want to double check if this is normal, like I can feel third/fourth lunge and shift into the next gear.
You might double check the switches.
#14
Safety Car
In your second pic, the upper hole is filled with fluid. To me, this indicates that you are full or overfilled.
In addition to those holes in the dipstick indicate "Low" and "Full", those holes also serve as a backup visual reading. It is hard for excess fluid along the guide tube to be able to form a puddle within one of those holes. To form a puddle within one of those holes requires being completely submerged into the fluid
In addition to those holes in the dipstick indicate "Low" and "Full", those holes also serve as a backup visual reading. It is hard for excess fluid along the guide tube to be able to form a puddle within one of those holes. To form a puddle within one of those holes requires being completely submerged into the fluid
#15
During the cold the shifts are rough as in one solid grab which is good compared to slipping but it's kinda like thump after each gear and softens when warm. Like without looking and hearing I feel it shift when IHC said he couldn't feel his at all leading me to believe mine is not supposeto be like this?
#16
Burning Brakes
according to your dipstick pictures it shows that it is full!!!
#18
Racer
It feels like it lunges the car forward then shifts and you can feel it, it's quite annoying actually, anything I could do? Do you have this issue too after switching? I know that it's grabbing because of no friction modifiers but want to double check if this is normal, like I can feel third/fourth lunge and shift into the next gear.
Since my car is a 2007 I never looked in the 3rd 4th gear pressure switches, should I look into doing them before going back to the Redline D4 or whatever is the recommended other fluid? Do you think the switches will help at all with the car? Fluid levels are at the proper location on the dipstick.
The car has 44.5K on the OD, the first transmission flush was with 40,866 miles on the car.
#19
In your second pic, the upper hole is filled with fluid. To me, this indicates that you are full or overfilled.
In addition to those holes in the dipstick indicate "Low" and "Full", those holes also serve as a backup visual reading. It is hard for excess fluid along the guide tube to be able to form a puddle within one of those holes. To form a puddle within one of those holes requires being completely submerged into the fluid
In addition to those holes in the dipstick indicate "Low" and "Full", those holes also serve as a backup visual reading. It is hard for excess fluid along the guide tube to be able to form a puddle within one of those holes. To form a puddle within one of those holes requires being completely submerged into the fluid
#22
Team Owner
Long story short, Redline "racing" fluid or any "type-F" and replace your 3rd and 4th gear switches every 2-3 years and the trans will last forever. Wait too long and it will be burned up before you know it. The reasons why are in those two threads.
#23
During the cold the shifts are rough as in one solid grab which is good compared to slipping but it's kinda like thump after each gear and softens when warm. Like without looking and hearing I feel it shift when IHC said he couldn't feel his at all leading me to believe mine is not supposeto be like this?
#24
Ditto! I did a Mobil1-EP oil change at the same time. My 04 with 66K miles has never run smoother. It shifts smooth and fast, no matter if I am in city traffic or WOT. I had done the switches a couple of months ago and that made a big difference on when it shifts but the Redline F makes all the difference in HOW it shifts.
#26
Burning Brakes
Bump
Sorry to bump an old thread a quick google search pulled up this thread. I can't deal with the lunging that I'm feeling with the RL Racing ATF 1x3 done.
I have been using D4 for the last 30k miles. My car is just past 150k miles and I decided I wanted more quick, crisp shifts that everyone was mentioning for the Racing.
Well since I bought the fluid locally as not too many places carry Redline, I didn't want to take it at the quicklube places(bad experiences there), so called my local dealer to schedule me in for a Saturday. I bought the fluid that very morning.
They scheduled me in, told them I needed an ATF drain/refill done on my car but I would be supplying my own fluid. Bought 3qts Racing and 1 qt. D4 just to be safe since my cars sometimes drains 3.5 qts or just a lil over 3qts.
Well my dealer used 2 qt racing and 1 qt D4 when I told them to put 3 qts Racing. What's done is done, now I am worried that tranny is on its way out? or is it normal for the first 1x3 change to show such rough shifts?
Sometimes on light throttle it shifts right before 2k rpms and when its WOT its around 3k rpms. It works up to the next shift point then car jerks/lunges me a bit when it does shift.
I thought I would feel the better shifts but doing this 1x3 change is rough, so I know I need to do another change in a week but will it always be this rough?
Sorry to bump an old thread a quick google search pulled up this thread. I can't deal with the lunging that I'm feeling with the RL Racing ATF 1x3 done.
I have been using D4 for the last 30k miles. My car is just past 150k miles and I decided I wanted more quick, crisp shifts that everyone was mentioning for the Racing.
Well since I bought the fluid locally as not too many places carry Redline, I didn't want to take it at the quicklube places(bad experiences there), so called my local dealer to schedule me in for a Saturday. I bought the fluid that very morning.
They scheduled me in, told them I needed an ATF drain/refill done on my car but I would be supplying my own fluid. Bought 3qts Racing and 1 qt. D4 just to be safe since my cars sometimes drains 3.5 qts or just a lil over 3qts.
Well my dealer used 2 qt racing and 1 qt D4 when I told them to put 3 qts Racing. What's done is done, now I am worried that tranny is on its way out? or is it normal for the first 1x3 change to show such rough shifts?
Sometimes on light throttle it shifts right before 2k rpms and when its WOT its around 3k rpms. It works up to the next shift point then car jerks/lunges me a bit when it does shift.
I thought I would feel the better shifts but doing this 1x3 change is rough, so I know I need to do another change in a week but will it always be this rough?
Last edited by MandoTL; 12-06-2013 at 04:03 PM.
#27
Team Owner
Lunging with Type F fluid usually indicates the switches are in need of replacement.
#28
Burning Brakes
And it happens on cold start and when the car is already warmed up. It feels worse than when I had the DW-1 in there only difference was shifts took longer to change creating the lunging affect as opposed to Type F shifting soon and rough. With D4 it drove just about right but shifts could have happened sooner which is why I started to do the 3x3 process with Racing than 2qts Racing and 1 qt D4.
Last edited by MandoTL; 12-06-2013 at 05:00 PM.
#29
Team Owner
If the car is up shifting at 3k rpm at full throttle as you mentioned earlier, it's not the fluid you need to worry about.
#30
Burning Brakes
Today its been shifting fine no problems, they shift around 2-2.5k rpms on light to mid throttle. So hmmm... its so weird.
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