supra98

i know its not a good pic, but maybe somebody expirenced this or will know how much $$ to fix.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

Ummmmm what are we looking at??????
What problems are you having?

supra98

um..that big CRACK...lower bottom

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

We can't see the extent of the damage.
Take a better picture, showing the crack.

Because the picture is not showing the crack, it just looks like a scuff mark to me.

*edit*
How does one help another, when there are no details provided?

So is it leaking? is it causing your brakes to be not as effective?
work with us, so we can work with you.

supra98

oh ok, ill try to take one later on, i just thought i show this one for now.. the crack is right below the U shaped...um brake line i think thats what it is..

supra98

Nothing is leaking... there is a crack in a welded mount that i welded to the sub frame.

guitarplayer16

iTrader: (8)

Ah shit what happened?

Maybe try angling the camera better and point out the crack in MS Paint...

supra98

curbed and hit a sign...ya ill take better ones this afternoon, just thought i throw this one for now..

csmeance

ouch! Sorry to hear! It looks like the lower control arm is bent and the half steering rack looks to be bent slightly. You going to need a new headlight, bumper, lower passenger foglight and grille! Is this going through insurance?

supra98

thx MOd for fixing the post for me..

unfortunatly its not going through insurance..

NE14RoxCJ

Is that subframe supposed to be pulled in like that on the right side of the first pic? Looks like that is the rear mount of the lower arm. Front mount of the lower arm is the compliance bushing. That would be another place to look for damage. Not good.

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

You can always measure the distance from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel on each side and the difference will be how far back the suspension has been pushed. If you had a good lower arm that could be installed, if it would fit after the accident that would then give you an idea of how much damage is done after taking another measurement. With that weld broken, I’d put it up on a rack and check all the specs to see how much damage was done to the subframe and go from there. With some hydraulic assistance, heat, time and welding, most anything can be fixed.

navarretg

Damn Joe?? Sorry for all that damage from hitting a sign. Let me know if you need anything. Are you goin to re-use the headlight some how? Pm and let me know.

I hate cars

You need a rack, subframe, and lower control arm at a minimum.

I've been there before. The rack is like glass, any little thing will damage it. Acura does not condone repairing the subframe and will only replace it. The lca should be replaced because it's likely bent and you don't want to chance it having a crack. Also, the compliance bushing is probably damaged. More than likely wheel bearings too.

YeuEmMaiMai

time for you to pony up about 4K or make an insurance claim.

1. replace front bumper
2. repalce passenger headlight
3. repalce lower control arm
4. replace ENTIRE subframe
5. redo fender
6. replace misc parts on passenger side around the headlight

supra98

pmd' thats what imma try to do..

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

Acura has no equipment to straighten the subframe, and as far as Acura not condoning the repairing, there are a lot of items that Acura doesn't agree with, but some seem to do it anyway....Like ATF fluid.

Couldn't resist.

I hate cars

One is a safety item. One is a fluid. Z1 sucks period.

I personally don't want them welding new brackets on my subframe or bending them back into place. Once that aluminum is bent chances are the strength is compromised.

melvin2816

iTrader: (4)

I wish you best of luck on getting your car back to normal.
Donot forget that I will give you the lower foglight grill so you dont have to buy one.

Majofo

Why? Are you telling us you're not insured?

supra98

1800 in parts and 945 in labor?!?! what yall think?

BradE

Honestly? I would have guessed more than 1800 for parts. The headlight alone is about $500.

supra98

This is not including body work or body parts...this is just suspension to get my car back in a drivable condition

lilsid112

iTrader: (7)

I would just make a claim and get your car back in working order.

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

No problem with repairing the subframe, if it's done correctly. In fact, if you look at the FSM, it will supply all the dimensions needed when repairing the frame(s). The title is Frame Repair Chart.

Safety? How about aluminum wheel repairs? They do repairs on wheels that are bent and cracked!

AMUA6

iTrader: (7)

OP go through insurance and save yourself a headache

I hate cars

Maybe if they're going to x-ray the welds afterwards. In my experience with aluminum it's brittle and cracks easily when bent.

Chances are the subframe is going to have to come out of the car for repair to weld anyway. Why not just install a new one instead of taking a chance on the welding/straightening. Once the metal is bent...twice... it's not going to have the same strength as it did before. It may show up as additional NVH or you might not notice it at all. There's always the chance it can alter the crashworthiness of the car. A longshot I know, but why take the chance when we're talking about a relatively small difference in price.

It just seems like whenever repairs like this are done the car is never the same anymore. Replacing the subframe can get it into "like new" condition again.

Splke

iTrader: (1)

I have to agree with ^^^^. It is very unsafe and not recommended to repair aluminum subframes by welding and
straightening, the strenght and dynamics of the aluminum would change. I work on airplanes and working with aluminum is a big part of that.

Turbonut

iTrader: (1)

Wasn’t going to reply but it looks as though people won’t let it die.
The frame doesn’t need to come out to be repaired and the above statement is totally untrue as it’s totally dependent upon how and at what temperature the aluminum is heated and the type of equipment used to do the repair.

Just an FYI, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Lamborghini, etc, actually have and use factory authorized aluminum frame repair centers.

So much for not being able to make repairs on aluminum subframes. Hopefully we're done.

supra98

Haha, seemed like this did die! But im ressurecting it because i am less than 24hrs of getting my car back!!

Subframe, Subframe mounts, Wheel bearing, Axle, Strut, Lower arm, Knuckle.......Is what i needed...WOW!!

guitarplayer16

iTrader: (8)

Holy, how much is all that?

supra98

lets just say 1950$ in parts to start!

deantl

ouch!

I hate cars

I'm still unsure as to why you would pay well over $2,000 out of pocket instead of filing a claim.

supra98

If it was going through an insurance claim, I would have never posted this thread

Timb227

iTrader: (3)

The question is...

Why did you not file a claim to begin with?

guitarplayer16

iTrader: (8)

How fast were you going to hit a curb and a sign?

1islandparadise

Just tell them you hit a Moose, or equivalent to where you live. My insurance company is extremely flexible with repairs....

supra98

Lol..maybe cause its the fully covered...from what I remember 40-45 mph