6MT Popping out of 3rd gear
#1
6MT Popping out of 3rd gear
I just got a 2005 6 Speed Manual Acura TL and have noticed that it likes to pop out third gear or have trouble going in to third gear I read up on it and found that "GM Synchromesh Friction Modified" transmission fluid helps this issue. However, I would like to know if there is any other option that works similarly that I can buy at an AutoZone or PepBoys rather than ordering the fluid online, Thanks!
#3
the overexplainer
GM dealers have an AC Delco fluid that is the same thing. Make sure you specify friction modified Syncromesh.
there's a TSB but dealers aren't obligated to do the work for free like a recall. Fluid is way cheaper.
there's a TSB but dealers aren't obligated to do the work for free like a recall. Fluid is way cheaper.
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I thought the fluid helped make for smoother shifts and made it so there was no grinding going INTO 3rd gear. I didnt know fluid had anything to do with the tranny popping out of third gear. Are you guys sure he doesnt need to have the synchro TSB performed? Sounds like his issue wouldnt be fixed just by changing to the GM fluid.
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the overexplainer
I thought the fluid helped make for smoother shifts and made it so there was no grinding going INTO 3rd gear. I didnt know fluid had anything to do with the tranny popping out of third gear. Are you guys sure he doesnt need to have the synchro TSB performed? Sounds like his issue wouldnt be fixed just by changing to the GM fluid.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/gm-synchromesh-oil-3g-tl-shifts-nicely-now-833039/
the bottle i got from the GM dealer is:
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I thought the fluid helped make for smoother shifts and made it so there was no grinding going INTO 3rd gear. I didnt know fluid had anything to do with the tranny popping out of third gear. Are you guys sure he doesnt need to have the synchro TSB performed? Sounds like his issue wouldnt be fixed just by changing to the GM fluid.
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^^^ oh I know that stuff works magic I used it in my 07 and 08 6mt Type S's and solved those issues in both of them. It's pretty shitty though that like 98% of the 6mt trannys have issues.
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nope, see post #6:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833039
the bottle i got from the GM dealer is:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833039
the bottle i got from the GM dealer is:
http://www.google.com/search?q=gm+sy...4%3B768%3B1024
#17
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There are two things you can do to eliminate the 3rd gear problems with the Acura/Honda 6MT transmission. One of these must be done from new... either with the original owner or after a rebuild or replacement of the transmission. 1) Always double clutch your downshifts... always. 2) Use the GMSFM fluid. The item that should be done from new or after a rebuild/replacement is double clutching downshifts. If you do this, you should never have any 3rd gear problems.
I am the original owner of an '04 manual TL and have never experienced any of the transmission, or clutch, problems which have been reported on these forums. It is as pristine and sure shifting now at 98,200 miles, as it was when I bought it. I first used the GMSFM fluid at 15,500 miles and have used it since. But the real fix is double clutching. This is what's going to save your synchronizers from undue wear. If you need help with this, I have written a ton of postings on these forums so a search will turn up a lot of information for you.
I am the original owner of an '04 manual TL and have never experienced any of the transmission, or clutch, problems which have been reported on these forums. It is as pristine and sure shifting now at 98,200 miles, as it was when I bought it. I first used the GMSFM fluid at 15,500 miles and have used it since. But the real fix is double clutching. This is what's going to save your synchronizers from undue wear. If you need help with this, I have written a ton of postings on these forums so a search will turn up a lot of information for you.
#19
the overexplainer
The part number I show for the 12377916 replacement is 10953509;
http://www.google.com/search?q=gm+sy...4%3B768%3B1024
http://www.google.com/search?q=gm+sy...4%3B768%3B1024
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#23
it's a car-drive it
There are two things you can do to eliminate the 3rd gear problems with the Acura/Honda 6MT transmission. One of these must be done from new... either with the original owner or after a rebuild or replacement of the transmission. 1) Always double clutch your downshifts... always. 2) Use the GMSFM fluid. The item that should be done from new or after a rebuild/replacement is double clutching downshifts. If you do this, you should never have any 3rd gear problems.
I am the original owner of an '04 manual TL and have never experienced any of the transmission, or clutch, problems which have been reported on these forums. It is as pristine and sure shifting now at 98,200 miles, as it was when I bought it. I first used the GMSFM fluid at 15,500 miles and have used it since. But the real fix is double clutching. This is what's going to save your synchronizers from undue wear. If you need help with this, I have written a ton of postings on these forums so a search will turn up a lot of information for you.
I am the original owner of an '04 manual TL and have never experienced any of the transmission, or clutch, problems which have been reported on these forums. It is as pristine and sure shifting now at 98,200 miles, as it was when I bought it. I first used the GMSFM fluid at 15,500 miles and have used it since. But the real fix is double clutching. This is what's going to save your synchronizers from undue wear. If you need help with this, I have written a ton of postings on these forums so a search will turn up a lot of information for you.
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2314764
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I bought that fluid back in 2011 in San Diego. I've read that the other ac delco part is for Canada.
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2314764
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2314764
#28
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- Remove foot from throttle.
- Depress clutch.
- Move shifter into chosen lower gear.
- Slowly release clutch
then you are not doing one of the major reasons clutches wear out prematurely. The other major no-no is holding the car on a hill or rocking it back and forth with the clutch. Obviously drag racing is a whole different thing of its own.
#29
it's a car-drive it
I you are not doing this when downshifting;
then you are not doing one of the major reasons clutches wear out prematurely. The other major no-no is holding the car on a hill or rocking it back and forth with the clutch. Obviously drag racing is a whole different thing of its own.
- Remove foot from throttle.
- Depress clutch.
- Move shifter into chosen lower gear.
- Slowly release clutch
then you are not doing one of the major reasons clutches wear out prematurely. The other major no-no is holding the car on a hill or rocking it back and forth with the clutch. Obviously drag racing is a whole different thing of its own.
#30
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There are a number of factors that can prematurely wear out a clutch assembly and a few are beyond the control of the operator. Faulty or poor quality parts, improper installation, fluids leaking on the friction surfaces... Any of these can bring a clutch to the end of its life in short order. However, the majority of factors lies with the operator. And there are a bunch of them.
Some years back, maybe 6+ or so, I read an article written by a man who lived in either Chicago or Detroit (don't recall which city). He wrote an calls column for a news rag and the article I read was about him. He had a '92 Acura Integra as I recall with a 5-speed manual. His commute was long, about 120 miles each day. At the time of him writing this article, he had racked up 315,000 miles on his Integra and it still had the original factory installed clutch. He described his technique he employed, which pretty much mirrored my own, and expected to get a bit more mileage before replacing his clutch.
While this is pretty high mileage, most people replace their cars well before this, it didn't surprise me. Like you, I have never replaced a clutch under normal conditions (did replace one at 8,000 miles when a seal broke and leaked engine oil on the clutch). I am a firm believer in the idea that people should do what they want and wish with their own property... after all, it is theirs to do as they see fit. I will offer suggestions when questions arise as to how they might improve some things.
Best to you and thanks for posting.
Some years back, maybe 6+ or so, I read an article written by a man who lived in either Chicago or Detroit (don't recall which city). He wrote an calls column for a news rag and the article I read was about him. He had a '92 Acura Integra as I recall with a 5-speed manual. His commute was long, about 120 miles each day. At the time of him writing this article, he had racked up 315,000 miles on his Integra and it still had the original factory installed clutch. He described his technique he employed, which pretty much mirrored my own, and expected to get a bit more mileage before replacing his clutch.
While this is pretty high mileage, most people replace their cars well before this, it didn't surprise me. Like you, I have never replaced a clutch under normal conditions (did replace one at 8,000 miles when a seal broke and leaked engine oil on the clutch). I am a firm believer in the idea that people should do what they want and wish with their own property... after all, it is theirs to do as they see fit. I will offer suggestions when questions arise as to how they might improve some things.
Best to you and thanks for posting.
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I didn't have a 3rd gear problem, but I just put the AC Delco Friction Modified Synchromesh anyway. Duuuuuuuuude. The shifter literally feels like butter with a really hot knife. I can almost hear my synchro's saying thank you! I changed MTF about a year ago with Acura stuff. It wasn't too bad, but this stuff is way better. So +1 to everyone who said do it.
#37
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Yup. Mine hadn't been done before. got the fluid for $8 a quart instead of the $20 retail cost so it was very cheap and easy to do. Hardest part was breaking the drain and fill plugs loose.
#38
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Haha yeah man that fill plug is a bish. I use Craftsman socket extensions and they twist so much before it breaks loose! I almost broke the windshield the first time I was doing this because my cheater bar flew off when the plug broke loose lol. The drain isn't so bad since you don't need extensions.
#39
5th Gear
I just got a 2005 6 Speed Manual Acura TL and have noticed that it likes to pop out third gear or have trouble going in to third gear I read up on it and found that "GM Synchromesh Friction Modified" transmission fluid helps this issue. However, I would like to know if there is any other option that works similarly that I can buy at an AutoZone or PepBoys rather than ordering the fluid online, Thanks!
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