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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Ok...I've had enough of my wobble. I am really at a loss. I wish I wasn't out of warranty. I went to a rack and pinion/cv specialist and they told me they felt the wobble but can't see anything wrong underneath. I've turned back to the dealership. I'm hoping this ends up being a stupid issue. I have an appointment next Wednesday and I'm hoping to have some recourse at this point. I'm tired of having people agree that there's something wrong but nothing they can find to fix it.

I originally went thru a hookup at the dealership where the shop foreman told me it was the driver axle that was the problem. Changed it and it's still there. He won't return my calls and it's left me with little recourse. At this point, the wobble is the ONLY thing keeping me from loving this car. It looks great...drives great...pretty decent gas mileage...but the wobble makes me want to get rid of it.

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 05:14 AM
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They just told me their is a TSB about it so it seems to be a known problem.
Ask your dealer for a copy of the TSB. We'd love to see it!
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 07:15 AM
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Ok...I've had enough of my wobble. I am really at a loss. I wish I wasn't out of warranty. I went to a rack and pinion/cv specialist and they told me they felt the wobble but can't see anything wrong underneath. I've turned back to the dealership. I'm hoping this ends up being a stupid issue. I have an appointment next Wednesday and I'm hoping to have some recourse at this point. I'm tired of having people agree that there's something wrong but nothing they can find to fix it.

I originally went thru a hookup at the dealership where the shop foreman told me it was the driver axle that was the problem. Changed it and it's still there. He won't return my calls and it's left me with little recourse. At this point, the wobble is the ONLY thing keeping me from loving this car. It looks great...drives great...pretty decent gas mileage...but the wobble makes me want to get rid of it.

Fingers crossed.
rockstar143,

Is your car a WEEBLE?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0OQBdIhsc
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Weebles may Wobble, but they DON'T fall down!
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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You know what...YES, it is a friggin weeble...at least now I have something to tell the stupid dealership. And yes, it also does NOT fall down. Lol.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
You know what...YES, it is a friggin weeble...at least now I have something to tell the stupid dealership. And yes, it also does NOT fall down. Lol.
Sounds like my problem!! (or one of them at least)
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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^^^are you serious? Or just effin around? I'm dying to find someone else that can help me figure this out. WTF is it?!?!?
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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^^^are you serious? Or just effin around? I'm dying to find someone else that can help me figure this out. WTF is it?!?!?
I reread what your problem is, it's a wobble on acceleration, correct? I have a wobble/shimmy at around 70mph and above in the steering wheel. The steering wheel will move back and forth about 1/32 of an inch, just enough to notice it... and be annoying. If I get mine figured out, I'll definitely let you know.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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Thanks man...yours may be a high speed balance, no? Mine is worse...it's basically every gear but MOST noticeable and annoying in 2nd...2500 rpms to 3500 rpms the car itself shimmy's back and forth...like I see my valentine one moving side to side and everything. VERY annoying.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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Thanks man...yours may be a high speed balance, no? Mine is worse...it's basically every gear but MOST noticeable and annoying in 2nd...2500 rpms to 3500 rpms the car itself shimmy's back and forth...like I see my valentine one moving side to side and everything. VERY annoying.
You said you had the front end checked out, but what about the back, maybe a bad lower control arm bushing?? If the whole car is shimming, maybe it is the rear. Do you feel it in the steering wheel??
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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Hmmm...not really...mostly just the car itself. Bad rear lower control arm bushing? How can I tell? I HOPE you're onto something...trust me...I'd fly to where you're at and give you a hug.

I did strip one of the endlinks on the rear strut bar, but I replaced it. Should be ok.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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I assumed since it was worse in 2nd gear it was the front I guess.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Hmmm...not really...mostly just the car itself. Bad rear lower control arm bushing? How can I tell? I HOPE you're onto something...trust me...I'd fly to where you're at and give you a hug.

I did strip one of the endlinks on the rear strut bar, but I replaced it. Should be ok.
:gheyhug:..

fyi.. beer is appropriate..
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Hey man...cut me some slack, at least I didn't say I see him around and know someone he does! I'll leave the option up to him...beer...hug, or both. But not simultaneously...
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Hey man...cut me some slack, at least I didn't say I see him around and know someone he does! I'll leave the option up to him...beer...hug, or both. But not simultaneously...
.. ah just messing with you.. I can understand your frustrations.. true that on the last point..

Keep us updated!.. I love troubleshooting the TL, sometimes I think everything's an issue though.. so I breathe and say, relax, it's normal.. ........ (waiting until wheel falls off)
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blokhead
I reread what your problem is, it's a wobble on acceleration, correct? I have a wobble/shimmy at around 70mph and above in the steering wheel. The steering wheel will move back and forth about 1/32 of an inch, just enough to notice it... and be annoying. If I get mine figured out, I'll definitely let you know.
Exactly the problem I have, noted in the first couple pages. Mines been balanced at least 3 times and alignment is as close to spec as possible, and still checked again since.

My bushings are cracked.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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Hey Rockstar,

Can you give me your details?
Year, trans, upgrades, etc...

And what are all the symptoms?
Hot, cold?
Accel, coast, or decel?
Always the same road speed or trans speed?
What happens around corners in the specified problem range?
Shimmy in steering wheel or seat base?
When EXACTLY did this start to happen?
How many miles on the car?
Factory rims/ tires?
Any brake mods?
Both drive axles replaced?
Has the trans. had the 3rd gear update? (I assume it's a M/T)
If so, did it start after this??
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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Thank you for all the information guys...figured this out. I know others are lowered lower than I was...but my axles in particular did NOT like being slammed. I was tucking some tire...brought it up to 1 tight finger gap and I'm straight now. The axles and wobble completely disappeared. I didn't have a camber kit so who knows...that might have helped...but really...IMO giving up 3/4" of drop for the car to drive awesome is well worth it. Fixed it on Wed...got it realigned yesterday and this car is the love of my life once again.

Thank you all for your questions and e-troubleshooting!
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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Glad to hear!

I know how it feels to drive with an elusive problem.
But once it got figured out....it's like the heavens opened and a beam of light shines down on the car!
...well...almost
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 01:05 AM
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wonder if this is why my stock michlins are almost bald at 25k??? in the front?

i bought the car with 17k and have yet to rotate the tires but you think the wouldnt need it yet, bein that acura should of done it ...

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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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Yes...it's exactly like that...I swear...I'm giddy to drive it once again knowing that I won't be feeling that dreaded wobble and will only enjoy it.

About rotating tires...it's front drive so your fronts will go faster. I rotate ever 5K miles when I change my synthetic oil. If you've never done it...rotate them before it's too late! About people doing what they're supposed to do on their own...they usually don't so don't bank on it!
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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Anyone have any updates? Someone said a TSB was issued, but usually they appear on this forum pretty quickly. I put a A-spec on my care and saw mine are starting to tear, not as bad as what as pictured here, Yet!!
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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I have an 05 with 43K miles and both passenger and driver side bushings are torn. I don't notice any handling side effects though.
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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I have an 07 TLS with about 32k on it. Checked mine today and are fine. I was not running any drop prior to today We'll see how the next 32k turnout with the drop.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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I know back from the dead, but tripnbeats any update on the bushings you had in the works. I plan to change my bushings soon, to see if this will correct my steering issues.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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I know back from the dead, but tripnbeats any update on the bushings you had in the works. I plan to change my bushings soon, to see if this will correct my steering issues.
+1..
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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took my 06 tl to Niello Acura, They took pictures of the bushing submitted then to Acura and this coming wednseday they are changing them, Thanks to AZ and this thread, My tl is lowered and still being covered under the warranty
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 11:32 PM
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took my 06 tl to Niello Acura, They took pictures of the bushing submitted then to Acura and this coming wednseday they are changing them, Thanks to AZ and this thread, My tl is lowered and still being covered under the warranty
yoh Warren, I have the same issue... HELP!
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 07:28 AM
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I don't those of us with aftermarket suspension will be as lucky
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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acording to what the Niello Service department stated to me they are seeing it in all 3G tl's, They simply took picture to document sent to Acura and they said replace this is not just on lowered cars but all TL's, Roger take your to Fresno Acura, ask them to look at and send to Acura, suspect they are taking care of to perhaps not getting a NTSB recall. Roger you know my TL I was pleasantly surprised they offered to replace I will update after Wednseday on handling, clunk noise and what else they say
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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I was test mounting my new winter rims/tires today and saw the same thing. 38k on the clock

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Going to have to schedule an appointment soon as my warrant is up in February.
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 02:44 AM
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HEY GRATE WRITEUP,TX, BUT UNFORTUNATELY MINE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE PIC ABOVE!!
WHAT DO U MEAN IS NOT RELIABLE TO STAMP OUT THE OLD BUSHING??
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CARS BUT FROM FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW FOR THE PRICE OF GETTING 2 NEW CONTROL ARMS I RATHER STAMP OUT THE BUSHING EVERY YEAR, SINCE I THINK I'LL BE RUNNING INTO THIS IN 2 YEARS THE MOST!!
WHAT'S WITH THE CAPS??!!
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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Got my TL back Friday they had the car 2 days what adifference no more noise, has a new car ride they also did a wheel alignment all at no charge. Again this not only happening to lowered TL but ALL TL's, The road to getting it repaired is very simple take your TL to the dealer have them take a picture and submit to Acura, looked at mine on Wednseday they called me back 2 days later and asked me to bring back ASAP, they had TL 2 days, suppplied me with a loaner, TL feels like new with according to the dealer to new and improved bushing, They actually replaced the whole assy.
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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So has Acura revised this bushing yet? Or are they just replacing arms using the same old bushings?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wps007
Got my TL back Friday they had the car 2 days what adifference no more noise, has a new car ride they also did a wheel alignment all at no charge. Again this not only happening to lowered TL but ALL TL's, The road to getting it repaired is very simple take your TL to the dealer have them take a picture and submit to Acura, looked at mine on Wednseday they called me back 2 days later and asked me to bring back ASAP, they had TL 2 days, suppplied me with a loaner, TL feels like new with according to the dealer to new and improved bushing, They actually replaced the whole assy.
my dealership did the pictures and submitted them. told me to pack sand because of aftermarket suspension and 19" wheels. not all dealerships are created equal.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 01:52 AM
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my dealership did the pictures and submitted them. told me to pack sand because of aftermarket suspension and 19" wheels. not all dealerships are created equal.
That blows.. your service shop are a bunch of assholes.. this is an obvious design issue.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 03:25 AM
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So has Acura revised this bushing yet? Or are they just replacing arms using the same old bushings?
Still the same...You can buy the bushing and push it in yourself if your up to the task. I recently knocked mine out all I need to do is push mine in. One side was ok while the other side had a pretty big tear. The bushing is like 20 bucks or so and a lca is 230 so I went with the bushing lol.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 06:13 AM
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did you have to get them machine pressed?
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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My friend has a 20 ton press. I still need to press them in whene I get the chance. I am out of town right now so I cant work on the car. I will press them in within the next week or so.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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Still the same...You can buy the bushing and push it in yourself if your up to the task. I recently knocked mine out all I need to do is push mine in. One side was ok while the other side had a pretty big tear. The bushing is like 20 bucks or so and a lca is 230 so I went with the bushing lol.
I would, but I def don't wanna have to go through all that again if they tear in 5,000mi..

I'm really eager to hear how Trippinbeats urethane bushings worked out. I get the feeling that this is the best thing we could do.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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^+1 waiting on tripnbeats' update with the urethane ...
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