The second leg of my J series journey...my race built J35A8

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Hey,gerzand i saw your idle video on youtube i commented.... i was wondering with the level 2 cams did you get bisimotos valve springs as well? and if so did you get the retainers? would i need the retainers for stage 2? im very interested in caming my j35..although im a little worried because its an auto :/
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^^^ i will wait for Andy to answer that
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Originally Posted by Thatcarguy1994
Hey,gerzand i saw your idle video on youtube i commented.... i was wondering with the level 2 cams did you get bisimotos valve springs as well? and if so did you get the retainers? would i need the retainers for stage 2? im very interested in caming my j35..although im a little worried because its an auto :/
I'm not going to blatently go against Bisimoto's recommendations, but I suspect that the stage 2 cams could work operate safely without those parts. But if you want to ensure over-rev protection on a 6speed, surely get them.
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Cool build!

Do you have a full spec sheet for your build or are you keeping it secret?

Why did you go with the Honda 3.5 intake manifold over the original TL-S IM? Where did you mount the IAT sensor?

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Originally Posted by gwiffer
Cool build!

Do you have a full spec sheet for your build or are you keeping it secret?

Why did you go with the Honda 3.5 intake manifold over the original TL-S IM? Where did you mount the IAT sensor?
Huh?

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How in the fk did I miss this thread...
Awesome, awesome work, Andy. Holy sh*t...you've come a long way from blinking sidemarker threads.

I wish I had bigger balls so I could make my car a beast like yours. In the meantime, I'll just have to settle for how she drives now.
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How in the fk did I miss this thread...
Awesome, awesome work, Andy. Holy sh*t...you've come a long way from blinking sidemarker threads.

I wish I had bigger balls so I could make my car a beast like yours. In the meantime, I'll just have to settle for how she drives now.
U and me both brother...I was like Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Originally Posted by gerzand
I'm not going to blatently go against Bisimoto's recommendations, but I suspect that the stage 2 cams could work operate safely without those parts. But if you want to ensure over-rev protection on a 6speed, surely get them.
I installed the Bisimoto level 2 cams on my J32 with the Springs and retainers, 'cause honda oem retainers has a tendency to crack over time under abuse. At least with the B series engines

Once you get the proper tool an setup it was not too bad to change with the heads still on engine.
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Huh?
That's the Honda Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline style intake manifold. It might be the 3.7L TL-SHAWD, but I'll have to wait for gerzand to confirm.
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Looks great!

I'm curious though, why no tint?
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Trade you back your old shocks/springs for your car?
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Looks great!

I'm curious though, why no tint?
I also would want ppl to see my devilish grin +
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Amazing build. love to see fellow Ohioans doing it big.. subscribed!!
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I think he is running the 2012 Manifold and TB....
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naw...he swapped over to a 5.0L coyote motor...he has you all fooled.
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Originally Posted by Healingduck

I'm curious though, why no tint?
Weight.
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what did you wire the cutout to?
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Andy, any updates?!?!
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Originally Posted by 04socalTL
what did you wire the cutout to?
the switch it came with, though ive been thinking about hooking it up to the ms3 on a hybrid rpm & timer based output. It would be risky though as it might end up overheating the gear drive motor during track time, in which case id prolly disable it, as well as disable it during "quiet" city driving.

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Andy, any updates?!?!
Sure, big projects going on


First gen J series heads with true headers, much larger exhaust valves as well as slightly larger intake valves

A custom tubular manifold

nitrous

Stay tuned

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Originally Posted by gerzand
the switch it came with, though ive been thinking about hooking it up to the ms3 on a hybrid rpm & timer based output. It would be risky though as it might end up overheating the gear drive motor during track time, in which case id prolly disable it, as well as disable it during "quiet" city driving.
THIS !!!

dude i have been telling you if you can open/close the valve using a rpm based output it would be awesome....

how about wiring it to the manifold butterfly (am thinking out loud).....so as the rpm increases the butterfly opens and hence the valve opens....

or you can just have it on a digital pulse....so at 5000 rpm the MS3 sends out a signal opening the valve and below 5000rpm the valve stays closed...


Originally Posted by gerzand
Sure, big projects going on


First gen J series heads with true headers, much larger exhaust valves as well as slightly larger intake valves

A custom tubular manifold

nitrous

Stay tuned
fuq u....you are swapping out your bottom end?

keep me updated on the manifold

and damn son, with NOS your car is going to take off
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have you installed the monster cam yet? i wanna hear it lope!
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This makes me wanna TL even more than before . I need to stumble my way out of here now ...

Nice car man .
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Looks good man. Nice work.

Feel free to load us up with moar photos and videos on a weekly basis! haha

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Wow this is some amazing work.

Eric you need to get on this and do some of this to your car now.
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Originally Posted by swoosh
THIS !!!

dude i have been telling you if you can open/close the valve using a rpm based output it would be awesome....

how about wiring it to the manifold butterfly (am thinking out loud).....so as the rpm increases the butterfly opens and hence the valve opens....

or you can just have it on a digital pulse....so at 5000 rpm the MS3 sends out a signal opening the valve and below 5000rpm the valve stays closed...

you are swapping out your bottom end?

keep me updated on the manifold

and damn son, with NOS your car is going to take off
It's all been thought of and considered, theres just no concrete solution that covers all the bases.

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have you installed the monster cam yet? i wanna hear it lope!
It's not a hardcore loper at idle. Duration and valve overlap was developed on the vtec lobe. Your best comparison would be my older video in post #24 https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=24

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This makes me wanna TL even more than before . I need to stumble my way out of here now ...

Nice car man .
The TL is an amazing car. Thanks alot.

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Looks good man. Nice work.

Feel free to load us up with moar photos and videos on a weekly basis! haha

Check me on FB, Eric I finally got you to accept my request a few months back. Bet ya didnt know I attended ECHM in Richmond. I caught you there, but you were busy talking with your brother/friend. Nearly lost the car in the storm on the way down as I had to do 130mph on route 64 to stay ahead of the hail. What an experience.

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Wow this is some amazing work.

Eric you need to get on this and do some of this to your car now.
lol and likewise.......i need his front end
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I think i saw your car there as i recognized the blue calipers. I don't think i got a photo of it though, but maybe i did.


That's crazy 130?! haha It's been a while since i hit that mph.
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I have always loved you car... soooo mean!

congrats on the mag
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Love the ride man. She's a beaut!

I noticed you stuck with the stock J35A8 rockers on the J32 heads. Is there any reason for that? I've examined both rockers side by side and from what I could tell, the A8's seemed to be somewhat slimmer in on the arm that extends out to the valve. Though I never weighed the rockers individually, I suppose that would make a lighter valvetrain.

Also, have you ran into any issues with the 13.5:1 CR? I've been greatly contemplating doing just 12.5:1 as that's generally the "highest" CR allowed on 93 pump gas. Is the motor ran on another fuel type or a mix?

Lastly, I noticed your EGR valve is disconnected. Now forgive me if this sounds naive (I've yet to read all the engine/engine management details) but if you're not aiming for an error/code free ECM status, look into NVA-AV6's EGR block off plate that is ingeniously designed. I am, however, finding it a little difficult to believe this motor is functioning at its highest potential without a standalone or atleast a PB.

Again, nice build!
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Originally Posted by yungone501
Love the ride man. She's a beaut!

I noticed you stuck with the stock J35A8 rockers on the J32 heads. Is there any reason for that? I've examined both rockers side by side and from what I could tell, the A8's seemed to be somewhat slimmer in on the arm that extends out to the valve. Though I never weighed the rockers individually, I suppose that would make a lighter valvetrain.

Also, have you ran into any issues with the 13.5:1 CR? I've been greatly contemplating doing just 12.5:1 as that's generally the "highest" CR allowed on 93 pump gas. Is the motor ran on another fuel type or a mix?

Lastly, I noticed your EGR valve is disconnected. Now forgive me if this sounds naive (I've yet to read all the engine/engine management details) but if you're not aiming for an error/code free ECM status, look into NVA-AV6's EGR block off plate that is ingeniously designed. I am, however, finding it a little difficult to believe this motor is functioning at its highest potential without a standalone or atleast a PB.

Again, nice build!
I ran the j35a8 rockers after having more valvetrain noise when using the j32a3 rockers with 75lb springs/retainers. Another reason I went to them was the lighter (looking) design of the necks. Funnily, honda lists both as compatible parts for the j35a8 (with the j32a3 part number being given up mid-production in favor of the new design?), or perhaps this was done due to limited availability of the original part. In either case, the cost is significantly higher for the newer designed part. The odd thing about this is that honda typically doesnt double part costs for no reason. For instance, I have yet to verify both part #'s are infact cast from aluminum, as honda has been known to use steel in some cases...but maybe this is it. I'll do a magnet test on the j32 rockers to see. There is definitely more information that I can turn up on this regardless.

The 13.5:1 requires a 100 octane mix to run with zero issues at WOT, thought ive never pushed this car hard when running on 93 to the point where the motor detonated enough to be heard audibly, either. Ive only experienced "fall on its face" behavior when on a lesser octane. FYI, i've run leaded fuels for 20k miles with no fried o2's.

My EGR is removed, and a traditional plate steel block off place has been used. Im so used to random CEL's from the cam lope at idle for "random misfires" (due to discepencies in ecu's alg for crank position) that im not concerned about eliminating all CEL's. For now, the Megasquirt working as a VE piggyback with spark control will do.

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I'm not so sure about them being aluminum (alloy) only due to the fact of having both fully rocker-loaded shafts from a J32A2 and J35A6 (same as an A8) and remembering both of them to be quite heavy...almost exactly the same. However, the J35A8's were noticeably a much slimmer, rigid design than the J32A2's. I was actually considering doing the same thing as I noticed everything was seemingly identical in shaft hole alignment, shaft-to-valve length, etc... I too find it very strange how they switched rocker design mid stride but we will probably never know the real reason why.

As for the CR, I'm sure if you we're experiencing drivability issues on 13.5:1 CR running 93, 12.5:1 could possibly be a bit too high for 93 as well. I think just to be safe, ill stay below 12.2:1 or so.

Also, do you think the ECM was registering misfire codes due to the nature of the cam (lope) and the ECM detecting this as an issue? Was 13.5:1 a recommended CR that was given by the cam manufacturer? I know a lot of high lift (and high duration) camshafts can actually require all sorts of engine requirements when optimal performance is desired.
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Originally Posted by yungone501
Also, do you think the ECM was registering misfire codes due to the nature of the cam (lope) and the ECM detecting this as an issue? Was 13.5:1 a recommended CR that was given by the cam manufacturer? I know a lot of high lift (and high duration) camshafts can actually require all sorts of engine requirements when optimal performance is desired.
The crank sensor is analyzed hundrends of times a second to detect miniscule (and unexpected) changes in rpm which are categorized as specific cylinder misfires or random misfires by the ECM based on the behavior(s) the interpreted signal follows. The reality of any aftermarket camshaft on a vehicle which still has some level of factory ECM with control over engine diagnostics is that codes are going to be thrown depending on the agressiveness of the cam profile. This is not linked to engine failure or a cam design issue.

I had the cam designed per my application, and yes it is true that this cam would not work optimally on a 11.x or 12.x:1 motor. This cam was the largest I (or anyone) could go on a Jseries re-grind.

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I missed the car too much after only a month of being garaged for winter so I took it out with a buddy on a quick run Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgoH...e_gdata_player
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Sounds amazing. I never knew the TL could sound so...muscular.
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