Chad05TL

ggesq

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not surprised...

truonghthe

in AT as soon as 4th gear engage you are hitting a wall.

N1h1l1ty

^ this. So much. Ugh

Steven Bell

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When was this video taken?

NBP04TL4ME

At the beginning of the video it says 7/3/13.

justnspace

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the dude with the 06 6MT is on acurazine

Chef107

^^ yep!

JTS97Z28

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Just so us Type S guys don't look so bad we need a 6mt Type S vs a 5at 04-06 video ;-)

vietxquangstah

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In order from fastest to slowest TL it goes

1. TL-S 6-speed manual
2. Base model 6 speed manual.
3. TL-S 5-speed automatic.
4. Base model 5-speed automatic.

The 6 speed base model is constantly trapping 97.xxmph whereas the auto TL-S was 95.xx at best. That clearly shows the 6-speed is making more power to the ground than the TL-S thanks to the manual transmission and better gearing.

Also why is this in the photography section? It belongs in the racing & competition section.

Steven Bell

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^^^ Good point.....

Chad05TL

So you're saying a manual base model is faster than a automatic TypeS? hmm.. That's pretty astounding comment if it is true.. But If that is true, it puts a lot of qudo's to a manual shift tranny.. You're basically saying that a manual equates to faster times more than .3 liters.. Thats a lot! (I personally doubt it)


But I would be interested in racing my 05 Auto against a manual. haha Alls I say is, you better be a good shifter. We need to see more TL to TL races. And you cant always go exactly by what the book says.. Whichever book that is.. Where do you get that anyway?






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EvilVirus

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OP this has been posted and discussed before. Do a quick search on base vs type-s I think that is what the thread was called.

JTS97Z28

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It's really not that hard to believe. The manual has much more aggressive gearing and puts more power to the wheels. Remember, we're not talking like a 100hp difference like say how much more power a Z06 has over the regular vette. We are talking 35hp. So that number is pretty easily overcome by the gearing and ability for the manual tranny to put more power to the wheels.
Again, fastest 3G is a 6mt Type S, slowest is a base 5at.

Chad05TL

These 3 websites say the 04 & 05 Base TL will put the hurt on a base 07/08 TL. And the 2005 TL will give the TypeS a run for its money. haha These sites do not indicate any differences between Auto or Manual. And I suspect that is correct. The only partial advantage would be if a manual shift could dump its clutch from off the line. But hey I can power stall and peel the tires in my Auto.

Acura 0-60 Times & Acura Quarter Mile Times | Acura TL 0-60, Integra, NSX T, MDX, TSX, RDX, RSX & Legend 0 to 60 stats!
2004 Acura TL 0-60 mph 5.9 | Quarter mile 14.2
2004 Acura TL 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 14.1 (A-Spec)
2004 Acura TL 0-60 mph 6.2 | Quarter mile 14.6
2005 Acura TL 0-60 mph 5.8 | Quarter mile 14.4
2007 Acura TL 0-60 mph 7.0
2008 Acura TL 0-60 mph 6.9

» Acura TL 0-60 1/4 mile fuel economy
2006 – 2008 TL 0-60: 6.9 sec 1/4 mile: 15.4 sec HP: 253 hp @ 6200 RPM
2007 – 2008 TL 0-60: 5.9 sec 1/4 mile: 14.7 sec HP: 286 hp @ 6200 RPM (Type-S)
2004 – 2005 TL 0-60: 6.6 sec 1/4 mile: 15.0 sec HP: 270 hp @ 6200 RPM


Acura 0-60 & Quarter Mile Stats for Acura ILX 0-60, Acura RDX Acura Reviews
2004 Acura TL 0-60 MPH 6 sec1/4 MILE 14.6 sec
2004 Acura TL 0-60 MPH 5.7 sec1/4 MILE 14.3 sec (A-Spec )
2005 Acura TL 0-60 MPH 6 sec1/4 MILE 14.6 sec
2007 Acura TL 0-60 MPH 6.9 sec1/4 MILE 15.2 sec
2008 Acura TL 0-60 MPH 6.9 sec1/4 MILE 15.2 sec

Chad05TL

In all fairness to the to the OP, the TpyeS owner appeared to have slightly been slow off the line or the base TL jumped the line at 1 point. I am not sure. But still, even with the "slow reaction" on the TypeS, it still didn't catch the base TL. You would think with a few extra ponies it would have at least caught up. It wasnt that far off.

But with that being said, I won't be trading my 05 Type-TL or Type-mpSr for a TypeS. haha



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vietxquangstah

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I said it once and I'll say it again

Look at the trap speed numbers between the BASE MODEL 6 speed and compare it to the TYPE-S AUTOMATIC.

The base model 6-speed was CONSISTENTLY and CONSTANTLY trapping 97.xx mph easily for 4 runs straight.

The Type-S AUTO was constantly hitting 94.xx mph. It barely hit 95.07 mph on the last run.

Sorry to burst your bubble but your auto would not win in a race with a 6-speed base model.

Chad05TL

that's fair. You have a right to say. My bubble ain't burst though. I think its funny looking at the numbers. Plus I'm more interested in 1/4mi.. But duly noted about the "trap". sank you veddy much. See you on the road fellow 07/08 Dallasian. er in my rear view mirror.. haha

JTS97Z28

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Chad, your either not listening to us or aren't understanding the differences between the manual and automatic setups in these cars. Second of all, an 05 auto is not going to put a hurtin on an 07/08 base auto. They are the same!! Same engine, same HP, same tranny and gearing etc etc.
All things being equal a manual TL would pull relatively easily on a 5at TL. A 6mt Type S would pull even more so. Also, trap speed is important in a 1/4 mile race. Time isn't as much so because things like how well your launch is can effect that greatly. Also, fwiw reaction time does not change anything about the 1/4 time. So regardless if one of the cars jumped the gun, it's times and speeds are still directly comparible and irrelavent to the reaction time.
And back to the 6mt vs 5at thing. You didn't seem to grasp how a base 6mt would be faster than a 5at Type S since the Type S has more power. Again, the aggressive gearing and ability for the manual to put more power to the wheels is enough to overcome the difference in power. Also, did you know that a 6mt base TL actually probably has more HP to the wheels than a 5at Type S? 6mt cars probably weigh a little less too!

Chad05TL

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FamilyGuy

You're making the assumption that .3 liters is going to always be faster no matter what. In this particular car, the manuals are the faster models (newer cars are reversing this due to better auto transmissions etc).

The manuals are lighter, the base manual being the lightest of them all, bout ~150lbs+ lighter than a type s auto, and have better gearing. All of this is enough for a base manual to edge out an auto type s, from what we've seen here. The diff in power is only 286 - 258 = 28hp (base was rated 270hp with old formula but changed to 258hp under the new rating).


You'll lose.

truonghthe

Just a FYI.

04-06 base TL put down around 230 whp. TL-S MT put down 250 whp And 07-08 TL-S AT put down 225-230 whp ALL STOCK. Gearing in the AT suck ball being 3rd gear almost get you in under 1. Meanwhile MT ratio still better than 1 in 4th gear. If you watch YouTube there is a video that from 3rd shifting into 4th only drops 1k RPM, this is what I mean by 4th gear death zone, it dropped from red line down to 4k and bog there for a moment and the mt guy just enjoy all the pull. That .3 liter along with 28 isn't helping you much either especially the AT gear box is about 170 lbs heavier than the 6spd MT. I already felt my TL start to suffer the shitty ratio as soon as 3rd engage.

JTS97Z28

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Dont worry about whether or not im using correct grammar or puncuation. When im making a post on my litle iphone in the break room here at work at 10 oclock at night I could careless. Just worry about what would happen to that 2005 TL Type S if we pull up to a light

vietxquangstah

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You're right about me being in your rear view mirror. I have recently went from fully modded exhaust (pcds, rv6 v3 j-pipe, atlp quad exhaust) and tuned with hondata flashpro to completely stock.

Why?

Because I have come to realize that no matter how much faster I try to make my automatic base model it will always still be slow compared to today's standard. The auto takes 7 seconds to reach 60 and completes a 1/4 MI in 15 (sometimes more) seconds at like 89-91 mph.

That's slow as fuck. I used to think the TL was fast but now I really don't give a damn about trying to make it fast anymore because I know it'll never be as fast as I would like it to be.

In the end it's just a 4 door sedan that will get spanked by other 4 door sedans like the 335i, is350, g35/g37, c350.

Hell the new BMW 328i hp rating is underrated. It is said to have 240hp at the crank but it actually puts down damn near 240hp to the rear wheels.

The auto base model TL is rated 258hp and puts down 190-210hp to the wheels. Has a ancient 5 speed auto and weighs near 3600lbs. Torque sucks ass compared to the new small displacement turbo 4 cylinders.

So yeah go ahead and drive around in your TL that you think is so fast while I sit back in your rear view mirror and hit cruise control going 70mph to get better fuel economy. Needless to say I really don't give a damn.

N1h1l1ty

^ hey we can all dream

I for one will be perfectly happy making my 5AT faster even with the inherent drawbacks of the transmission. Will be interesting to see what I can put down fully bolted with RL cams

TacoBello

Although the Type S (both 5at and 6mt) have 0.3L of displacement more, along with 28hp more over the base (both 5at and 6mt), those numbers are deceiving. Those are the power numbers being put out at the engine crank, and in such a case, yes, there is a 28hp difference between all base and all Type S.

These numbers don't take drive train losses into account. None of these cars put those numbers down to the ground. In fact, all four cars are putting different numbers down to the ground, due to transmissions and gearing of said transmissions.

It is well documented that autos are robbed of more power than manuals.

Chad05TL

Aint no wall in this automatic... haha Its probably an 04 or 05.

JTS97Z28

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^^^i hope ur joking, that thing was slow as shit!

N1h1l1ty

I don't think he understands what we're referring to when we say "wall".

EvilVirus

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04WDPSeDaN

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Hi OP,

You've been here since 2008, congratulations on such an achievement, but it has come to a failure. I'll explain. Since the Type-s came out in 2007-2008 (given it's time frame vs 2015) there was a lot of speculation about the type-s being that much "quicker" than the automatic/manual TL's. You would wonder if this topic has been posted, perhaps once? or perhaps to the term of "Beaten to death"? Yes, my friend, it's been beaten to death.. The search function here and the use of google are only recommended not required as some intelligent members here will tell you about what fuel the 3rd gen TL takes.

In short, you have ignored valuable information, you still failed to learn anything realistic about the 3rd gen TL and you like most of those tool's on the Facebook group believe the type-s is the best and such a blazing fast car. Just because you have type-s wheels on your TL doesn't mean your quick either. Next time, for the sake of making such a thread, please research about this topic and perhaps research about the differences in year to year for the 3rd gen TL. Those past members would like to feel appreciated they took their time and efforts to make such threads for members (including yourself) to take the time to read and hit the "thanks" button.

Cheers!

Edit:

Wondering if you have anything worth bragging about, done to your TL and I've noticed you post a lot of threads without research and ignoring comments. Your best thread (No offense is disappointing) https://acurazine.com/forums/perform...ura-tl-855489/ about Gforce chips for the TL. So, how did that work out for you? The seller ever email you back? Because you know, almost everyone said it won't work and you clearly decided F-them I do what I want.. Bruh

Chad05TL

On Acurazine the subject is cars... Or in this thread Acura TL.

Subject =acura tl.

Pretty simple. It's not about me.

Btw, I have not drank in 7 months evilvirus. Haha.

justnspace

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wtf chad....the video you posted in the original post shows that a base manual is faster than a type-s auto.

like WTF.
there's video proof and you're still clueless?

Chad05TL

where did I say a base TL was faster than a TypeS? uh?


*ahh coffee.. before my 10 mile run**
I love saturdays

SilverJ

Interesting. Manuals rule ! I'm pretty sure the 4G Manual is faster than all of these though .

JTS97Z28

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With all due respect, the 4G is a completely different car. That's like saying I'm pretty sure a BMW M3 is faster than the Type S. The 4G SH-AWD is newer, AWD, more HP, I would kind of hope it can outrun a 3G. With all that said though I would be curious on the exact outcome of a 4G SH-AWD manual vs a manual Type S. According to the books the 4G would have a 19hp advantage (I think), however the 4G has a huuuuuuge weight disadvantage that it would need to overcome. I have no doubts a manual 4G would be faster, but based on those numbers now I'm kind of curious.

justnspace

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this is where you said it.

thank you very much

justnspace

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my base 6mt would whoop the shit out of an automatic type-s

justnspace

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matter of fact:
here's a video of my car pulling on an auto type-s



I pull away at 6:07 mark

Chad05TL

Nice video.. I love it.!


Another video beating a TypeS.. haha



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