Swapping stock automatic transmission torque converter and adding more torque
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Swapping stock automatic transmission torque converter and adding more torque
I wanted to know if was possible to get more higher end torque from my 2005 automatic Acura TL by swapping the original torque converter and replacing it with a custom convertor, since the torque convertor is what sucks the torque out of the auto tls. Would this help me in gaining the higher end torque that I am looking for and if so how much am I looking at spending approximately?
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sounds like a recipe for disaster for the already crappy transmission..
Why not just do a 6MT swap at that point?
Why not just do a 6MT swap at that point?
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I wanted to know if was possible to get more higher end torque from my 2005 automatic Acura TL by swapping the original torque converter and replacing it with a custom convertor, since the torque convertor is what sucks the torque out of the auto tls. Would this help me in gaining the higher end torque that I am looking for and if so how much am I looking at spending approximately?
unless you can do things yourself, YOU ARE AT THE MERCY OF WHO EVER IS DOING THE LABOR.
this means, YOU need to call different performance shops to see if they have the part and can install it for you
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Unfortunately swapping for a 6speed is out of the question for because for one I don't yet know how to drive stick, and two it will be a a ton load of money to change the entire transmission unit. Are the 2005 transmissions that bad? I know 2G TLs have very bad transmission problems.
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04-06 were as bad as the 2G's yeah.
but like Justin said, to replace the TC, you're tearing down the entire transmission anyway.. you're paying for the same labor !
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04-06 were as bad as the 2G's yeah.
but like Justin said, to replace the TC, you're tearing down the entire transmission anyway.. you're paying for the same labor !
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So I guess pretty much if you want to have fun with your car you have to know how to drive stick otherwise your screwed with a crappy transmission where it's only a matter of time where it gives in I'm assuming.
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With this particular platform and generation, yes this is most certainly the case. 5spd auto that prone to breakage vs 6spd manual thats pretty rock solid. And that used to be the case for most platforms manual>auto. But nowadays there are tons of autos offered that are equal to their manual counterpart in terms of performance and some that have even better mileage and performance capabilities.
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Originally Posted by jkilla369
So I guess pretty much if you want to have fun with your car you have to know how to drive stick otherwise your screwed with a crappy transmission where it's only a matter of time where it gives in I'm assuming.
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With this particular platform and generation, yes this is most certainly the case. 5spd auto that prone to breakage vs 6spd manual thats pretty rock solid. And that used to be the case for most platforms manual>auto. But nowadays there are tons of autos offered that are equal to their manual counterpart in terms of performance and some that have even better mileage and performance capabilities.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
you could swap a six speed into your car.
that would make it automatically faster, because of gearing and how light weight it is compared to the 5at
that would make it automatically faster, because of gearing and how light weight it is compared to the 5at
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I have plenty of fun in my car stunting on fools lol. I quickly realized that I'm not going to get much power out of this platform so started to get it up to snub in terms of looks. The 3g can look amazing with the right kind of visual mods and it can also sound very nice with a proper exhaust system.
Anyways, I'm in the same boat though, I do want more out of the car performance wise.. The only thing that makes sense for me to do at this point is wait for my Auto to blow then do the 6spd swap. Im hoping this doesn't happen for another 2 years at least but it will be done as I plan on keeping the car and have already sunk alot of money into it for mods so in my case it doesn't make sense to sell it for a 6mt TL
Anyways, I'm in the same boat though, I do want more out of the car performance wise.. The only thing that makes sense for me to do at this point is wait for my Auto to blow then do the 6spd swap. Im hoping this doesn't happen for another 2 years at least but it will be done as I plan on keeping the car and have already sunk alot of money into it for mods so in my case it doesn't make sense to sell it for a 6mt TL
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I have plenty of fun in my car stunting on fools lol. I quickly realized that I'm not going to get much power out of this platform so started to get it up to snub in terms of looks. The 3g can look amazing with the right kind of visual mods and it can also sound very nice with a proper exhaust system.
Anyways, I'm in the same boat though, I do want more out of the car performance wise.. The only thing that makes sense for me to do at this point is wait for my Auto to blow then do the 6spd swap. Im hoping this doesn't happen for another 2 years at least but it will be done as I plan on keeping the car and have already sunk alot of money into it for mods so in my case it doesn't make sense to sell it for a 6mt TL
Anyways, I'm in the same boat though, I do want more out of the car performance wise.. The only thing that makes sense for me to do at this point is wait for my Auto to blow then do the 6spd swap. Im hoping this doesn't happen for another 2 years at least but it will be done as I plan on keeping the car and have already sunk alot of money into it for mods so in my case it doesn't make sense to sell it for a 6mt TL
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im so tired of the rhetoric around here that the 04-06 AT are garbage cars. Nothing wrong with them at all. Would a 6mt be funner? Yea no question about it, but the 04-06 AT TL is still a good car. And if I can get a 6mt swap done for 2-3k in a few years ill be more than happy...
And yes the sway bar you bought will bolt right up with no issues. The AT can handle mods though lol.... but when you start talking about super chargers or turbos then its not an ideal situation for those transmissions
And yes the sway bar you bought will bolt right up with no issues. The AT can handle mods though lol.... but when you start talking about super chargers or turbos then its not an ideal situation for those transmissions
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im so tired of the rhetoric around here that the 04-06 AT are garbage cars. Nothing wrong with them at all. Would a 6mt be funner? Yea no question about it, but the 04-06 AT TL is still a good car. And if I can get a 6mt swap done for 2-3k in a few years ill be more than happy...
And yes the sway bar you bought will bolt right up with no issues. The AT can handle mods though lol.... but when you start talking about super chargers or turbos then its not an ideal situation for those transmissions
And yes the sway bar you bought will bolt right up with no issues. The AT can handle mods though lol.... but when you start talking about super chargers or turbos then its not an ideal situation for those transmissions
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Keep up on your maintenance of the auto (fluid and switches) and you will possibly be fine. Will it fail? Eventually I'm sure it will. There are plenty on these boards that have had them last for a long time and plenty who have had them fail early.
You bought the car, live with the results. If you want to flog a car, just be prepared to pay when things start breaking. That applies to any car.....even those with a manual transmission. Our clutches will fail eventually as well and can cost around the same to repair/replace. In a previous car that I drove the crap out of, I managed to break the pinion gears in the transmission....so much for the perks of a manual...there will always be a weaker link somewhere that eventually will give out when abused.
You bought the car, live with the results. If you want to flog a car, just be prepared to pay when things start breaking. That applies to any car.....even those with a manual transmission. Our clutches will fail eventually as well and can cost around the same to repair/replace. In a previous car that I drove the crap out of, I managed to break the pinion gears in the transmission....so much for the perks of a manual...there will always be a weaker link somewhere that eventually will give out when abused.
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I have plenty of fun with my '06 5AT and it's still going strong with almost 273K miles! I think you have to be realistic about what to expect out of a 10+ year old FWD Accord-based sedan. We're not talking about a 300-hp RWD sport sedan with near 50/50 weight distribution and staggered tire setup (e.g. BMW 3-series). Personally, I wouldn't sink thousands of dollars into my car to break the 300-hp mark because I think there are better cars out there (in terms of all-around performance) that do it in stock form. Don't get me wrong, I love my car and it's been very good to me but it's almost 11 years old.
Do I wish it had more power? Yes, I've had plenty occasions where I wished it had 300+ hp but I've also had plenty of occasions where being able to put that much power down would result in so much torque steer than the car already has. For me, personally, I think my car has a good blend of power and handling for my needs but I understand that everybody is different.
Do I wish it had more power? Yes, I've had plenty occasions where I wished it had 300+ hp but I've also had plenty of occasions where being able to put that much power down would result in so much torque steer than the car already has. For me, personally, I think my car has a good blend of power and handling for my needs but I understand that everybody is different.
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I have plenty of fun with my '06 5AT and it's still going strong with almost 273K miles! I think you have to be realistic about what to expect out of a 10+ year old FWD Accord-based sedan. We're not talking about a 300-hp RWD sport sedan with near 50/50 weight distribution and staggered tire setup (e.g. BMW 3-series). Personally, I wouldn't sink thousands of dollars into my car to break the 300-hp mark because I think there are better cars out there (in terms of all-around performance) that do it in stock form. Don't get me wrong, I love my car and it's been very good to me but it's almost 11 years old.
Do I wish it had more power? Yes, I've had plenty occasions where I wished it had 300+ hp but I've also had plenty of occasions where being able to put that much power down would result in so much torque steer than the car already has. For me, personally, I think my car has a good blend of power and handling for my needs but I understand that everybody is different.
Do I wish it had more power? Yes, I've had plenty occasions where I wished it had 300+ hp but I've also had plenty of occasions where being able to put that much power down would result in so much torque steer than the car already has. For me, personally, I think my car has a good blend of power and handling for my needs but I understand that everybody is different.
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you wont even hit 300!
let's be realistic here, your budget dictates how fast you go!
in the past; you've mentioned that you couldn't do some mods because of $.
to get your car to 300, cost $$$$.
to get your car to 325hp cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I threw about ~$7,000 into my car for mods and maintenance.
I am no faster than a V6 Camry.
AND!! and!! I have three pedals! my six speed manual is no match for camry's!
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you will never hit 325 in your life!
you wont even hit 300!
let's be realistic here, your budget dictates how fast you go!
in the past; you've mentioned that you couldn't do some mods because of $.
to get your car to 300, cost $$$$.
to get your car to 325hp cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I threw about ~$7,000 into my car for mods and maintenance.
I am no faster than a V6 Camry.
AND!! and!! I have three pedals! my six speed manual is no match for camry's!
you wont even hit 300!
let's be realistic here, your budget dictates how fast you go!
in the past; you've mentioned that you couldn't do some mods because of $.
to get your car to 300, cost $$$$.
to get your car to 325hp cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I threw about ~$7,000 into my car for mods and maintenance.
I am no faster than a V6 Camry.
AND!! and!! I have three pedals! my six speed manual is no match for camry's!
camry 0-60: 6+ seconds
TL: sub 6 seconds
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A higher stall converter won't make an automatic fail more quickly, although it is highly recommended you add an auxiliary cooler since a looser converter will make the transmission run a bit hotter. What the converter does it get the engine into the power band more quickly, its definitely something noticeable.
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you will never hit 325 in your life!
you wont even hit 300!
let's be realistic here, your budget dictates how fast you go!
in the past; you've mentioned that you couldn't do some mods because of $.
to get your car to 300, cost $$$$.
to get your car to 325hp cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I threw about ~$7,000 into my car for mods and maintenance.
I am no faster than a V6 Camry.
AND!! and!! I have three pedals! my six speed manual is no match for camry's!
you wont even hit 300!
let's be realistic here, your budget dictates how fast you go!
in the past; you've mentioned that you couldn't do some mods because of $.
to get your car to 300, cost $$$$.
to get your car to 325hp cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I threw about ~$7,000 into my car for mods and maintenance.
I am no faster than a V6 Camry.
AND!! and!! I have three pedals! my six speed manual is no match for camry's!
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there's one person who spent close to $20k for an all motor set up. yes, he reached the magical 300...
but that's insane!! $20k!!??
unless you are throwing it on credit cards, there is no likely way you're able to come up with that amount of cash. and if you do have that amount of cash, there are better things to spend it on...
I'm just being real.
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