Supercharger question?
#81
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Another thing you can do is increase the burn rate of the combustion chamber. The goal is the faster you can make the chamber burn, the more tolerant to detonation it is. It is a very simple phenomenon, the faster it burns, the quicker the burn is completed, the less time the end gas has to detonate<<-- how do we do that?? in the previous paragraph in te article it talks about degress in spark advance? not sure if that relates or is improtant..
In regards to spark advance..... You want to ignite the mixture a few degrees (crankshaft degrees) before the piston hits top dead center. The goal is to initiate combustion with full pressure arriving right as the piston is hitting the top of it's stroke. If it ignites too soon, it tried to force the piston back down the wrong way, costing power and usually causing detonation. Too late and the full pressure spike hits too late in the piston's downward travel and the result is lost power and very high exhaust gas temperatures.
Spark advance is determined by a few things, the most importatant being burn rate, combustion chamber design, rpm, and load.
Here's a pretty good illustration of and in cylinder camera. Watch the sparkplug fire and how the majority of the "explosion" hits right as the piston is at the top of it's stroke. Intake valve is the right one. Exhaust is left, piston is bottom. The blue flame is what you want to see with an ideal mixture. The red flame at the intake valve is raw fuel that didn't mix well and condensed on the valve on it's way in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEf8va1S7Sw
Keep in mind at 6,000rpm, what you're watching takes place 60 times a second.
#83
312 HP 271 TQ Dynapack
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No way I can tell, since I'm not monitoring tranny temps. I'd be lying to myself if I could say I feel better shift quality. but I also have royal purple syn ATF and the IM engine mounts make the shifts feel more solid
just an ease of mind knowing you're trans is getting that extra cooling.
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#85
Team Owner
#86
ihc. the info was very informative but how do i control the burn rate and spark advance? i was reading another post about swapping from an mdx 3.7/3.5 crank shaft is that what is needed?(You want to ignite the mixture a few degrees (crankshaft degrees)
#88
Safety Car
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Throughout the many posts, all of your questions have been answered. It's just being able to put them all together to make sense.
#89
Team Owner
If ignition timing is 10 degrees BTDC (before top dead center) that means the crankshaft is at 350 degrees, 10 degrees from a full rotation and the piston would be right at the top of the bore.
Burn rate is non adjustable, it's determined primarily by the gasoline that you're using and secondary by the combustion chamber design.
Spark advance is controlled by the computer and is non-adjustable. In my experience it's very aggressive already, almost too aggressive so there's nothing to gain there. In the older cars, especially the 5.0 Mustang crowd, advancing the timing was one of the first things they did and would usually pick up 10+hp from this free mod. On ours the computer is constantly trying to give us max performance.
Swapping the crank would mean the piston will move farther up and down (longer stroke), giving you a larger engine. It doesn't effect the burn rate.
#90
runnin a little boost
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high output engines are prone to destructive tendencies as a result of over boost, misfueling, mis-tuning and inadequate cooling. chamber combustion process can quickly gravitate to engine failure. Detonation is a spontaneous combustion of the end-gas and occurs after "normal" combustion is initiated by the spark plug. the reason is likely due to heat and pressure. The remaining fuel in the end gas simply lacks sufficient octane rating to withstand this combination of heat and pressure. <-- this is were the meth comes in?by raising the octane? what is meant by normal combustion. and im guessing the boost is what makes it a high combustion?? also i believe opel recomended spark plugs 2 steps colder then stock/ or the ct sprk plugs. will this lower high combustion??
The compression ratio or how much the air is squezzed from original size is always the same on non FI cars. FI cars since they are being force fed air have a compression ratio of the engines compression ratio from the factory plus the amount or PSI of the boost beeing added.
I don't know anything about spark plugs so I will leave that to someone else.
As far as you questions about methanol, Snow Performance claims that even in a 50/50 mix it raises the octane to 116. I think with straight meth injection the mixture is closer to 130 octane.
#91
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First lets start with what normal combustion means. In means all the fuel is burned by being mixed with the exact right about of air to fuel on N/A or non forced induction cars this mixture is 14.7 air units to 1 fuel unit. On a FI car that ratio is a slightly lower air to fuel or AFR of about 12-13 air units to Fuel units, to provide the extra fuel to accompany the increased in air in the cylinder or boost.
The compression ratio or how much the air is squezzed from original size is always the same on non FI cars. FI cars since they are being force fed air have a compression ratio of the engines compression ratio from the factory plus the amount or PSI of the boost beeing added.
I don't know anything about spark plugs so I will leave that to someone else.
As far as you questions about methanol, Snow Performance claims that even in a 50/50 mix it raises the octane to 116. I think with straight meth injection the mixture is closer to 130 octane.
The compression ratio or how much the air is squezzed from original size is always the same on non FI cars. FI cars since they are being force fed air have a compression ratio of the engines compression ratio from the factory plus the amount or PSI of the boost beeing added.
I don't know anything about spark plugs so I will leave that to someone else.
As far as you questions about methanol, Snow Performance claims that even in a 50/50 mix it raises the octane to 116. I think with straight meth injection the mixture is closer to 130 octane.
AF is exactly that, the air/fuel ratio. FI runs a richer mixture to avoid detionation otherwise AF is AF supercharged or NA.
#92
again i got a nite class to attend. hopefully i can come to a beter understanding later and ask more knowledgeable questions.. thanks
#93
Three Wheelin'
^^ that is probably right. im basically learning things from scratch so please bare with me. so apologies to repetitive questions. thanks to all that are trying to help with the info and their patience.
again i got a nite class to attend. hopefully i can come to a beter understanding later and ask more knowledgeable questions.. thanks
again i got a nite class to attend. hopefully i can come to a beter understanding later and ask more knowledgeable questions.. thanks
what exactly are you trying to accomplish with your car?
#94
Safety Car
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As a kid, I had MX 2 stroke bikes that we used to make jet adjustments by the color of the plug insulator. Not sure how close that was to 14.7:1 AF ratio and I've seen several motorsports types that use a eyepiece to inspect the plugs. Are they looking at the plugs like we would back then?
Does anyone use that method along with using a wideband o2 sensor?
Also, how do you know your sensor is calibrated correctly?
Does anyone use that method along with using a wideband o2 sensor?
Also, how do you know your sensor is calibrated correctly?
#95
Three Wheelin'
As a kid, I had MX 2 stroke bikes that we used to make jet adjustments by the color of the plug insulator. Not sure how close that was to 14.7:1 AF ratio and I've seen several motorsports types that use a eyepiece to inspect the plugs. Are they looking at the plugs like we would back then?
Does anyone use that method along with using a wideband o2 sensor?
Also, how do you know your sensor is calibrated correctly?
Does anyone use that method along with using a wideband o2 sensor?
Also, how do you know your sensor is calibrated correctly?
#96
i could have just bought it bc of the name(as u stated) and put it in and thought evreythings all good. or i could just ask hey what r u running and buy it and put it in and not know why or what it was for. 6 months ago i new how to change oil and put in gas. now im talkin about cr and all this other wonderful money draining stuff. i overly extend my appretiation to any one that wants to help..thanks..
#97
Three Wheelin'
Rsx injectors, 255 walbro fuel pump, Snow Performance stage II FI water/meth injection (run 225 mil/min nozzle), 2 steps colder than stock NGK Iridium spark plugs, AEM F/IC .
anyone who runs FI, cats gotta go!!!! they put up too much back pressure, and catback upgrade is a must...not for power gains but for the sake of your motor!
ive mentioned these things numerous times...
But here i am, repeating it over and over again.
you gotta understand..once you start messing with a car...reliability is decreased....so dont expect a flawless supercharged TL, because it doesnt exist, and it never will...
If nothing else, the change in the way you will drive it with be a simple source of things failing. unless you are one of those guys that builds a car, puts tremendous amounts of money in it, and locks it up in the garage, all that just to say "I have it".... and i know plenty
anyone who runs FI, cats gotta go!!!! they put up too much back pressure, and catback upgrade is a must...not for power gains but for the sake of your motor!
ive mentioned these things numerous times...
But here i am, repeating it over and over again.
you gotta understand..once you start messing with a car...reliability is decreased....so dont expect a flawless supercharged TL, because it doesnt exist, and it never will...
If nothing else, the change in the way you will drive it with be a simple source of things failing. unless you are one of those guys that builds a car, puts tremendous amounts of money in it, and locks it up in the garage, all that just to say "I have it".... and i know plenty
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No way I can tell, since I'm not monitoring tranny temps. I'd be lying to myself if I could say I feel better shift quality. but I also have royal purple syn ATF and the IM engine mounts make the shifts feel more solid
just an ease of mind knowing you're trans is getting that extra cooling.![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
just an ease of mind knowing you're trans is getting that extra cooling.
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#100
[quote=Opel;11342070]Rsx injectors, 255 walbro fuel pump, Snow Performance stage II FI water/meth injection (run 225 mil/min nozzle), 2 steps colder than stock NGK Iridium spark plugs, AEM F/IC .
anyone who runs FI, cats gotta go!!!! they put up too much back pressure, and catback upgrade is a must...not for power gains but for the sake of your motor!
ive mentioned these things numerous times...
But here i am, repeating it over and over again.
you gotta understand..once you start messing with a car...reliability is decreased....so dont expect a flawless supercharged TL, because it doesnt exist, and it never will...
^ i dont recall reading something about the cats or the fuel pump with the s/c(maybe i missed it) you have mentioned some of things before, but like i said im trying to understand what things do and how they work.. not just read it,buy it, and put it in just to say i have it. i am admitting to not knowing much but with time i will. it may be slowly but i feel i know much more then when i started. i understand maintanance will be necessary but i would like to do what i can in the begining to have it put in "right" i dont plan on babying the car either but nj is no joke w these tickets.( had 12 points with everything stock) it will not be pushed everyday u often enuff for me. if any one doesnt have the paitence to help me with my ? simply dont answer them. i have every single s/c thread on my deskop so i am trying to research the topic but there is still some things i dont understand. thanks.
anyone who runs FI, cats gotta go!!!! they put up too much back pressure, and catback upgrade is a must...not for power gains but for the sake of your motor!
ive mentioned these things numerous times...
But here i am, repeating it over and over again.
you gotta understand..once you start messing with a car...reliability is decreased....so dont expect a flawless supercharged TL, because it doesnt exist, and it never will...
^ i dont recall reading something about the cats or the fuel pump with the s/c(maybe i missed it) you have mentioned some of things before, but like i said im trying to understand what things do and how they work.. not just read it,buy it, and put it in just to say i have it. i am admitting to not knowing much but with time i will. it may be slowly but i feel i know much more then when i started. i understand maintanance will be necessary but i would like to do what i can in the begining to have it put in "right" i dont plan on babying the car either but nj is no joke w these tickets.( had 12 points with everything stock) it will not be pushed everyday u often enuff for me. if any one doesnt have the paitence to help me with my ? simply dont answer them. i have every single s/c thread on my deskop so i am trying to research the topic but there is still some things i dont understand. thanks.
#103
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That's a good reference, I've used it before. IMO, something everyone should look at before going FI.
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