Supercharger installed and no gain

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-27-2006, 02:45 PM
  #1  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exclamation Supercharger installed and no gain



The car is even slower than before, I have raced with my friend who owns manual TL, and his Tl has no S/C, result I was smoked totally

The AFR is about 10,5:1 which seems to be to rich.

Everybody from service where I installed is wondering why,
I notice a big whistle but the car does not accelerate,
on GTECH I had no chance to go under 7 seconds and undere 15,5 quarter mile !!! before I had arround 14,1

No positive answer from comptech, so only hope from You boosted TL drivers

Bernard
Old 09-27-2006, 03:25 PM
  #2  
CTS-V Import Slayer
iTrader: (2)
 
MichaelBenz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Fishers, IN
Age: 56
Posts: 4,958
Received 18 Likes on 15 Posts
Didnt nitrotiger have that same problem when he tried a 3rd cat delete with his supercharger? Not sure....memory fuzzy.
Old 09-27-2006, 03:32 PM
  #3  
B A N N E D
 
lookinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: vancouver, BC
Age: 41
Posts: 976
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I did the 3rd Cat delete and my car doesn't have any problem. Mine is supercharged as well. My AF is in the same range as yours.

DId you check to make sure you wired the ACM correctly?
Old 09-27-2006, 03:50 PM
  #4  
Suzuka Master
 
FiveLiterCheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,030
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Somethings obvioulsy wrong, i'd go back and double check everything
Old 09-27-2006, 04:12 PM
  #5  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have double checked the ACM, evertything seems to be done OK
Old 09-27-2006, 04:49 PM
  #6  
Advanced
 
amm1232710's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 36
Posts: 78
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
yep i have the same problem....i just bought a fuel controller to lean out the fuel. ill tell u if it works

https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/enterprise-car-rentals-anyone-got-hook-up-142829/
Old 09-27-2006, 05:46 PM
  #7  
Senior Moderator
 
csmeance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Space Coast, FL
Posts: 20,875
Received 2,003 Likes on 1,423 Posts
doesn't it take like 2-3 days for the TL's compters to learn the supercharger is there and use the extra power?
Old 09-27-2006, 05:50 PM
  #8  
.:KCCO:.
 
ayethetiense's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Irvine
Age: 42
Posts: 2,174
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
didn't anyone tell you that the SC only works in the US? hahaha

hope you figure out whats wrong with it. good luck!
Old 09-27-2006, 07:42 PM
  #9  
Racer
 
Atrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Age: 47
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Smile Hmmmm.

csmeance,

doesn't it take like 2-3 days for the TL's compters to learn the supercharger is there and use the extra power?
I doubt this VERY much.

The PCM detects changes instantly. Since there is no Mass Air meter on the TL it's reading some sort of speed density system based on manifold pressure. The pressure is WELL over atmospheric (14.7) with a supercharger.

Bernard1973,

Either your car is running pig rich at WOT or you have a vacuum leak somewhere.

A-Train
Old 09-27-2006, 07:54 PM
  #10  
tehLEGOman
 
ACCURATEin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Charlotte, NC
Age: 41
Posts: 9,135
Received 1,982 Likes on 1,335 Posts
The nutrients in the European air will actually deplete the combustion inside the J32. You will need to install an American air purifier and your problem will be corrected. JUST KIDDING!

Look For:
-fuel pressure regulator was properly 'crushed' to the specified amount.
-air filter should not be soaked with the supplied oil...perhaps if it is then air is having a difficult time moving through the foam.
-use 93 octane
-engine oil is fresh
-under wide open throttle, a whine should protrude from under the hood which signifies the gears are rotating inside the blower.
-???

Just brainstorm and think about the issue at hand....what if, what about, maybe this maybe that...

I've had the Comptech supercharger since january and its been nothing but a charm....so have faith in the kit.
Old 09-27-2006, 07:59 PM
  #11  
I'm in
 
PPLAPW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Oregon
Posts: 2,213
Received 20 Likes on 5 Posts
If I remember correctly you had no gain or little gain when you installed your pro-cats.... When through this site the 17-21 WHP gain was proven many times. Did you ever solve this problem? Maybe its your car.... Same thing is happening now that your supercharger is installed.

Check what ACCURATEin said, and see if you can resolve this problem.... If not come back and we will all
Old 09-28-2006, 01:58 AM
  #12  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
yes you were right I noticed no gain with e-shits, so I removed them and have stock headers, still without 3rd cat,

let me comment Accuratein bullet points:
FPR according to instruction has been totally crushed
engine and tranny oil and filters are new
under WOT there is whistle, I do not know if much enough

what presure should it boost - 0,4-,08 PSI ?

why oil supplied by CT is not correct ? what treatment should I use for cleaning ? AEM is good, have from my CAI ?

Other member csmeance has said wait until you drive it for some days/ miles It's been week already,

if you will have more comments or solutions let me know thanks
Old 09-28-2006, 02:05 AM
  #13  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
two more things,

I have raced friend TL (6MT) before S/C and we were more less the same up to 80mph, over 80 he was much faster,
Now I have S/C he has not installed it yet and I am not faster at all, he will install his S/C within next days so we will see if he has the boost we expected,

I know how the S/C works because I had S2000 with CT S/C and reached 310hp under the hood, and my S2k got 280km/h (have video and photos) :-)

I only brainstorm how it happens that with the TL it does not work

The installation is kiddy simple, just screws and bolts, nothing to complicated, maybe the ACM does not work with my ECU ?

AMM 1232710 what problem You exactly have ? PM
Old 09-28-2006, 02:42 AM
  #14  
B A N N E D
 
lookinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: vancouver, BC
Age: 41
Posts: 976
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Do you have a boost gauge to check how much PSI you are boosting. It should be somewhere around 4~5 psi. You might have a leak if you are not boosting and thus the car won't go fast.
Old 09-28-2006, 07:49 AM
  #15  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
have dynoed and wanna attach images, How ?
ihh how strange they are, you gotta see ..
Old 09-28-2006, 08:22 AM
  #16  
321 whp SAE
 
bklynpanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Matawan, NJ
Age: 45
Posts: 1,090
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
acm... get a new one
Old 09-28-2006, 10:28 AM
  #17  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (4)
 
CleanCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: New York, USA
Posts: 5,679
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
check you belt, if its slipping you wont see boost.
Old 09-29-2006, 06:02 AM
  #18  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
hope this is good question,

has anybody with supercharged 5AT raced against stock 6MT ?
any results comments,

I have and he ate me!, so that's the reason I am not happy with SC, I should get approx 60 ponnies more.

Please fellowes TLers try to race 5AT S/C vs 6MT and get back to me
Old 09-29-2006, 12:27 PM
  #19  
I (don't) whine.
iTrader: (1)
 
ussi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Irvine CA
Posts: 1,355
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Bernard1973
have dynoed and wanna attach images, How ?
ihh how strange they are, you gotta see ..
get the image on your computer, then go to a site like imageshack.com and upload it and then copy the URL into the body of the message.
Old 09-29-2006, 12:39 PM
  #20  
The Boss
 
BustedJack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New Jack City
Age: 46
Posts: 4,375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bernard1973
hope this is good question,

has anybody with supercharged 5AT raced against stock 6MT ?
any results comments,

I have and he ate me!, so that's the reason I am not happy with SC, I should get approx 60 ponnies more.

Please fellowes TLers try to race 5AT S/C vs 6MT and get back to me

yes, there are 3 TLs in my neighborhood. Two of them are 6MT and one 5AT. I have a 5AT s/c TL. I only have AEM CAI mod, s/c and exhaust from comptech. I don't have e-shift cats nor pulley.
My neighbor down the street and I raced once when i first got the s/c (within a week) and I smoked the shit out of his 6MT by car lengths in every single gear. He was impressed and later I ran against a 5AT on a road and same result.
Old 09-29-2006, 12:40 PM
  #21  
The Boss
 
BustedJack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New Jack City
Age: 46
Posts: 4,375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by csmeance
doesn't it take like 2-3 days for the TL's compters to learn the supercharger is there and use the extra power?
no, I had immediate gain after Ryan97812 installed it.
Old 09-29-2006, 12:41 PM
  #22  
The Boss
 
BustedJack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New Jack City
Age: 46
Posts: 4,375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CleanCL
check you belt, if its slipping you wont see boost.
I second that.
Old 09-29-2006, 12:47 PM
  #23  
The Boss
 
BustedJack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New Jack City
Age: 46
Posts: 4,375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
yes, there are 3 TLs in my neighborhood. Two of them are 6MT and one 5AT. I have a 5AT s/c TL. I only have AEM CAI mod, s/c and exhaust from comptech. I don't have e-shift cats nor pulley.
My neighbor down the street and I raced once when i first got the s/c (within a week) and I smoked the shit out of his 6MT by car lengths in every single gear. He was impressed and later I ran against a 5AT on a road and same result.
BTW, it's S/C 5AT TL vs 6MT totally stock and S/C 5AT TL vs 5AT TL totally stock.
Old 09-29-2006, 10:41 PM
  #24  
I LOVE MY TL
 
ViNhXoNxAcuraTL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Salem,New Hampshire
Age: 42
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
with a S/C how much WHP would you gain?just a thought..since you got a 5AT S/C.can a stock ek beat a s/c tl?i been hearing story about a swapped gsr motor and a stock engine in a ek can beat a A4,S4 and TL.i heard it from my friend cusin..weird huh?
Old 09-29-2006, 11:04 PM
  #25  
8 second & 150 mph member
iTrader: (2)
 
RYAN97812's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NJ
Age: 45
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...percharger.pdf answer number one, Can a stock ek run 13.60's at 104 mph? NO! Weird, absolutely not, everyone has a factory 10 second car and the all mechanics. OFF TOPIC HERE
Old 10-03-2006, 07:10 AM
  #26  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3569916

here you go, weird for me, I raced the 6MT again and no chances,
have to buy boost gauge and check the boost
also have to check fuel pressure, AFR is good 12:1
Old 10-03-2006, 07:28 AM
  #27  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3569995

second one has english translation of curves
Old 10-07-2006, 02:19 PM
  #28  
10th Gear
 
nit115's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Miami, Florida
Age: 44
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Reinstall

This may be a stupid suggestion but - I know from reading the threads that you have checked everything - why don't you remove everything and reinstall it. It may help you find something that might have been done wrong.

Just my
Old 10-08-2006, 04:27 AM
  #29  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I tought so already,
Old 10-10-2006, 02:39 PM
  #30  
CTS-V Import Slayer
iTrader: (2)
 
MichaelBenz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Fishers, IN
Age: 56
Posts: 4,958
Received 18 Likes on 15 Posts
Any news?
Old 10-12-2006, 03:13 AM
  #31  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I was damn busy, I have double checked AFR and boost, everything seems to OK

Seems that my TL had less power under the hood when came out from plant,
cause I dynoed with S/C on the other DYNO and the result is 270hp on engine.

I have to reinstall the charger and dyno it without...

I would not buy the S/C if I would know the engine is less powered, I would buy new TL and then S/C
Old 10-13-2006, 08:28 AM
  #32  
Intermediate
 
SRT4and05TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Arkansas
Age: 50
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not a expert on S/Cs but sometimes on my SRT board guys install stuff and then realize it's slower or not any faster than before and they have to do a boost leak test. If you're boost is leaking out somewhere it would be almost like you never installed a s/c and might even slow you down cuz it's becomes a drag on the engine. Also, your PCM (or whatever Acura calls their computers) might be pulling timing for some reason. Good luck.
Old 10-31-2006, 11:25 AM
  #33  
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Bernard1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Age: 50
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
look like we both with mario_bbb solved the damn problem,

the FPR has to be sqeezed/ pushed very accurate, the device Comptech provides is shit worth nothing, we have bought with mario_bbb 5 FPRs and tried to reach exact amount of fuel pressure Comptech claims, with correct AFR and boost
So we have our best results with 0,4mm gap between two parts of CT device, we dynoed the cars many times with various numbers 290hp, 320hp, 330hp, and finally we got 341hp under the hood,
now the play starts ... LIFE TO SHORT TO BE SLOW !!!

See You on SEMA if anybody comes, phone me at (860) 9655615 from 1st after 1120PM
Old 10-31-2006, 04:51 PM
  #34  
B A N N E D
 
lookinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: vancouver, BC
Age: 41
Posts: 976
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So you got 341hp out from the comptech supercharger running at 4.5psi? That's some pretty impressive numbers! Do you have a 6MT? What other mods do you have?

What's your A/F ratio like when you did the run at 341hp?
Old 10-31-2006, 04:51 PM
  #35  
Safety Car
 
pimpin-tl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Abilene, TX
Age: 49
Posts: 3,992
Received 148 Likes on 99 Posts
So what FPR did you use?
Old 10-31-2006, 05:21 PM
  #36  
B A N N E D
 
lookinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: vancouver, BC
Age: 41
Posts: 976
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
He is using a modified stock FPR.

So Bernard1973, i guess you got more power after you modified the FRP to run more lean as compared with when you first installed the SC. Correct?
Old 11-01-2006, 03:45 AM
  #37  
313.4WHP& 284.6TQ
 
mmcv6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 41
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
so to make sure I understand this you fixed the problem by crushing the fpr more so that it would run a bit leaner?
Old 11-01-2006, 05:44 AM
  #38  
321 whp SAE
 
bklynpanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Matawan, NJ
Age: 45
Posts: 1,090
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
crushing more = richer... or more pressure,
Old 11-01-2006, 03:14 PM
  #39  
313.4WHP& 284.6TQ
 
mmcv6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Age: 41
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
oppsss.. so he fixed it by not crushing the new stock fpr as much as before?
Old 11-01-2006, 07:29 PM
  #40  
acura-cl.com OG
 
ding069's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Rhode Is Land?
Posts: 5,348
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by lookinco
So you got 341hp out from the comptech supercharger running at 4.5psi? That's some pretty impressive numbers! Do you have a 6MT? What other mods do you have?

What's your A/F ratio like when you did the run at 341hp?
seems real impressive! i'd like to see some 1/4 and 0-60 times.


Quick Reply: Supercharger installed and no gain



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:42 PM.