TLOHTL

Hi,

I am looking for a used s/c for my 2005 Acura TL.

I've seen them running 310whp-325whp stock 6-speed's.

My setup will be : PCD's, atlp v2 j-pipe / test pipe , 2.5" cat back, UR crank pulley. I'm hoping it can hit 330whp.

I'm also considering ATLP v2-R j-pipe as it has a 3" collector , and getting a complete 3" catback. Would the gains be worth it ?

Later I will upgrade : fuel pump, injectors , Hondata Flash pro, Bisi Custom Cam & HBP as I would love to be at around 400whp s/c.

I just drove a customers AT TL with a supercharger on and I was instantly sold. Was considering building a custom turbo kit , but a s/c it is.

What do you guys think ?

justnspace

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sure

NBP04TL4ME

You are going to need some sticky rubber to be able to use all that hp and the gains. You know these cars are FWD, right?

thisaznboi88

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Get hondata first before the s.c

yungone501

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Ahh man....you!

I always see lots of attention on the mechanics of a performance build and less attention to detail on the tuning/electronics aspect. IF you were to ever succeed in building something of this nature, especially using the stock motor (high compression and weak rods), be sure and invest more time and money into engine reliability. Hondata alone is an excellent tool for tuning BUT shouldn't be the only one you have. I too started down the same road when I started running spray on Chevys but then quickly learned the strongest forged pistons and rods as well as sleeved blocks won't sustain under detonation. Our motors use higher compression than most other engines and due to the heat they produce, they are detonation prone. With proper equipment, one could harness the advantages of high compression forced induction.

Two things that should be considered right off the bat is AEM's "failsafe" wideband gauge as well as J&S's Vampire knock controller. These are IMO the most effective at protecting the motor even when you get sloppy anywhere in tuning or parts mechanics (failing fuel pump). Secondly, learning how to street tune your own vehicle is another biggie. Dyno tuning is great for making the MOST power but reliability comes from how the car runs on the road at part throttle where it spends most of its life anyways. Tuners couldn't ever invest the time and care you can with your own car.

Other than that, more power to you and your idea.

thisaznboi88

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^ I texted u I fixed the Mdx camshaft after paying a machine shop to press the Damn thrust bearing downwards. now the next question is how it got that way.

TLOHTL

This is not my " first " or " fastest " FWD FI.
I have a eg coupe and crx both fully built B-series Turbo.
I have 2 TL's & a new f-150 to tow the toys around lol.
But I appreciate your concern

Also as far as safety goes I have a VERY good friend of mine who is a MASTER mechanic and the BEST TUNER in all of Canada. He treats my cars as if they were his , I dont know how many hours and hours hes spent on the dyno and on the street and then coming with me to the track to ensure my cars are PERFECT. So I will be hhavng him fully tune

TLOHTL

Sorry was replying on my phone and had some issues :



This is not my " first " or " fastest " FWD FI.
I have a eg coupe and crx both fully built B-series Turbo.
I have 2 TL's & a new f-150 to tow the toys around lol.
But I appreciate your concern

Also as far as safety goes I have a VERY good friend of mine who is a MASTER mechanic and the BEST TUNER in all of Canada. He treats my cars as if they were his , I dont know how many hours and hours hes spent on the dyno and on the street and then coming with me to the track to ensure my cars are PERFECT. So I will be having him fully tune it using Hondata.
As always Maintence is key. I am SUPER nuts about Maintence. Even if I didn't have access to my own lifts , I would still be putting car up and checking / changing everything. I only use AmsOil Full Synthetic and I change it every 2,500-3,000 kms ( NOT MILES ) Canada Ehhhh .
And if something were to happen there's lots of spare engines around for $500 so I wouldn't even mind.

Anyways I do have 2 track cars , and I have a 08 TL Type-S which is 100% stock to just cruise in, but I fell in love with the looks of the 3G TL and there aren't many really done up in my area so I figured why not. So I bought a 05 6-speed Navi Brembo. I was going to custom fab a complete turbo kit , but I know I would really push the psi up and up and the motor will not take it. I already have 2 built turbo setups, I just want something with balls for the street. And IMHO , the TL isn't supposed to be a CRAZZY race car. Although hats off to all those who have made it one ( there's a local dude pushing 700whp out of his built TL ). Without ppl like that we wouldn't really have any thoughts of making these SLOW reliable Family Sedans MOVE.

So yea.... I'll stop blabbing. I'm still looking for a good used complete blower kit and we will go from there

Any1 with a SC please comment.....

I'm kinda leaning toward the ATLP v2 j-pipe and test pipe route first and then perhaps getting the ATLP v2-R & 3" catback......
If anyone has a j-pipe for sale let me know as I still have the bent stocker

Thanks

kingkong_dav

U won't reach 400

DinishK

Yea, 400 is nearly impossible to achieve

bouncer07

300-350 = SC + Meth (stage 2)
350-430 = Rotrex kit
400+ = go TURBO

IMO, you'll get bored of the S/C easily and will want more power.

NBP04TL4ME

As I mentioned above - even if you get to 400, hell 500 or 600, I'm not sure how usable it's going to be. Maybe at speed for pulling power, but off the line.......????

KN_TL

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When I got into this, I was never going to go beyond the limits of the RDX injectors.

Now look where I am.

Not everyone is doing this for drag racing. Education and fun is where I'm at.

Mondo375

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Were there ever any numbers for the M90?

bouncer07

Technology has been good. Boost by gear, Boost by RPM, Boost control, Traction control... Hondata has it pretty much down.

thisaznboi88

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Flash pro can do boost by gears?

yungone501

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Nope. That would've been nice though...

bouncer07

^^ Hondata has it for Flashpro. Back in 2010.
Hondata's boost control and boost by gear operate by controlling the duty cycle of the boost solenoid.

Hondata allows you to use their boost control in one of two modes.

1. Fixed Duty Cycle - Allows you to set a duty cycle for the solenoid to run at all the time. This basically simulates a stiffer wastegate spring.
2. Duty cycle by gear and rpm - Allows you to use the Boost Control duty lookup table to have fine grained control over your boost throughout the entire operating range of the car. This is what I'll be focusing on as that is where all the fun is.

Boost cut also added by Hondata in conjunction with Boost control for safety.

KN_TL

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I'm pretty sure boost control isn't a feature for our rides......

EDIT:

Confirmed it doesn't and won't.

http://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=17500

bouncer07

Thanks for the clearification, I was hoping we could have a revision done.

screaminz28

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Yeah, we can't even use a boost control solenoid which would be nice to allow for boost tapering in the ECU. Granted, most people here have a turbo that is a 500 - 600 hp monster and tapering wouldn't be beneficial, but in the case of a turbo that could use it, it would be nice. Apparently our ECU doesn't have enough spare PWM outputs.

doh - just realized that KN referenced my question on the Hondata forum...lol. I didn't think of boost by gear the same as a boost control solenoid, but you cant do one without the other.

screaminz28

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KN, I know you had or have the MS3 - does it allow for a boost control solenoid? While I'd love the flashpro since it is a stock ECU, I'm looking more and more at the MS3 Pro since it is nearly the same in price and also has knock control. Doubt it is as good as a J&S, but anything is better than the stock Honda.

KN_TL

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I do and it does have both boost control and knock detect/reaction capability.

The original knock sensor was a home made thing called "knocksense", the newer unit plugs into the MS3.

I would have stayed with the MS3 but couldn't get a handle on the idle.

Marcelechka

Atlas.46

Flashpro first and then look into Gerzands Rotrex setup. That will get you to your goal and if not surpass it.

6spd-GERCO

I personally wouldn't like using the Rotrex since you loose the A/C. That's a though selling point on the system, but it's a much better charger than the MP62. Listen to Atlas.46 and definitely get the FlashPro first. I have it myself and the car just runs so much better!

FYI if you still have your heart set on it there's a comptech supercharger on eBay for a starting bid of $2,500 ends July 4th 2014 at 5:00PM

MAS

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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88

Get hondata first before the s.c

I would say this is solid advice because having the FP first will let you get adventurous with tuning for max power but still feel some confidence. And for the HBP its almost a pre-requisite.

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Originally Posted by yungone501

Ahh man....you!

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Secondly, learning how to street tune your own vehicle is another biggie. Dyno tuning is great for making the MOST power but reliability comes from how the car runs on the road at part throttle where it spends most of its life anyways. Tuners couldn't ever invest the time and care you can with your own car.

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This is a very true statement. I wish i had the time to learn and street tune it myself as i'm sure it would have been tons of learning and fun. I opted for the next best thing with vittuned.com who spent months going back and forth with me tuning the car to perfection. This guy can truly afford the patience to do it right since he's sitting home on his PC while he's doing it as opposed to being in a hurry to get the next guy on the dyno like most tuners.

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Originally Posted by KN_TL

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Not everyone is doing this for drag racing. Education and fun is where I'm at.

Couldn't agree more!

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Originally Posted by Richkid1102

You've been awful quiet.






OP, i've got the Comptech S/C with meth injection, HBP, injectors, CAI, Hondata tune, PCDs, ATLP exhaust. Thats probably about maxed out without getting into the turbo world (i just dont have the balls or time to go that far). I can tell you power is great (with the HBP it is significantly stronger than without it....so imagine what you test drove but but much better and louder) . Drivability is great (wouldn't know its there until you floor it and all hell breaks loose). Reliability has been great (have had it for over a year).

I highly recommend. Yes, as with any mods you might grow out of it and want more but if you just want to make a great car better and enjoy some solid performance to go with the sporty looks of the TL you should be satisfied.

Enjoy the journey of learning about this system and how to keep taking it to the highest level. As KN said thats the fun in the whole thing.


PS - i believe there are a couple currently on the BM. You only live once....just do it.

H23Accord

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In looking at his plans, it looks like the one addition that most of us don't have is the cam. I'm wondering how much additional power that cam will make, where it would make it, and how close that would put him to the 400 mark. I need to dyno but I would guess I am probably 50whp from 400 based on other dynos I have seen. Actually I'm just now noticing my setup is almost like Mas'.

Mas do you know what numbers you are putting down?

TLOHTL

Thanks guys.
And I'm talking to a few guys on here about there s/c For Sale.

I am also interested in Mas's mods and output.

Slpr04UA6

^here is a link to MAS's progress thread. Tried to find where the SC posts started, could be a cple pages prior to this.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...737488&page=10