Pulled the trigger on the supercharger!
06-16-2009, 03:52 PM
#81
I can't wait to get this installed tomorrow. I'm bringing it down to Josh at Excellerate to do the install. I want to get it on the dyno see how much HP it makes and also to measure the Air/Fuel ratio and then decide from there whether to get it tuned and/or add the meth kit. All this stuff just seem be keep on adding up!!!!
06-16-2009, 08:20 PM
#83
Three Wheelin'
tihomirbrg.......i couldn't find the NGK plug part#, however, its easy to just call them, and ask them for it.
here's a pic of the nozzle location on my kit.
http://tinypic.com/r/xf12f5/5
Last edited by Opel; 06-16-2009 at 08:24 PM.
06-16-2009, 09:32 PM
#84
tihomirbrg.......i couldn't find the NGK plug part#, however, its easy to just call them, and ask them for it.
here's a pic of the nozzle location on my kit.
http://tinypic.com/r/xf12f5/5
here's a pic of the nozzle location on my kit.
http://tinypic.com/r/xf12f5/5
06-16-2009, 09:37 PM
#85
tihomirbrg.......i couldn't find the NGK plug part#, however, its easy to just call them, and ask them for it.
here's a pic of the nozzle location on my kit.
http://tinypic.com/r/xf12f5/5
here's a pic of the nozzle location on my kit.
http://tinypic.com/r/xf12f5/5
06-16-2009, 09:38 PM
#86
04accordcpe. THANK YOU for posting. ive been waiting for your post since you pretty much worked out all the kinks.
on joes car it will be the first time installing the kit on a TL. on other cars its the same general idea but the engine bay is COMPLETELY different.
what nozzle did you use? 175ml/min right? that nozzle is good for 250-350. can you tell me more about the way your controller was setup? whether you set it for boost, or the map sensor and what not
on joes car it will be the first time installing the kit on a TL. on other cars its the same general idea but the engine bay is COMPLETELY different.
what nozzle did you use? 175ml/min right? that nozzle is good for 250-350. can you tell me more about the way your controller was setup? whether you set it for boost, or the map sensor and what not
the controller is set at 2 psi, which is triggered by the vacuum.
Originally Posted by apnorm
Opel mentioned in his earlier post about the denso plugs included in the kit being a problem. Can any of you supercharged guys confirm this? Have you run into problems and had to updgrade the plugs yet? And if so, did you go 2 steps colder or stick with 1 step colder than stock?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by ihomirbg
was about to ask the same. My understanding is that the plugs that come with the SC are only 1 stage cooler than stock. Opel said that we might need to consider 2 stages cooler than stock which makes sense since there is so much heat generated there.
Originally Posted by ihomirbg
So you have AEM meth kit. Did you say it is 100 meth or the mix 50/50?
It only sprays when you go into V-tec? Some are saying to have minimum going in at around 2 psi and have 100 going in at WOT.
It only sprays when you go into V-tec? Some are saying to have minimum going in at around 2 psi and have 100 going in at WOT.
06-16-2009, 09:59 PM
#87
Three Wheelin'
the CT supplied mushroom looking airfilter still sits in the engine bay, so of course connecting a CAI to the SC would bring in cooler air.
I may have gotten it wrong but whatever colder step the densos are, they're still my biggest enemy. So goodluck to whoever.
CT is and has been our only option for boost but they still suck, the kit comes with a primitive piggy back, pure intake filter knowing the SC blows out massive amounts of heat, and all they really did for the kit is, a goddamn intake housing and a stupid elbow to the IM. SC is a Magnuson MP62 with extended shaft..... $4500 is way too much for what they give you.
btw....ACCORD....do you have any idea at what PSI the SC maxes out? I know they start loosing efficiency after 16000 rpm, but i dont know what PSI that would be
I may have gotten it wrong but whatever colder step the densos are, they're still my biggest enemy. So goodluck to whoever.
CT is and has been our only option for boost but they still suck, the kit comes with a primitive piggy back, pure intake filter knowing the SC blows out massive amounts of heat, and all they really did for the kit is, a goddamn intake housing and a stupid elbow to the IM. SC is a Magnuson MP62 with extended shaft..... $4500 is way too much for what they give you.
btw....ACCORD....do you have any idea at what PSI the SC maxes out? I know they start loosing efficiency after 16000 rpm, but i dont know what PSI that would be
06-16-2009, 10:20 PM
#89
the CT supplied mushroom looking airfilter still sits in the engine bay, so of course connecting a CAI to the SC would bring in cooler air.
I may have gotten it wrong but whatever colder step the densos are, they're still my biggest enemy. So goodluck to whoever.
CT is and has been our only option for boost but they still suck, the kit comes with a primitive piggy back, pure intake filter knowing the SC blows out massive amounts of heat, and all they really did for the kit is, a goddamn intake housing and a stupid elbow to the IM. SC is a Magnuson MP62 with extended shaft..... $4500 is way too much for what they give you.
btw....ACCORD....do you have any idea at what PSI the SC maxes out? I know they start loosing efficiency after 16000 rpm, but i dont know what PSI that would be
I may have gotten it wrong but whatever colder step the densos are, they're still my biggest enemy. So goodluck to whoever.
CT is and has been our only option for boost but they still suck, the kit comes with a primitive piggy back, pure intake filter knowing the SC blows out massive amounts of heat, and all they really did for the kit is, a goddamn intake housing and a stupid elbow to the IM. SC is a Magnuson MP62 with extended shaft..... $4500 is way too much for what they give you.
btw....ACCORD....do you have any idea at what PSI the SC maxes out? I know they start loosing efficiency after 16000 rpm, but i dont know what PSI that would be
10PSI would be max IMO.
06-17-2009, 05:40 AM
#92
Unfortunately, that's with the mods! It's tough to judge as each dyno machine is different. My previous dyno was mid to high 230's and that was before I added the exhaust but it was on a different dyno at a different shop. I think they had a dynojet.
In any case, I found a shop closer to my house that I liked and got it dyno'd just so I can see what gains come out of the installing the supercharger. I can't remember the name of the dyno but it was at SD-Concepts...it might be on their website. Getting the install today and hopefully a dyno in a week or so...will keep everybody updated.
In any case, I found a shop closer to my house that I liked and got it dyno'd just so I can see what gains come out of the installing the supercharger. I can't remember the name of the dyno but it was at SD-Concepts...it might be on their website. Getting the install today and hopefully a dyno in a week or so...will keep everybody updated.
06-17-2009, 12:30 PM
#93
Unfortunately, that's with the mods! It's tough to judge as each dyno machine is different. My previous dyno was mid to high 230's and that was before I added the exhaust but it was on a different dyno at a different shop. I think they had a dynojet.
In any case, I found a shop closer to my house that I liked and got it dyno'd just so I can see what gains come out of the installing the supercharger. I can't remember the name of the dyno but it was at SD-Concepts...it might be on their website. Getting the install today and hopefully a dyno in a week or so...will keep everybody updated.
In any case, I found a shop closer to my house that I liked and got it dyno'd just so I can see what gains come out of the installing the supercharger. I can't remember the name of the dyno but it was at SD-Concepts...it might be on their website. Getting the install today and hopefully a dyno in a week or so...will keep everybody updated.
06-17-2009, 08:24 PM
#95
Three Wheelin'
06-18-2009, 01:18 PM
#98
Finally happened! I ended up picking up the car at 9PM. I had mixed feelings at first but the more I play around with the car, the more I like it. It's probably due to not knowing what to expect. The car is most definitely quicker and I'm very happy with it.
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
06-18-2009, 02:58 PM
#100
Three Wheelin'
The CT SC kit is way overpriced for what you get.... but its been our only option for boost.... you dont get a fuel pump, you dont get injectors, you get crappy spark plugs, you dont get a real piggyback, you get a bad air intake, you dont get enough power to justify the price..the reason to that is, the car has weak pistons and high compression...we can understand that its risky, but that could've been perfected, had they built a better goddamn piggyback....all it needed was a fine tune...but CT lacks that.
and u gotta buy a new battery which is not necessary bcs they could've just made a bigger tray and a bit lower to fit the stock size battery...and then some ppl can't install it themselves so they gotta pay for labor too... and whoever is as unlucky as me, will end up blowing 2 motors on stock boost...and that my friends is LACK OF A PROPER GODDAMN TUNEABLE PIGGYBACK.
they could've at least included a water/meth injection kit....justify that $5000 a bit...cause the offered power, sure as hell doesn't
and u gotta buy a new battery which is not necessary bcs they could've just made a bigger tray and a bit lower to fit the stock size battery...and then some ppl can't install it themselves so they gotta pay for labor too... and whoever is as unlucky as me, will end up blowing 2 motors on stock boost...and that my friends is LACK OF A PROPER GODDAMN TUNEABLE PIGGYBACK.
they could've at least included a water/meth injection kit....justify that $5000 a bit...cause the offered power, sure as hell doesn't
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
#101
The CT SC kit is way overpriced for what you get.... but its been our only option for boost.... you dont get a fuel pump, you dont get injectors, you get crappy spark plugs, you dont get a real piggyback, you get a bad air intake, you dont get enough power to justify the price..the reason to that is, the car has weak pistons and high compression...we can understand that its risky, but that could've been perfected, had they built a better goddamn piggyback....all it needed was a fine tune...but CT lacks that.
and u gotta buy a new battery which is not necessary bcs they could've just made a bigger tray and a bit lower to fit the stock size battery...and then some ppl can't install it themselves so they gotta pay for labor too... and whoever is as unlucky as me, will end up blowing 2 motors on stock boost...and that my friends is LACK OF A PROPER GODDAMN TUNEABLE PIGGYBACK.
they could've at least included a water/meth injection kit....justify that $5000 a bit...cause the offered power, sure as hell doesn't
and u gotta buy a new battery which is not necessary bcs they could've just made a bigger tray and a bit lower to fit the stock size battery...and then some ppl can't install it themselves so they gotta pay for labor too... and whoever is as unlucky as me, will end up blowing 2 motors on stock boost...and that my friends is LACK OF A PROPER GODDAMN TUNEABLE PIGGYBACK.
they could've at least included a water/meth injection kit....justify that $5000 a bit...cause the offered power, sure as hell doesn't
The tunning is another deal, I wish more work was done to start with, but that would just make more power. Sound like you must have been pretty hard on the car to go through 2 engines or had some really bad luck.
There are many people who are happy with their blowers, so I would not discourage anyone from going this route.
06-18-2009, 03:24 PM
#102
Finally happened! I ended up picking up the car at 9PM. I had mixed feelings at first but the more I play around with the car, the more I like it. It's probably due to not knowing what to expect. The car is most definitely quicker and I'm very happy with it.
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
Keep driving it around for awhile. The Ecu takes some time to adjust to the new found air flow and power. My car felt good but not as fast as I expected straight out of the shop after the blower install. Once I got some miles on it the performance picked up very nicely.
The clutch on these cars is strange so you need to be fully engauged before going into boost or getting on the car hard. Full throttle shifts will result in massive clutch slipage. Once engauged that clutch will hold the power just fine. Once you get use to it you came smoke the tires with the clutch engauged all the time.
As far as the VSA I keep mine on almost all the time, with this much power you are going to want the help. Congrads on the new blower, just don't push the car too hard.
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
#103
Finally happened! I ended up picking up the car at 9PM. I had mixed feelings at first but the more I play around with the car, the more I like it. It's probably due to not knowing what to expect. The car is most definitely quicker and I'm very happy with it.
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
So overall you are happy and all but not as much power as you were hoping for?
Anyway, as "Hi speed" said, drive the car for a week or so and see what happens. See if the ECU starts recognizing the change.
06-18-2009, 03:54 PM
#105
Finally happened! I ended up picking up the car at 9PM. I had mixed feelings at first but the more I play around with the car, the more I like it. It's probably due to not knowing what to expect. The car is most definitely quicker and I'm very happy with it.
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
During normal driving, you wouldn't know it was supercharged. There's no whine unless you really rev the engine. And if you're in 4th gear at 2k rpm and floor it, there's NOT a sudden rush of acceleration. I haven't played around too much with the car yet but in first gear, it seems like there's too much power...get ready for even more torque steer. I'm thinking for maximum acceleration, you won't need to go full throttle in first gear. I'm still waiting for the opportunity to find an empty stretch of road where I can take VSA off and redline through first and second from a standstill.
Overall very happy with the purchase and big thanks to Josh and his mechanic (sorry - forgot his name already).
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
#106
I know it sounds stupid that the car would get better mileage, but after the blower you are not on the gas as much. You are only using more gas when in boost and from my experance you can't stay in boost very long anyway before you hit a tree or the rev limiter.
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
#107
Three Wheelin'
Not really sure what you are talking about interms of power. I am making 100+ hp over stock.
The tunning is another deal, I wish more work was done to start with, but that would just make more power. Sound like you must have been pretty hard on the car to go through 2 engines or had some really bad luck.
There are many people who are happy with their blowers, so I would not discourage anyone from going this route.
The tunning is another deal, I wish more work was done to start with, but that would just make more power. Sound like you must have been pretty hard on the car to go through 2 engines or had some really bad luck.
There are many people who are happy with their blowers, so I would not discourage anyone from going this route.
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
#108
$5000 for the SC kit on a stock setup with 4-5 psi only makes....the most and thats pushing it 70 Whp..... what you do with the rest of the car is another thing and involves more money being spent... if you took that kit and installed it on a bone stock TL...it will not make an additional 100+ whp as u claim, 100 whp with only 4-5 psi on a v6 with no proper tune would be supernatural, unless you had 13.0:1 compression ... im making 370 WHP on 6.5 psi...but there's more than just a SC..... so if u wanna look at it... im making 150 additional WHP...but it aint SC alone and it also aint stock boost level either
What I am saying is add some hi flow cats and a full exhaust and you are sitting on an additional 100 if not more HP. Granted I am 10k deep 320 WHP is not bad. You are making 150 extra HP but bagging on the blower as being not worth it.
06-18-2009, 04:54 PM
#109
Three Wheelin'
again, the SC alone only gives u the 60-70 additional whp....thats $5000
adding other stuff needs more $$$$, so yeah
im on my way to well over 400 whp, about 420 whp... but of course, thats more money on top of the SC lol
adding other stuff needs more $$$$, so yeah
im on my way to well over 400 whp, about 420 whp... but of course, thats more money on top of the SC lol
06-18-2009, 04:59 PM
#110
^I think I understand what you're saying... So what can you expect from a 5k s/c for other auto applications? I'm contemplating this too, and yeah I'm planning on putting more money in to get the most out of this s/c.
06-18-2009, 05:33 PM
#111
I think I know what Opel is saying and I agree somehow. $5000 for boost to me should be at least 100 HP on top. However, in our case it gives us only about 60 HP on stock TL. Add other things such as meth kit and pulleys and you go over the 60HP. But of course we are talking $$$$ which does not make sense and would be better to sell the TL and buy some Evo 8 or 9.
06-18-2009, 05:49 PM
#113
^ well yeah, because to get the 'most' out of it you'll have to add more stuff. Meth kit, hiflow cats or precat deletes, j-pipe, test pipe, and catback. And then if you add all that you will probably wanna get gauges and meters to monitor all that. That doesn't include labor and that's on top 5k spent for a new blower. With that being said, I'm probably still looking at this. It's our only option, unless the turbo kit proves to be a viable alternative.
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06-18-2009, 07:51 PM
#115
Keep driving it around for awhile. The Ecu takes some time to adjust to the new found air flow and power. My car felt good but not as fast as I expected straight out of the shop after the blower install. Once I got some miles on it the performance picked up very nicely.
The clutch on these cars is strange so you need to be fully engauged before going into boost or getting on the car hard. Full throttle shifts will result in massive clutch slipage. Once engauged that clutch will hold the power just fine. Once you get use to it you came smoke the tires with the clutch engauged all the time.
As far as the VSA I keep mine on almost all the time, with this much power you are going to want the help. Congrads on the new blower, just don't push the car too hard.
The clutch on these cars is strange so you need to be fully engauged before going into boost or getting on the car hard. Full throttle shifts will result in massive clutch slipage. Once engauged that clutch will hold the power just fine. Once you get use to it you came smoke the tires with the clutch engauged all the time.
As far as the VSA I keep mine on almost all the time, with this much power you are going to want the help. Congrads on the new blower, just don't push the car too hard.
06-18-2009, 08:07 PM
#117
Three Wheelin'
well, i can't stop at this point....its already too late.... i have custom forged pistons 
. (shhhhhh) lol
so i will take advantage and squeeze every last psi out of that expensive (hair dryer)-SC lol
. (shhhhhh) lolso i will take advantage and squeeze every last psi out of that expensive (hair dryer)-SC lol
06-18-2009, 08:18 PM
#119
Three Wheelin'
its very hard, man.... there's no 1st and 2nd gear AT ALL,
rolling on 2nd and just punching it from like 3400 rpm , breaks the tires loose all the way to 7000....and im talking about really good tires, in the summer heat where the tires grab
btw....you ever hear one with open downpipe? lol..... SCARYYYYYYY
06-18-2009, 08:22 PM
#120
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What M62 based supercharger kit sells for that low of a price? None. It isn't Comptech's fault the platform they're working with isn't ideal. (High compression, FWD, difficult ECU, etc). You guys aren't being realistic.