Precat Deletes
07-01-2008, 07:17 AM
#202
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Please ship!!!!!!!!
You teasing bastard!!!!
Also- can anyone that has their TL on a lift in the near future chuck up a pic of the access panel and where to put in the screwdriver? I appreciate it!!
Please ship!!!!!!!!
You teasing bastard!!!!Also- can anyone that has their TL on a lift in the near future chuck up a pic of the access panel and where to put in the screwdriver? I appreciate it!!
07-02-2008, 01:02 AM
#203
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Autozone canceled my order for the defoulers today. I was able to have napa order me 30 sets hopefully they pulled through. Everything should be shipped tomorrow or Thursday if everything goes right. I apologize for the delay.
07-04-2008, 01:30 AM
#206
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if anyone in NYC or NJ need these installed... pm me, I am volunteering my services... price? 50% off watever a mechanic decides he wants to charge...
expect to get quoted 4-5hours... I can do it in less... for less
expect to get quoted 4-5hours... I can do it in less... for less
07-04-2008, 09:48 AM
#208
Originally Posted by stillhere153
if anyone in NYC or NJ need these installed... pm me, I am volunteering my services... price? 50% off watever a mechanic decides he wants to charge...
expect to get quoted 4-5hours... I can do it in less... for less
expect to get quoted 4-5hours... I can do it in less... for less
any plans to come to Texas?
07-04-2008, 12:21 PM
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07-07-2008, 12:49 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by pass427
i tried to pm u but i couldnt get acess could u pm me with price of j pipe and cat delete
07-07-2008, 03:03 AM
#222
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Originally Posted by pass427
i tried to pm u but i couldnt get acess could u pm me with price of j pipe and cat delete
07-07-2008, 03:26 PM
#225
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
so who's gonna be the first to DIY how to install these puppies? I'm getting my exhaust welded up tomorrow, and these should be here in time to install over the weekend.
Also, Richie is saying that wrapping them = bad and could crack them, opinions?
Also, Richie is saying that wrapping them = bad and could crack them, opinions?
07-07-2008, 09:28 PM
#230
Originally Posted by HQTL6SPD
^Then why would they use wrap on race cars? 
Wrapping those pipes would result 99% accelerated corrosion and 1% performance gain.
I'd seriously reconsider wrapping anything on a daily driven car... There's really no need at all.
07-08-2008, 06:18 AM
#231
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
Originally Posted by Kennedy
Because racecars run at full throttle for hours at a time... never get wet, and the engine gets rebuilt after every race. Are our TL's racecars now?
Wrapping those pipes would result 99% accelerated corrosion and 1% performance gain.
I'd seriously reconsider wrapping anything on a daily driven car... There's really no need at all.
Wrapping those pipes would result 99% accelerated corrosion and 1% performance gain.
I'd seriously reconsider wrapping anything on a daily driven car... There's really no need at all.
07-08-2008, 06:20 AM
#232
Three Wheelin'
Really?.. I wrapped my atlp j-pipe using black exhaust wrap by DEI, but it came with a silicone spray. That's the main reason why I chose them, because of their silicone spray. It disperses water very well imo...
07-08-2008, 06:40 AM
#233
07-08-2008, 12:23 PM
#234
So here's the deal...
Wrapping was introduced for HEADERS not "collectors" as you see them. Headers have each exhaust port individually leaving the head, down to the collector. In this situation there is a LOT of pipe surface area that can result in heat transfer under the hood... and frankly, many of the old american engine's accessory components were right next to these headers, which placed them at risk of overheating in high output situations
Here's an interesting statement right off the Pegasus wrap page: "All header wraps contribute to shorter header life due to the intense heat within the wrap"
The surface area of the collector pipes that richie makes is so small that wrapping them would result in little to no gain. Wrapping the pipes all the way to the Jpipe might be helpful if you full throttle your TL as a race car... but ONLY if you drive like that.
The risk you take in doing that though, is the following (just google header wrap corrosion):
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87518
Eevn with stainless steel... and especially if you livve anywhere that has a winter.
The problem is that these wraps hold the moisture against the pipe. Water's amazing, it will work it's way into every nook and cranny. Compound that with driving tthe winter slush, and highly corrosive anti freezing agent they put on the road.
This is why wraps are for racecars that never drive in these conditions... The performance trade off isn' there.
As for the pro-cats, they were not made out of stainless (only cat canister was), they were wrapped, and I drove with mine for 6 months or so and they looked like shit when I removed them. No idea why they bothered to wrap them anyway. Stockers aren't wrapped.
Do what ya want guys... This the same forum that honestly believes that gold space foil (sorry Al), plastic manifold spacers, and ground wires are power gainers...
but Blacura's right, keep the bling.
BTW, check with Mike (atlp) and Ritchie if they'll honor a warranty in 2 years if these parts have corroded badly after being wrapped... The answer will be a resounding NO.
Is it worth
Wrapping was introduced for HEADERS not "collectors" as you see them. Headers have each exhaust port individually leaving the head, down to the collector. In this situation there is a LOT of pipe surface area that can result in heat transfer under the hood... and frankly, many of the old american engine's accessory components were right next to these headers, which placed them at risk of overheating in high output situations
Here's an interesting statement right off the Pegasus wrap page: "All header wraps contribute to shorter header life due to the intense heat within the wrap"
The surface area of the collector pipes that richie makes is so small that wrapping them would result in little to no gain. Wrapping the pipes all the way to the Jpipe might be helpful if you full throttle your TL as a race car... but ONLY if you drive like that.
The risk you take in doing that though, is the following (just google header wrap corrosion):
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87518
Eevn with stainless steel... and especially if you livve anywhere that has a winter.
The problem is that these wraps hold the moisture against the pipe. Water's amazing, it will work it's way into every nook and cranny. Compound that with driving tthe winter slush, and highly corrosive anti freezing agent they put on the road.
This is why wraps are for racecars that never drive in these conditions... The performance trade off isn' there.
As for the pro-cats, they were not made out of stainless (only cat canister was), they were wrapped, and I drove with mine for 6 months or so and they looked like shit when I removed them. No idea why they bothered to wrap them anyway. Stockers aren't wrapped.
Do what ya want guys... This the same forum that honestly believes that gold space foil (sorry Al), plastic manifold spacers, and ground wires are power gainers...
but Blacura's right, keep the bling.
BTW, check with Mike (atlp) and Ritchie if they'll honor a warranty in 2 years if these parts have corroded badly after being wrapped... The answer will be a resounding NO.
Is it worth
07-08-2008, 02:19 PM
#235
Quiet, Rika Neenja!
well we don't really have a winter here in Tampa (gets down to a frigid 50ish in Jan/Feb) but we do have water. plenty of that. this seriously wouldn't decrease underhood temps? I drive my TL about 6000 miles a year max, mostly just 10 miles a day to/from work and the gym. if there's nothing to be gained from this, then F it, but if it would keep the bay cooler then I'd consider it.
07-08-2008, 02:53 PM
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If you break the wrap in properly and then you spray it with a coating you'll be fine. Yes more heat inside of it will cause more deterioration of the metal, but how long do you plan on having the car? it will significantly lower underhood temps and prolong the life of all the components. It's just like when people use a turbo blanket, including me, Yeah it decreases the life of the turbo, but saves everything else, so what if I only get 50,000 miles of the snail instead of 60,000....I'll be in the market for a new one or have sold the car by then...at least nothing else will have been damaged.
07-08-2008, 05:55 PM
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def gonna be raspy... since you don't have a resonator with the atlp catback... might need to consider customizing a small resonator in the 3rd cat location