Grand_hustle17

Im not sure im asking about something already answered, ive searched youtube with almost little luck... I would just like to see/hear the sound clips of any 3G TL with just PCD as an exhaust mod... Stock J-pipe, stock 3rd cat and stock catback....

Scottwax

Try searching Accords too, pretty popular mod on v6performance.

JJH

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I'm stock catback with just RV6 PCDs and V3 jpipe. PCDs make the exhaust sound more throaty and not as deep as before. I had PCDs with stock jpipe before swapping over my V3 jpipe. I don't like the sound to be honest, but I'll deal with it until I get a catback.

Grand_hustle17

Im not a fan of J pipes n most likely wont buy one...

05_NBP_TL

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^The stock j-pipe is restrictive. running the Pcd's with factory j pipe wont see the gains that everyone has mentioned.

I ran pcd's, rvd j pipe, resonated test pipe, and factory catback with mid muffler removed and the sound was OK. noticeable when you step on the gas, and quiet at highway speeds.

SharksBreath

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grand hustle, if you ever want to get together and hear my set up just let me know. i'm pretty sure you're local to me.

i don't have exactly what you're asking about, but hopefully it'll help.

aem v2, v3 pcd's, v3 jpipe, xlr8 resonated quad catback.

justnspace

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he's afraid of the jpipe losing like 3hp.

Nick216

After u see factory jpipe side by side with after market. You will realise how much garbage it is. Mine literally cracked in half when i took it out too.

SharksBreath

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^he's seen it. he just doesn't care to believe it!

why? because a friend of his told him otherwise. (at least that's how the story goes)

maharajamd

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Lol

1black_seven

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Not exactly what you're looking for, but here's for a reference.

DC Sports CAI, V3 PCDs, V3 j-pipe.


Everyone that hears it loves the sound. It sounds great under WOT, but just casual driving it sounds cruddy(to me) around 3k rpms.

EvilVirus

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Grand_hustle17

Friend didnt tell me otherwise... Saw it for myself... I dont care how metal that ill never see look... Yea hopefully we can get together.. im in moco

Grand_hustle17

Hmm.. oh really... What did u dyno..... Type S here dynos 291whp with stock J-pipe lol.. curious how u came to that conclusion though

Grand_hustle17

Thx bro... Oem mufflers are breaking my heart lol... I reeeally really love the tips but that sound isnt cutting it lol

Turbocoop

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I have pcds with a v1 jpipe, magnaflow resonator, no mid muffler and stock mufflers. Its a little raspy at 3k but im gonna put another resonator on to try to fix it. I want my car quiet so I hate the sound- its like a damn riced out accord

talmadgeryan

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Have any of you that installed your pcd and noticed your car runs very rich? a little black smoke when you punch the accelerator? overwhelming smell of burned fuel? I do not notice the smell when my windows are up, but it is pretty strong when windows down sitting at a redlight.

Nick216

Not sure about smoke, but i know pcds make your car smell.

justnspace

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what the heck do you expect running NO CATS!

Turbocoop

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leave the 3rd cat on and the smell isnt too bad

96cd5

I have PCD and rear muffler delete. Sound? Orgasmic!!! I always got comments on the rear muffler delete everywhere. Keep my stock tips too. I'll try and get a video up once my clutch get good and broke in.

1black_seven

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I am running completely catless with a MM delete. I had a *pop* come out the back shifting out of 6k rpms. I thought it was cool until I remembered I have an automatic and my engine probably misfired.

NvrDwn

If you have a jpipe and add pcds, the pcds won't gain that much. If you have pcds and add a jpipe the jpipe won't add that much. Which ever of the two you do first will gain the most leaving the second one to gain little. That's why I'm stock jpipe right now. 450-500 for about 5-6whp? Nah not right now. Hell the jpipe is the last bolt on I need before I'm fully bolted. But op, you are going to have a hard time finding a video.

TLOHTL

OP : the v3 pcd's made by rv6 are awesome. Just get them. I wish I would have taken a video of the sound though. The v3 pcd's were my second mod, first was aem cai. These pcd's added 16whp to my setup. The car has been transformed.
There was 0 rasp when I only had pcd & aem cai and I removed stock resontator. However after I installed the rv6 v3 j-pipe there was a shit load of rasp.

Ive said this before and ill say it again : all 3 j-pipes on the market were made for cars with stock Pre-Cats. I have yet to see a documented positive outcome of b4/after j-pipe on a tl with pcd's. I lost 6whp & 12wtq. Theres a reason our J-series has such a crappy j-pipe and 3 cats on there. Changing some of the oem junk is beneficial. ... but removing everything is not the answer. Just my 0.02.

Anyways do the rv6 v3 pcd's. Richie did an awesome job. You will not be disappointed !

Nick216

Impossible.

dandaman15

In order to gain the most performance, you need to increase the flow in and out of the motor. Keeping the stock pre-cats and adding a j-pipe, or getting pcd's and keeping stock will not perform as well as both pcd's and j-pipe. I agree with NvrDwn that getting PCD's first will net the best gain initially, and the j-pipe after wont be as noticeable. But there will still be a gain. The problem is that when you change the PCD's and add the O2 defoulers, it messes with the stock computer method of adjusting the AFR. Taking the sensors out of the path of actual exhaust is great for eliminating the CEL, but its not getting accurate data and usually runs very rich. Hence the "black cloud" people see when they stomp on it. I guarantee if the cars afr was adjusted and tuned for you would see the gains.

As stated above, even though the parts do flow better, the PCD's wont make the car run 100% just due to how the stock computers work with adjusting afr from the O2 sensor. The process to perfect how it runs where the factory placed the O2 is a lot of work to say the least. Moving it out of the path of exhaust and expecting the car to run how it should is foolish.

Nick216

^ of course it wont run to its potential, but your not going to lose hp/tq from free flowing exhaust mods.. he said he lost 6hp/12tq when adding a jpipe to his car that had pcds. third cat doesnt even have a sensor, so after the jpipe the afr is gona be the same as it was with pcds.

dandaman15

Without seeing the dyno its hard to know what he means by 6hp/12tq. Is that peak or midrange? Its also hard to tell without the afr displayed either, but usually it will be a midrange hit, and thats due to the car not really knowing how much to fuel to add once he hits WOT. The excess fuel can screw with the timing during the VTEC crossover too. It can cut timing to prevent detonation and you will lose HP from the crossover to peak. But either way, you can very easily lose HP and TQ.

I never even mentioned anything about a third cat, I said pre-cats or the warm-up cats on the head. Those have the sensors and monitor the Oxygen content of the burned fuel and adjust the incoming fuel. There is no AFR in the exhaust because the fuel has already been combusted, so Im not sure what you even mean by the last sentence.

TLOHTL

Why is it that you seem to think it's impossible to lose hp with a j-pipe and pcds? I will post the dyno again when I have a minute I did post it on this forum b4. Car made 240whp with aem cai and v3 pcds. It then lost 6whp &12wtq peak after installing the v3 j-pipe. Car then made 240whp again with stock j pipe and made 244whp with adding a crank light weight pulley.
Then i installed a test pipe and a custom 2.5" cat back. The car lost a few hp &tq. So. There seems to be something about pcds and the j-pipe/3rd cat.

I feel on a stockish 3.2tl making it too free flowing (pcds j pipe delete 3rdcat ) wont be beneficial, as doing this on a built tl ( higher comp, cams etc or FI ) will obviiusly gain huge.
Anyways this is just my 0.02. I have data to back it up, and again I have yet to see any gains b4/after on a dyno with a base TL with pcds and then installing a j-pipe.....

Most ppl install a j-pipe on their tl after pcds and " claim " huge gains. By there butt dyno.
I too felt my tl was faster with the v3 j-pipe but what it did was add power in the low - mid end , but after vtec and peak it lost. Butt dyno or real life b4/after dyno ? Hmmmm...

Anyways back to the OP : grandhustle17 : do the v3 pcd's. Rv6 has done an awesome job creating these for us 3g tl owners.

NvrDwn

Shorter primaries ftw. Also to those who don't know our engines love to breath, but don't care about exhaling as much, in fact to much has been said to lose power. Paul told me that he doesn't do much to the exhaust side of the head for that reason. Apparently our engines like a little back pressure.

TLOHTL

I have had the same talks with him.
Again I have experience this with b4/after dyno results.
It's a shame that MANY people " assume " that a new shiny J-pipe under their car " transforms " the TL

JJH

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I'm going to dyno with and without jpipe to put this argument to rest. I'm fully bolted on both sides of the engine.

96cd5

Not the best video for the note but it gives u alittle idea. There was a car in front of me.

NvrDwn

A dyno does mean much when your changing your exhaust primary length. Some setups may agree and some may disagree. And in any case you are tuned so you should lose power.

Grand_hustle17

Like someone said earlier, ive yet to see where a j-pipe is beneficial to a setup with pcd's.. hence im not a believer.. but all setups are different