Nitro kit for Tl 75 or 100 ??
12-07-2009, 10:34 AM
#41
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^ Also be sure to ask these questions too....
1) How much can the oem pistons handle ? And, how long can it handle it ?
2) How much can the auto trans handle and for how long ?
3) What is the weak link in the 6SP and at what power-level does that happen ?
1) How much can the oem pistons handle ? And, how long can it handle it ?
2) How much can the auto trans handle and for how long ?
3) What is the weak link in the 6SP and at what power-level does that happen ?
12-07-2009, 04:49 PM
#42
Three Wheelin'
lol
12-07-2009, 07:53 PM
#43
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The auto trans has been pretty reliable with the supercharged cars making nearly 300whp. However, the nitrous car is going to make a lot more torque and at a lower rpm so it's hard to say how it will hold up.
Nitrous plus supercharger is asking for trouble as the supercharger is pretty good at blowing engines by itself due to a lack of tuning. If you decide to do it jet it very rich and run it only on 100+ unleaded.
The engine has been proven reliable at 400whp/400wtq with the turbo. But the nitrous will be harder on parts at the same hp level. Combustion temps will be higher.
Something to think about, the turbo kit makes the same power as a supercharger + 75 shot and it's reliable relatively speaking.
12-08-2009, 01:25 PM
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Okay, there have been numerous responses, but I'll add my two cents :
Without a doubt, I go with a WET system (Nitrous mixes with fuel before it hits the manifold). Also, a fuel pressure safety switch, larger fuel pump, and a window switch (so the nitrous only sprays at a certain RPM, and only comes on a Wide-open-throttle).
On my Corvette, I had a 75 shot using the ZEX wet system...flawless. Never had an issue...
Now with respect to the TL, it's a question of how strong your bottom end...the rotating assembly isn't forged, so high horsepower is going to be a problem.
Just my two cents...... be safe.... install as many safety systems as you can....oh, fuel pressure shut off as well....this way, if your foot goes to the floor and the system activates, should the fuel pressure drop, it'll stop spraying nitrous. This is good because if you introduce pure nitrous without enough fuel, you'll melt the pistons (BAD).
You have to remember that in order to increase horsepower, you're producing more heat in the combustion chamber. So while increased horsepower is equaled to more fuel and nitrous, the end result is increased heat.
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2002 Acura TL Type-S (Winter car)
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK 350 Cabrio (Everyday car in the summer)
1957 Chevy Bel Air (Cruiser)
Without a doubt, I go with a WET system (Nitrous mixes with fuel before it hits the manifold). Also, a fuel pressure safety switch, larger fuel pump, and a window switch (so the nitrous only sprays at a certain RPM, and only comes on a Wide-open-throttle).
On my Corvette, I had a 75 shot using the ZEX wet system...flawless. Never had an issue...
Now with respect to the TL, it's a question of how strong your bottom end...the rotating assembly isn't forged, so high horsepower is going to be a problem.
Just my two cents...... be safe.... install as many safety systems as you can....oh, fuel pressure shut off as well....this way, if your foot goes to the floor and the system activates, should the fuel pressure drop, it'll stop spraying nitrous. This is good because if you introduce pure nitrous without enough fuel, you'll melt the pistons (BAD).
You have to remember that in order to increase horsepower, you're producing more heat in the combustion chamber. So while increased horsepower is equaled to more fuel and nitrous, the end result is increased heat.
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2002 Acura TL Type-S (Winter car)
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK 350 Cabrio (Everyday car in the summer)
1957 Chevy Bel Air (Cruiser)
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12-08-2009, 10:04 PM
#46
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Okay, there have been numerous responses, but I'll add my two cents :
Without a doubt, I go with a WET system (Nitrous mixes with fuel before it hits the manifold). Also, a fuel pressure safety switch, larger fuel pump, and a window switch (so the nitrous only sprays at a certain RPM, and only comes on a Wide-open-throttle).
On my Corvette, I had a 75 shot using the ZEX wet system...flawless. Never had an issue...
Now with respect to the TL, it's a question of how strong your bottom end...the rotating assembly isn't forged, so high horsepower is going to be a problem.
Just my two cents...... be safe.... install as many safety systems as you can....oh, fuel pressure shut off as well....this way, if your foot goes to the floor and the system activates, should the fuel pressure drop, it'll stop spraying nitrous. This is good because if you introduce pure nitrous without enough fuel, you'll melt the pistons (BAD).
You have to remember that in order to increase horsepower, you're producing more heat in the combustion chamber. So while increased horsepower is equaled to more fuel and nitrous, the end result is increased heat.
--------
2002 Acura TL Type-S (Winter car)
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK 350 Cabrio (Everyday car in the summer)
1957 Chevy Bel Air (Cruiser)
Without a doubt, I go with a WET system (Nitrous mixes with fuel before it hits the manifold). Also, a fuel pressure safety switch, larger fuel pump, and a window switch (so the nitrous only sprays at a certain RPM, and only comes on a Wide-open-throttle).
On my Corvette, I had a 75 shot using the ZEX wet system...flawless. Never had an issue...
Now with respect to the TL, it's a question of how strong your bottom end...the rotating assembly isn't forged, so high horsepower is going to be a problem.
Just my two cents...... be safe.... install as many safety systems as you can....oh, fuel pressure shut off as well....this way, if your foot goes to the floor and the system activates, should the fuel pressure drop, it'll stop spraying nitrous. This is good because if you introduce pure nitrous without enough fuel, you'll melt the pistons (BAD).
You have to remember that in order to increase horsepower, you're producing more heat in the combustion chamber. So while increased horsepower is equaled to more fuel and nitrous, the end result is increased heat.
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2002 Acura TL Type-S (Winter car)
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK 350 Cabrio (Everyday car in the summer)
1957 Chevy Bel Air (Cruiser)
I agree with everything you said about the safety.
The thing is, that 75hp was spread out over 8 cylinders on the Vette and only 6 on the TL so it's still a little harder on the TL. I know you know this, just pointing it out for the others.
12-08-2009, 10:48 PM
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J36Twingt28r's,nextgt30r
^^ IHC also another important note i believe i read somewhere is that the rods are not the strongest either so the two weakest links are the rods and pistons.
12-08-2009, 11:29 PM
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But again, I haven't heard of one blowing with a good tune. The turbo TL has made over 440hp at the wheels (500+ at the crank) on stock stuff with a good tune and people thought that wasn't possible. I'm interested to see at what hp they will let go at with a good tune while monitoring knock retard.
01-11-2010, 08:35 AM
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I got a friend here in miami whos using a 150 shot wet nos kit, reason he wants to blow hes engine to put a honda pilot on it, he has been using the 150 shot about a month ago nothing has happens to the car so i dont know what to say about nitro by this time, lol
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01-11-2010, 11:35 AM
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Yep, as it was explained to me and going by looks, the rods were forged to reduce weight but not to gain strength. They look like tooth picks.
But again, I haven't heard of one blowing with a good tune. The turbo TL has made over 440hp at the wheels (500+ at the crank) on stock stuff with a good tune and people thought that wasn't possible. I'm interested to see at what hp they will let go at with a good tune while monitoring knock retard.
But again, I haven't heard of one blowing with a good tune. The turbo TL has made over 440hp at the wheels (500+ at the crank) on stock stuff with a good tune and people thought that wasn't possible. I'm interested to see at what hp they will let go at with a good tune while monitoring knock retard.
so im excited for my j36 stroke now since i will be using the tl's block!! IHC how much hp do u think the TL can make with stock internals? i mean i thought RJ performance said they were going to test one out to the limit/breaking point before they start shipping the kits out right?
01-11-2010, 12:09 PM
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Hey did you have a NOS yet? I her it woks beeter on mooded cars.
Did you car died?
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