So after spending a nice 4 days in Vegas this past weekend. My bros and i decided to rent a audi a4 s-line from silvercar for the trip. Anywho after pretty much driving the audi over the weekend and coming back to my 08 base tl. The obvious thing here was the power difference. I know the audi in turbo charge and cant compare it to our tls. Honda has always made low tq vehicles.

But now im in the hunt for more tq "low end if possible" for my tl. I will be doing the throttle body spacer and mdx intake mani spacer over the next coming weeks. I already have the crank pulley installed.

Im looking to add more tq but not turbo charge or supercharge the vehicle. Due to the fact that my car is auto and not looking to spend big $. "Though I really like to do either of those"

Thank in advance

 

Port and Polish plenum, runners, manifold, and maxbore the throttle body. What exhaust and jpipe do you have? Aftermarket? Stock? You might want to think about upgrading that.

 

MDX Spacer for tq

 

Don't PnP runners if you get the spacer, someone did a dyno on here with both and it went down compared to having one or the other

 

A tune will get you good all around torque gain and the MDX intake manifold will help a lot. Throttle body spacer are useless...

 

I see a few options:
Sell the Auto TL for a 6 speed TL or TL-S
Rent a compact rental car next time so when you go back to your TL you realize what a nice car it is.
Nitrous Oxide with Tune
Get Hondata and Tune!
J-pipe if you don't have it already.

The J-Series is the one Honda engine family that has torque! Minus the new twin turbo NSX lol.



Listen to Dom, a tune is worth it..

 

How much TQ do you get with a tune? Hp is only around ~10 right?

 

This is what I got when I dyno tested my street tuned TL-S

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h405/DomGSR-T/Mobile%20Uploads/stockvshondata001.jpg

 

Im still not sure which jpipe i will be going with. I have stock exhaust with no res or cat " it did feel alot smoother when i removed these 2" but, mainly for sound. I dont really have the luxury to blow big $ on those exhaust system out there.

Tune eh? How is this accomplished with j engines? Hondata also?

I could not find a TLS 6speed in 2000 miles near me when i was in the market. I love my tl dont get me wrong especially all the small things ive dont to it since i got it back in May 2014

nitrous is outa the question. This is my daily. I just want to feel response from the car when I put my foot down on the gas.


Thanks guys I do appreciate all the input

 

flashpro is through hondata and from what I can tell with bolt ons and the use of this you will see considerable difference in TQ

 

As 314_04TL said, the Flashpro is made by HONDATA and is a great system that can really help maximize the gains from your engine. It will adjust ignition, timing, fuel, and can support many upgrades including larger injectors and forced induction.

We are actually having great sale pricing on the Flashpro. Feel free to send me a PM or an email Tom@ExceleratePerformance.com.

Another great mod to get some extra horsepower and torque is our V2 J-Pipe. It deletes the third cat which isn't monitored, so you won't throw a check engine light or fail emissions. It's easy to install and is made from U.S. grade stainless steel. We have it available on our website for $475 not including shipping.

XLR8 J-Pipe - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!

 

ugh was this before hondata or after?

 

^^ def before

 

maybe I should do an PnP MDX spacer with my PnP runner and settle this theory

 

Instead of the MDX spacer, which is HUGE and causes interference with your hood, we suggest the P2R Intake Manifold spacer. This will give you better tug out of the hole.

For a J-pipe, if you are looking for mid-range power, the ATLP V2-R and XLR8 V2 have shown to be good. (Understand that "low end torque" is just not something you will get without boost or a larger engine).

But really, for racing, you need power in the part of the curve where you will be spending most of your time. That is in the upper power band, where the ATLP V2 j-pipe has shown to be the best.

It just is a matter of where you want the power band, deciding which j-pipe to get. PM or call 949-295-1668 for details.

 

Yes, I to tried to find a TLS 6MT but it was a little more than what I had a wanted to spend, so I picked up what I have now.

The whole renting a crummy car was me messing around lol. I know the feeling you are talking about when you hop in your TL after driving or riding in a car that is actually fast. Have to compare the TL to other FWD cars and then the TL shines and is leaps and bounds better than the rest.

Tough to say how an auto would be but a J-pipe and Flashpro with a Tune are solid mods to improve the over all power delivery.

 

IMO, you'll spend at least 2K trying to get 10% more torque from the engine that you'll barely be able to feel.

Instead pick up a used AMG with a turbo or get something even crazier! You can pick up a 2006 BMW 760 with 100K miles for around 10K at auction for a good car. It has a V12, reclining rear seats, etc.

 

There was a very noticeable bump in midrange torque when I installed the XLR8 v2 J-pipe, enough my son, who really isn't a car guy, noticed immediately. And I have a J30, not a J32 like the TL. Honda engines are geared more for higher rpm so you won't get huge torque gains but a long tube J-pipe will be noticeable.

 

If you're considering Hondata Flashpro I have one for sale

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-par...ashpro-925178/

 

Just to clarify here, the RV6 is a long tube design, the XLR8 is sort of a middle-length tube design. We've seen that the longer the primary tubes the farther the power band shifts lower. This is why we designed the ATLP V2-R with mid-length tubes and the ATLP V2 with short tubes, for best midrange and top end increases respectively. They compliment what the engine is already good at.

 

My 06 is daily and I run Nitrous, just take the plunge! I am waiting to re dyno mine but before my J pipe, PNP parts, PCD's i was putting down 300+ Wheel Torque.

Nitrous all the way every day! oh and I am an auto too. lol,

 

You're never going to make the TL a torque monster with basic bolt ons. If you want a punchy, light to light car, the TL has the cards stacked against it for several reasons: relatively low torque at relatively high rpm, FWD, non performance oriented 5 spd automatic. Even full bolt ons are not going to give you that shove in the back feeling, let alone a spacer.

I thought you said you rented an S4 until I read it again. The turbo A4 is slower than a Civic SI from 60 mph and up. BMW finally stopped underpowering the 3 Series; Audi needs to follow suit. Very nice car, but underpowered.

 

You've got maybe 20 lb-ft torque more in the Audi, but it's still slower a TL

 

Even with a J pipe the torque isn't that much better, just the nature of this car. It does pull well at higher speeds. I still miss daily driving V8s.

 

Don't forget it's not all about the numbers from the engine. Our FD gear ratio isn't the best thing around. If the Audi is geared better, it will feel more torquey than just 20lbs extra.

 

They are all still longer than the OEM J-pipe, that's for sure. With the XLR8 v2, I noticed it mostly in the midrange but top end was better too. I have an automatic so midrange power is where it is really helpful.