Increasing Supercharger Whine

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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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Question Increasing Supercharger Whine

Does anyone know of any tricks to making a Supercharged TL whine at idle? I know you guys have created the AEM mod which helps at wide open throttle. I love hearing the whistle of a SC. Its very intimidating.

How about increasing the rotor spin? Wastegate change? How about raising the boost? Better yet... what produces the whining sound (trapped air by belts?)
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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can't get it to whine at idle. you can get it to whistle at partial throttle though.. open your windows and find the spot. nice sound
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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The Eaton blowers have a built-in bypass valve. The whine as you call it is due to the compression of the air charge after the blowers hybrid-roots rotors. If you want it to whine at idle, you have to disable the by-pass valve. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS.

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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Atrain
The Eaton blowers have a built-in bypass valve. The whine as you call it is due to the compression of the air charge after the blowers hybrid-roots rotors. If you want it to whine at idle, you have to disable the by-pass valve. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS.

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Thanks A-Train. What is the purpose of the by-pass valve and why cant it be disabled? Will it lower the life of the SC?
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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I think I answered my own question with some research on the net:

This small valve, between the the throttle body and the intake manifold, increases fuel economy and reduces parasitic power loss. The bypass is operated by a vacuum actuator and is normally closed. When manifold pressure is low (high vacuum typical of light throttle operation) the actuator opens the valve, allowing charge air to flow from the throttle body directly into the intake manifold, bypassing the blower and equalizing pressure in the system. The bypass valve open at low manifold pressure eliminates parasitic loss in a practical sense. Magnuson superchargers running with an open bypass consume only about one horsepower. When the supercharger begins to make boost, the bypass valve snaps closed, allowing pressure to build in the intake ports.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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i notice all ur posting on the s/c threads invincible.....looks like someone is being ultraa ..lol...soo ur gonna take the next step?..stopp stalling and just by the damn charger
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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AEM intake mod will make the whine louder
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Post Nope...

Acuradriver2006,

He asked...

Does anyone know of any tricks to making a Supercharged TL whine at idle?
You said...

AEM intake mod will make the whine louder
No CAI will not effect the Eaton "whine" at idle. Eaton's are by-passed at idle at PT conditions. The whine as everyone calls it, comes from the air charge being compressed. There is very little compression of the air charge when the air is by-passed.

Eaton's do not compress air very efficiently in their housing, but rather paddle the air from inlet side to outlet. The compression of the air occurs between the hybrid-roots rotors and the intake or cylinder runners.

Twin screw blowers and Centrifugals do not act like this. They compress air in their housing. Twin screws are LESS efficient then Eaton blowers at low boost levels and low blower snout speeds. However, a twin screw reaches adiabatic efficiency (65%) around 15-psi. The Eaton M90 reaches adiabatic efficiency (65%) at 4-5 psi. At 9-10 psi it's around 50%. At 12-15 psi you're down around 40%. That means 60% is all unwanted heat.

No Cold air induction tube, pipe, what have you will increase the Eaton's "whine" when it's bypassed at idle and part throttle. Sorry it just doesn't work like that.

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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 08:13 PM
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i notice all ur posting on the s/c threads invincible.....looks like someone is being ultraa ..lol...soo ur gonna take the next step?..stopp stalling and just by the damn charger
LOL! I was thinking about that and the BBK all at once. I should know by this week what I am going to do. Did you get yours?
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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LOL! I was thinking about that and the BBK all at once. I should know by this week what I am going to do. Did you get yours?
nahh i didnt get mine yet, been fighting not to because im debating on whether i should get rid of the car or not. Still on the fench but if i decide to keep the car u better believe im making that call to excelerate for the S/C
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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with the sc you truly will be invinceable
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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nahh i didnt get mine yet, been fighting not to because im debating on whether i should get rid of the car or not. Still on the fench but if i decide to keep the car u better believe im making that call to excelerate for the S/C
get rid of the car ??!!! for what?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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get rid of the car ??!!! for what?

lol..im thinking about getting an M3..buttt only if i can find the color combo that i want but it doesnt seem to be happening. still a maybe...but if i dont get it u better believe im charging
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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do as much work to the intake part of your motor as possible. after i put in the big bore TB and PnP intake manifold, my car had a crazy vacuum sound, and i didnt have a blower.

i'd like to see someone do a Big Bore TB and PnP w/ extrude hone intake manifold, but thats pricey.
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
do as much work to the intake part of your motor as possible. after i put in the big bore TB and PnP intake manifold, my car had a crazy vacuum sound, and i didnt have a blower.

i'd like to see someone do a Big Bore TB and PnP w/ extrude hone intake manifold, but thats pricey.

thats an idea. it should help the revolutions of the SC (breathe better). How much does something like that cost?
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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TB is around 150. PnP intake manifold you can sorta do yourself, but if you send to extrude hone it'll be like 650-750 for a gasket match and flow machining.
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Old Jul 23, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Here's the sound I am looking for on idle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0sHE...h=supercharger
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