MAS

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I was at the local shop getting my ATLP Base exhaust tips adjusted and one of the mechanics said when i was ready he could help me setup NOS for my 3G TL. I'm 5k miles away from my extended warranty ending and i have thought about this before. Would be cool to get a boost every now and then without investing the couple grand necessary for the supercharger or turbo kits.

Anyway i just did a search in the 3G TL section and found pretty much nothing on a nitro setup previously done on these cars. I cannot believe this has not been done before. I think it would be way cool to set it up really automated where a limit switch on the pedal kicks on the NOS only when you REALLY floor it....otherwise for normal driving the NOS is dorment.

Thoughts??

RonJonTL757

nos has been done by a retired member thewanderer316 or one if his boys did it. Thnink it was a ZEX 50 shot.

Do it if you want but ur piston rings will hate you and then blue smoke will appear down the line

MAS

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I would think there's gotta be a small amount of NOS that can be used......maybe just enough to give "CT supercharger sized boost spurts" instead of "V10 boost spurts"

RonJonTL757

Enjoy It was racinghart03

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/must-read-all-s-c-nitrous-j32-j35-users-711552/

Yonkers914

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U can run a 50 shot on a TL with out any problems just make sure u take all the safety precautions. no need to worry about pistion rings etc.. 50 shoot is noting if done right

I hate cars

My pet peve...... NOS is Nitrous Oxide Systems, a brand of nitrous.

You can run nitrous somewhat safely but you have to understand it and you have to use a good kit with all of the safety items.

Obviously a wide open throttle sensor, a window switch, a DBW compatable kit, safetly features such as nitrous solenoids won't trigger unless the fuel triggers first.

Keep it around 50hp. Nitrous will add instant hp and torque. If it's rated for 50hp it will add at least 50lbs of torque so keep that in mind. In other words it can produce higher cylinder pressures at the same hp level than the supercharger. If it's triggered too low in the rpm range, say 2,000rpm you could see a quick 200lb torque spike and a blown engine.

Use it for short bursts, not top end stuff. Run a knock sensor and AF guage. These are a minimum requrement to see what's going on. If you don't want to spend the money on these two things, you should not be running nitrous.

Jet it on the rich side at first and if needed lean it out in small increments.

You can add more hp but I would not do it without 100 octane unleaded in the tank for safety.

With the turbo TLs making 400whp on stock internals, there's no reason you can't safely make 350whp on nitrous as long as it's tuned well with no knock. But for a street car that you just want a little extra boost once in a while I would stick with 35-50hp.

It can be reliable but don't be cheap, don't take shortcuts, and don't get greedy with hp. And absolutely don't run a dry shot.

SpiderX1016

x2.

Nitrous is safe to use and won't blow up engines if used properly.

UplandTLsleeping

Yup I do.

MAS

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Great info guys. I starting to like the idea more and more. It seems like NOS would be a good fit for what i like to do which is short bursts.

How much would you expect to spend for a reliable, "automated" system like mentioned above??

TheWanderer316

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I'm selling my nitrous kit for cheap. - https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/zex-wet-nitrous-kit-55-shot-%24500-745948/

MAS

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Well tell us about it. What's good,bad,initial cost,continous cost,etc......most important is reliability. Any feedback is appreciated.


Not ready to buy anything yet....still in exploratory phase (+ couple months of warranty left). Maybe if u still have it in a couple months well see.

AMUA6

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I always heard about a 25 shot would be the most the TL can handle.. idk Subscribed though.

RonJonTL757

IHC...in 3...2...1... YOUR ON lol

I hate cars

LOL. I was trying to not reply...

It's all in the tune. At the same hp level nitrous is a little harsher than a supercharger or turbocharger. Power comes on instantly which can be a little harder on parts. It's easier to screw up nitrous and blow stuff up. When things go wrong, they happen quicker where with the FI, you usually have time to back out of the gas. Not to mention you now have an intake manifold full of an oxygenator and fuel so what would normally be a small backfire will now blow the intake manifold clean off of the engine and probably leave a very large dent in the hood.

But..... 400hp is 400hp no matter where it comes from. It's all about cylinder pressure. Keep the tune conservative to keep it out of detonation and there's no reason you can't make as much hp reliably with nitrous as you can the supercharger. However, if it pings or detonates, cylinder pressures can easily triple and this is when things blow up. Run it lean and if the rest of the engine survives, at the minimum you have likely blown the intake off the car.

It's no secret that turbos are the safest way to make power and engines will last longer at the same power level. Many of the very fast 6 second guys have finally figured this out. Nitrous is a bit harsh, that's why I don't suggest trying to go out and match the turbo TL's numbers.

Keep in mind, exhaust flow is where it's at when running nitrous. No cats, and at least a single 3" exhaust all the way back if you're running a decent sized shot.

UplandTLsleeping

I love my nitrous. However, I should have listened all the acurazine, mechanics, saleman, old timers and more than anyone one mechanic Jake (whos on the the cover of "honda engine swaps last month.) They choose NOS as my brand.

Cost: 1000.00 installed w/ 10lb bottle

I can't say that it has solely caused probleems to the car . I've never had an issue with the install or electric. Oh I also installed the bottle opener and purge valve. What I can say is that it causes problems over time. IE: all the gas being shot into the intake, which travels around other wires and parts that have insullation or tubing, eventually harden and crack. Thus breaking off over time. To use NOS was a daily thing that came with a ck list before and after used. That much torque (compunded with my other mods) loosens nuts and bolts, etc. You have to check everything all the time.

I have since converted to a wet 125 shot. And man what a rush. If I were to give you 1 piece of solid advice it is to educate yourself with knowledge of building/fixing/replacing/troubleshooting/wiring and more the system. By doing so, you be helping the other drivers on road in case of emergencies.

For the record, I had a apexi a/f controlled NEO that tuned it when necessary and ofcourse my secret weapons for the new system: Jake the mechanic, Bisimoto the tuner and AEM my engine manager.

wdp on some spray

Ive been spraying my car for over a year now i run a 100 shop... tuned with emanage blue and have never had any problems my car runs perfect just like the day i bought it . if ur not going to tune it on the spray you SHOULD NOT run anything above 50 shot..

MAS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RonJonTL757

IHC...in 3...2...1... YOUR ON lol

Toooo funny!

Quote:

Originally Posted by UplandTLsleeping

I love my nitrous. However, I should have listened all the acurazine, mechanics, saleman, old timers and more than anyone one mechanic Jake (whos on the the cover of "honda engine swaps last month.) They choose NOS as my brand.

Cost: 1000.00 installed w/ 10lb bottle

I can't say that it has solely caused probleems to the car . I've never had an issue with the install or electric. Oh I also installed the bottle opener and purge valve. What I can say is that it causes problems over time. IE: all the gas being shot into the intake, which travels around other wires and parts that have insullation or tubing, eventually harden and crack. Thus breaking off over time. To use NOS was a daily thing that came with a ck list before and after used. That much torque (compunded with my other mods) loosens nuts and bolts, etc. You have to check everything all the time.

I have since converted to a wet 125 shot. And man what a rush. If I were to give you 1 piece of solid advice it is to educate yourself with knowledge of building/fixing/replacing/troubleshooting/wiring and more the system. By doing so, you be helping the other drivers on road in case of emergencies.

For the record, I had a apexi a/f controlled NEO that tuned it when necessary and ofcourse my secret weapons for the new system: Jake the mechanic, Bisimoto the tuner and AEM my engine manager.

How many miles on your TL?

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Originally Posted by wdp on some spray

if ur not going to tune it on the spray you SHOULD NOT run anything above 50 shot..

What does that mean?

I hate cars

You need to find a website that explains tuning and how nitrous works and why it works and take a few days to read. Understanding it is how you keep things from blowing up. Asking what tuning is on an Acura website is not going to get you far.

MAS

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So a 50shot can be installed w/o tuning huh?

I hate cars

No.

MAS

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^^Didn't think so.

Anyone got an acceleration video of their nitro TL?

Souljah

First post eh? And your SN.

So true, sad but true.

RonJonTL757

wow just say this and DAMN thats fast but for an AT looks like its gonna blow something soon lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3QiojzB-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCiNi...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZgIR...eature=related

MAS

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^^^^^DAMN and WOW that is sooooooo fast. I dont know if i could even handle that much power. That can't be a 50shot right??

turbocivic94

Nitrous is not dangrous. Its dumb drivers that blow up engines. I been using nitrous for over ten years on many different cars, never blew up a motor. You have to know how to use it.

If you use 50 shot wet nitrous setup, you do not need tuning. I would add 255LPH pump in the tank though.

I hate cars

You need tuning with any shot of nitrous. This thread is so full of fail it's not worth explaining.

MAS

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So it seems UplandTL and The Wanderer are the only ones to post on this thread who have put nitrous on a 3g TL...and it sounds like both of them used a pretty big shot with tuning. Has anyone reliably run a smaller shot on on this car specifically without tuning??

Those videos show some crazy acceleration. How much of a shot do u think they're running in those videos??

TheWanderer316

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I ran a 55 shot with no tuning.

MAS

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^^^Thanks for talking from direct experience. Any vids??

I hate cars

All time dumbest thread...

MAS

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Originally Posted by I hate cars

All time dumbest thread...

^^^Same shit from you every time. If becoming "knowledgeable" about cars is gonna get me ur POS attitude i'll stay a newbie for life. Every thread i see you in you've got a major chip on ur shoulder. U need to increase ur anti-depressant dosage bro.

BTW, ur post are not needed on this thread anyways. Wanderer actually did it on the car in question vs. your comments based on experience with NOS with other cars.

So how much faster can IHC go with a 55shot of Xanax???
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OK, enough about you.....on to anyone else who has something constructive to say.

tenzingsherpa

^^ DAMN BRO... i understand where ur coming from but a bit harsh bud. IHC has contributed alot, and i mean alot to the 3rd gen tl community. just wanna say show some respect and u will get it back, ihc just doesn't want u to blow ur engine

MAS

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^^ok, point taken.

I hate cars

This stuff gets so old to me. You come on here and ask for advice but you only listen to the guys that give you the easy way out. I don't know how to say this nicely but you have a ton of learning to do. You don't know enough about how engines work to understand nitrous or the tuning of it. I assume you don't know what's involved in the tuning of nitrous.

My advice is the most constructive but you ignore it because doing what I say would cost more money and take more time. I told you what you HAVE to do to run nitrous safely you choose to ignore it. So go and run your 300 dry shot, spend $250 on the cheapest kit you can buy, spend 10 minutes installing it and not tuning it and be happy.

You have a couple guys on here that got lucky and got away with no tuning so you want to take your chances too and follow them. It doesn't matter if it's been run run on the TL specifically, it's all the same thing and I've run it before but you don't know enough to know that. Everything that needs to be said has been said so pick out whoever's advice is "easier" and go with it.

Sonnick

Realize this...

IHC's has done a lot for this forum and community. He also has much more experience than most with very fast cars. I'd listen to him if I were you.

With that said, could you run a 50 shot without tuning? Of course. Is it safe? Probably not. May it work fine without a tune? Yes. Does that mean it's gonna work for everybody without a tune? No.

If you're gonna do nitrous, do it right. Nitrous is stressful on the motor and over time, will shorten it's life. If used correctly, the shortening of its life will be minimal.

Think of this, would you run a turbo setup without a tune? No. It's stupid and inefficient. With AFRs all over the place, you won't make any power. Nitrous is FI just like a TC or SC. It's different, but has the same idea behind it. Do yourself a favor and tune it if you decide to go that route.

JMillerUA6

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IHC.......as far as tuning goes, what would you suggest for a modest nitrous setup? I know a guy above said he was using an Apexi Neo to control AFR's, would something like that be sufficient?

Sonnick

Go big or go home .

AEM FIC or Greddy eManage would probably be your best bet. The NEO detunes after awhile and is really not a great option for us.

If I were you I'd ask MAS. He seems to know more than IHC........................

JMillerUA6

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Both the AEM FIC and Emanage (Blue) seem reasonably priced. I wouldn't need emanage ultimate for a modest No2 Setup would I?

BTW Sonnik.......waiting for the rematch between you and Mike, lol. I saw his car for the fist time a couple weeks ago with the S/C and new engine setup. That thing is a beast.

turbocivic94

Have you ever used Nitrous. What is the point of running fuel with nitrous jetting?
You can run small shot without tuning. If you are going to run a big shot then you will need to take timing out by tuning, fuel is provided by proper jetting. I own a 800WHP turbocharged civic and I have owned nitrous civic that ran 12.4 on stock lsvtec.

I am not trying to pick a fight, just telling the facts.

MAS

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ok, lets call it a truce.

You know we all need each other. Without us newbies, who would you veterans talk down to. And without you veterans, who would us newbies look to for the answers.


So, can anyone tell us how big a nitrous shot was that TL in the video was running?.....the boost is brutal......looks like a big struggle just to keep the wheels on the road.