Gauging interest on 1 piece short shifters
#41
Yea I agree that the cable mounting point will have to change for a better geometry. Sorry I misunderstood you at first.
I looked at the plastic housing today and I think something can be done with relocating the cable mount. It needs a custom piece in order for the cable to be relocated. Along with raising the housing and cutting the bottom of the old cable routing so the new cable route will be slightly under it. This will require rise mounts, and a new tricky cable mount. It will be a lot of custom work and this is without the shifter. At this point might as well make a new box .
BTW: Are you running megasquirt in your TL? If so I would like to stop by and see the ecu setup in person.
I looked at the plastic housing today and I think something can be done with relocating the cable mount. It needs a custom piece in order for the cable to be relocated. Along with raising the housing and cutting the bottom of the old cable routing so the new cable route will be slightly under it. This will require rise mounts, and a new tricky cable mount. It will be a lot of custom work and this is without the shifter. At this point might as well make a new box .
BTW: Are you running megasquirt in your TL? If so I would like to stop by and see the ecu setup in person.
Last edited by awoc; 10-25-2011 at 07:46 PM.
#42
Yes, I do. I've got it under the front passenger footwell up as high as I could go. I cut out the foam padding and screwed it down to the pan. I am considering doing as bmeyer and locating it under the drivers seat with some db25 extensions. It's completely plug and play. No cutting and a couple of wires connected since I have an external O2 sensor and boost to control.
I'm a couple hours away at a minimum depending on how far south you are. I'm the BTV area.
I'm a couple hours away at a minimum depending on how far south you are. I'm the BTV area.
#43
I recently examined a TL shifter and noticed that it was offset towards the driver as opposed to my stock Accord shifter and the TSX shifter shown in the original post (w/ a straight lever). Is this something that can be easily included in this design?
Also, I am curious to know if it would be possible to have the shifter ball attached to a threaded rod, which could be threaded inside the shift lever. Maybe the adjustment could allow anywhere from a 10-40% reduction in throw. I anticipate a simple locknut and blue loctite would be sufficient for this application. Any thoughts?
I have my center console torn apart right now, as I want to figure how to get the shift knob closer to the steering wheel w/o increasing the shift throw. I'm wondering if I could use spacer bushings underneath the shifter body to raise it up, however I don't think there is more than maybe 1" of clearance below the shifter cover/boot holder. Also, the inflexibility of the shifter cables may require the body to be sloped up (front to back)...this could potentially alleviate some of the binding in the shifter rod.
BTW, how do you remove the shift lever from the body? Do you remove the black lock washer and remove the spring mechanism on the side?
Also, I am curious to know if it would be possible to have the shifter ball attached to a threaded rod, which could be threaded inside the shift lever. Maybe the adjustment could allow anywhere from a 10-40% reduction in throw. I anticipate a simple locknut and blue loctite would be sufficient for this application. Any thoughts?
I have my center console torn apart right now, as I want to figure how to get the shift knob closer to the steering wheel w/o increasing the shift throw. I'm wondering if I could use spacer bushings underneath the shifter body to raise it up, however I don't think there is more than maybe 1" of clearance below the shifter cover/boot holder. Also, the inflexibility of the shifter cables may require the body to be sloped up (front to back)...this could potentially alleviate some of the binding in the shifter rod.
BTW, how do you remove the shift lever from the body? Do you remove the black lock washer and remove the spring mechanism on the side?
Last edited by gwiffer; 11-20-2011 at 05:52 AM.
#44
Bending the rod will be a nightmare. It is too thick and will require a lot of heat to persuade. The curves are kinda pointless. The bend on my TSX was away from the driver. It is away from the driver on the 03+ Accords as well. Straight levers have better ergonomics and feel. Look at the Ferraris and Lambos.
Ball and threaded rod. Hmmm... it has crossed my mind, but not willing to risk that chance of someone not tightening the two up and end up doing something silly. Threading would increase the cost by another $50 or so. It is a long piece to thread, and it will oscillate on the lathe as it is getting threads as well. People are complaining about $150. Adding another $50 will cause them to cry , so I dont think that will slide so well. Plus once the height is set what is the point of having it adjustable? No I would never use locktite either. I did use bump stocks to figure out the lengths for my TSX versions, but welding will secure a lifetime of safety and fun!
The middle consul is limiting in space. you have about an inch before you hit the top. Sloping up the box is a waste. The shifter cable has a mean cylindrical bushing that it uses to be clipped on. This section cannot be bent as it is thick steel. This cylinder causes the cable to have a straight section coming out of the clip. No matter how you slope the box, the cable still has to go through this straight section, then down towards the car.
This is how you remove the shifter. Post #118 http://www..com/forums/1st-gen-engin...shifter-8.html
Ball and threaded rod. Hmmm... it has crossed my mind, but not willing to risk that chance of someone not tightening the two up and end up doing something silly. Threading would increase the cost by another $50 or so. It is a long piece to thread, and it will oscillate on the lathe as it is getting threads as well. People are complaining about $150. Adding another $50 will cause them to cry , so I dont think that will slide so well. Plus once the height is set what is the point of having it adjustable? No I would never use locktite either. I did use bump stocks to figure out the lengths for my TSX versions, but welding will secure a lifetime of safety and fun!
The middle consul is limiting in space. you have about an inch before you hit the top. Sloping up the box is a waste. The shifter cable has a mean cylindrical bushing that it uses to be clipped on. This section cannot be bent as it is thick steel. This cylinder causes the cable to have a straight section coming out of the clip. No matter how you slope the box, the cable still has to go through this straight section, then down towards the car.
This is how you remove the shifter. Post #118 http://www..com/forums/1st-gen-engin...shifter-8.html
Last edited by awoc; 11-21-2011 at 06:34 PM.
#51
The status on the 3G TL would be 99% there. I have all the measurements and parts are the same as TSX. I need a local test car to mess with the heights of knob and shift throw. Sure I can just weld something together and offer them for the TL, but thats not my style. I need to research the TL hand/elbow placement first, and see what I need to enhance and modify to make it just for the TL.
The TSX ones have been out for a week or two now.
The TSX ones have been out for a week or two now.
Last edited by awoc; 11-25-2011 at 10:35 AM.
#52
Does the TSX stock shifter have a bend in it like the TL?
I'd be willing to try it out but I don't know how the logistics would work being somewhat of a drive for me. I don't drive my TL in the winter either so that makes it even harder now that we've had our first snow of the season.
I'd be willing to try it out but I don't know how the logistics would work being somewhat of a drive for me. I don't drive my TL in the winter either so that makes it even harder now that we've had our first snow of the season.
#53
The oem TSX has a bend, yes. Yeah I know what you mean. I can come up, but I need my welder and cutting tools etc, so that wouldn't work. It seems like we are the only 2 around this side of the US modifying Acuras, LOL. I cant wait til I dont have to drive my TSX in the NE winters anymore.
#54
update for 3g TL guys... i have one of these installed in my TL thanks to AWOC. everything fits perfectly even though its made for a TSX/Accord.
i was so frustrated with the bitch clip that i just wanted to put it all back together after i got it install that i didnt take any pictures. i did drill a hole on the shoulder bolt but silly me, i didnt put the clip in. so i will be taking it apart again and i will take pictures then.
my thoughts... although the shifter is straight with no bend, i rarely notice it. its a little shorter (height wise) than stock, about an inch. the shifts are short and precise, unlike the comptech one i experienced in my buddys TL. feels like it just pops into place just like before but shorter now. 5th and 6th gear is a little hard to get into but i think i may be pushing it too far with the MtecIndusties spherical bearing installed. when i go into reverse, it feels close to the ebrake. but not a huge problem. i like to shift with my fingers and i can still do it with this installed. i can still shift with my elbow resting on the arm rest. i get starbucks 3-4 times a week and i use the cup holder with no problem. haha thought i throw that in there since a lot of people are concern about cups in their cup holder.
anyone have any questions, let me know...
i was so frustrated with the bitch clip that i just wanted to put it all back together after i got it install that i didnt take any pictures. i did drill a hole on the shoulder bolt but silly me, i didnt put the clip in. so i will be taking it apart again and i will take pictures then.
my thoughts... although the shifter is straight with no bend, i rarely notice it. its a little shorter (height wise) than stock, about an inch. the shifts are short and precise, unlike the comptech one i experienced in my buddys TL. feels like it just pops into place just like before but shorter now. 5th and 6th gear is a little hard to get into but i think i may be pushing it too far with the MtecIndusties spherical bearing installed. when i go into reverse, it feels close to the ebrake. but not a huge problem. i like to shift with my fingers and i can still do it with this installed. i can still shift with my elbow resting on the arm rest. i get starbucks 3-4 times a week and i use the cup holder with no problem. haha thought i throw that in there since a lot of people are concern about cups in their cup holder.
anyone have any questions, let me know...
Last edited by luder917; 01-27-2012 at 11:14 PM.
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