Joseph Stansbury

Hi All,

Looking for a little advice on my next mod. I have done the mid muffler delete, and replaced it with Dynomax 24215, also replaced the stock mufflers with Magnaflow 11365 and have gotten a pretty good sound. Happy with the results. I was considering changing out the stock jpipe for added sound and deleting the third cat for some added power.

Wanted to see if others are running, open to suggestion on brands and opinions. Also some input on how loud the removal of the third cat would make the car is welcome. Any unbearable rasp or drone? Will the removal of the third cat make me fail emissions inspections.

I have a 06 TL AT with ASPEC Kit, dropped 1.75 on Tein Basic coilovers so ground clearance is a consideration also.

Thanks in advance!

ExcelerateRep

Going with a aftermarket J-Pipe is one of the best mods you can do on this vehicle. We dynoed our V2 J-Pipe on a 07 TL-S and it freed up about 20 hp and 30tq. It won't create any rasp or drone, only a nice growl to the exhaust tone. Since there isn't a sensor monitoring the third cat, you won't throw a code or CEL. You will also most likely pass emissions as you still have your precats in place and you won't have a CEL.

Our V2 is also made from US grade stainless steel and manufactured here in the US. It's designed to have great fitment and better clearance than our V1 J-Pipe. You can place the order right on our website!
XLR8 J-Pipe - Excelerate - HOA - Japanese Performance Specialist

guitarplayer16

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I'm running 11365 with no mid-muffer and no resonator (stage 4) with the RV6 V3 jpipe.

I got crazy drone going up long steep hills and during highway before the jpipe, and I still do.

The jpipe made the drone "smoother" or a tiny bit quieter, though.

You shouldn't have this problem since you have a resonator.

yungone501

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I ran a straight (no mufflers or resonators) 3" exhaust from the stock j-pipe back with factory cats and had zero rasp. Installed RV6 long tube j-pipe and increased drone. Then installed RV6 PCD's and got massive rasp. Installed a Vibrant 15" bottle resonator with the RV6 j-pipe and PCD's and still have the same rasp but toned down the volume. In my experience with the j-series engines, unless you're approaching 300hp numbers, skip the PCD's if you don't want the rasp. The gains aren't that much on stock motors anyways IMO. Many say differently.

I will say however that I removed nearly 1.5 seconds AFTER TUNING from my 3rd gear pulls (I'm a street tuner so no dyno numbers) and that probably equates to a 20-25hp gain if you do some math. Anyone who can remove 1.5 seconds from a 8 second run from an exhaust alone is doing some good!

MonkeyTrucker

I'd suggest the RV6 as well. The ATLP V2-R required drilling a larger diameter hole in the rear flange to mount as well as a hanger issue, had to remove the stock hanger on base TL. Although it came with a "mounting bracket," there's no explanation of its use. Right now, it's hanger less.

As soon as RV6 has a special, I'll likely swap out the ATLP for one of theirs. Mainly because Richie seems to have a generally better and helpful attitude.

I bought a set of used HFPCs and Richie promptly answered some questions I had about the application, was impressed with that and his helpful attitude within the forums.

Inflection of tone can be difficult to convey in writing conversation with others, Richie has mastered it in my opinion. He's never come off as an arrogant individual in reading his posts. Nice guy!

pplcrew

There is a drone noise with the RV6 long tube j-pipe..??

EvilVirus

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MrHeeltoe

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Hi there, if you had any trouble at all with the ATLP product we'd definitely like to know. Had you contacted us for support on the part at all? We definitely need to know if you had a problem so we can resolve it for you!

Actually, did you actually get the part from us? I thought the order fell though because of our disagreement.

We definitely cannot fault RV6 either. Heeltoeauto.com offers all existing J-pipe options for the 3g TL, and like the suppliers that support our legendary customer service.

Joseph Stansbury, as you will see, combining the ATLP V2 with an option Race pipe is a great way to get the most power out of the J32/J35. unfortunately we were unable to test an Endless part...

ATLP, XLR8, and RV6 J-pipes tested together. ATLP V2-R debut!

MonkeyTrucker

Maybe go back and read my entire post. The only disagreement was not honoring the $70 price difference when they hadn't even been produced yet, accusing me of messing with your webpage, but my wife had no problem ordering the j-pipe in question for the $370 price that you claimed was a "price mistake." Ridiculous. Below is the order of the "price mistake" and you lied stating I asked for it to be canceled, yet in your response in the other thread you state "You elected to complete the purchase for the item at the lower price against my instruction. I fixed it while on the phone with you, although you'd already place the order and were hovering over the "pay now" button on paypal. I told you if you did complete the payment, I would refund it immediately. You did, and I did."



The second order at lower price ($379):
Notes for you:
06/09/15 12:31 PM PST This order has been canceled and refunded by Heeltoe due to the product pricing have been listed erroneously. We have discussed this situation on the phone with the customer prior to completing their payment, and they elected to complete the payment, even though we told them the order would be immediately canceled and refunded if they did. We regret that the price was temporarily listed incorrectly, but the price error has been corrected and we expect no further issues with it.

06/09/15 12:31 PM PST This order has been canceled per customer request. Please let us know if you need any further assistance, and don't forget to join us on Facebook and Instagram!

06/12/15 03:17 PM PST Customer has requested an update on this order.

06/15/15 02:19 PM PST Hi Xxxx, we see you have requested an update on this order. This order, # XXXXX, was cancelled on 6/9 per your request.


The original order at higher price ($449):
Notes for you:
05/04/15 02:18 PM PST Hi Xxxx, thanks for the order! This item is on backorder and is currently in production. Production is expected to be complete in about 3-4 weeks. Tracking info to be updated as it becomes available!

05/06/15 09:02 PM PST Customer has requested an update on this order.

05/07/15 02:44 PM PST Hi Xxxx, did you see our initial update that we provided on 5/4?

06/08/15 08:48 AM PST Customer has requested an update on this order.


NEVER was their a mention of the item being on back-order while purchasing at the item page and I had to initiate a status update two days after ordering to find out such. I placed the order on May 2, 2015 and filed a charge-back for non-delivery of goods and breach of contract charge-back on 6/17/15.

You contacted me directly and outside of PayPal's claim process so that your message wouldn't be tied to the claim, seen below:

"Xxxx, we are wondering what the reason for this chargeback is. We know you ordered the J-pipe and it is on backorder. If you wanted to cancel and get a refund we are more than happy to do that for you.

We had a call with you last week and you seemed ok to continue waiting for the part, and even still we offered to refund this transaction for you if you wished.

A chargeback is completely unnecessary."

It didn't matter, because the charge-back was with my credit card directly, but it was pretty questionable to contact me outside of PayPal. Not to mention texting me as well.

So, let's summarize, on 5/2/15 I placed the order which appeared in stock, had to ask for an update to learn these are back-ordered, am told a 3-4 week estimate of shipping, requested another update on 6/8/15 and no response, waited 9 days before having enough stringing me along. I waited nearly 7 weeks for a 3-4 week estimate. You refused to adjust my order, which was not even produced yet, to the $70 lower price.

Yet, wife orders same j-pipe with supposed "pricing error" 9 days after bringing it to your attention:

SKU Product Item price Quantity Total
ATLP.ES0004V2R. ATLP V2-R J-Pipe, 2004-08 TL & TL-S UA6 UA7, ES0004V2R $379.00 1 $379.00
Subtotal: $379.00
Insurance: $0.00
Coupon saving (acurazinerocks): $13.27
Discounted subtotal: $365.73
Shipping cost: $48.93
Total: $414.66


Update History:
06/17/15 12:33 PM PST
Hi Xxxx, thanks for your order! These J Pipes are currently on backorder. ETA is approximately 2 weeks, and we plan to ship your order as soon as possible once they are complete! Tracking info will be updated as it becomes available!
07/22/15 11:09 AM PST
Hi Xxxx, thanks very much for your patience here, your order is expected to ship within 2-4 business days.

She was told 2 week back-order in middle of June, and receives it at end of July....6 weeks when estimated at 2 weeks...RIDICULOUS. So she orders the same j-pipe at the $379 price trouble free, aside from fabricated estimates. Again, ridiculous, and questionable business practices. Your shipping estimates are WAY off.

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While you're at it, why not chime in on the hanger issue, you know the bracket that was included with absolutely no reference or instructions to install.

A LOT of folks aren't real comfortable stressing the flex portion of the j-pipe as it currently installs, and would like a true factory replacement fit as stated per your website.

MrHeeltoe

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But, we are addressing the hanger issue...with the poster of that thread. Directly. We are zero'd in on the next step in the solution and expect to have it firmly in place and all people who purchased a pipe from us with that solution in hand the moment it is qualified.

Not everything needs to be a big, public stink-fest, you know. At some point people are going to get tired of your thread-jacking attempts to soil our reputation and I can promise you...it is not going to work.

Our business handles things as professionally as possible. Yet, we won't be bullied into doing something that we are financially unable to do, and aren't really obligated to, either. If you'd rather not do business with us because of your experience, we support that decision.

Marcus
949-295-1668, if you, or anyone else wants to learn more about our ATLP products, pricing, policies, political leanings, or even teach us a thing or two. As long as you can do it with civility and mutual respect for your fellow forum-members.

MonkeyTrucker

This is totally relevant to this thread and the other in light of YOUR demeanor...and estimates. You basically stated I lied, so I included the above as to what REALLY occurred.

If ANYONE critiques you or calls you out in the forums, your tendency is to pull the slander card...RIDICULOUS. NO OTHER VENDOR DOES THIS.

I'm not letting you fool others into your version of what occurred. The above are the FACTS...not slander...not sullying.

It's VERY relevant to this thread about j-pipes, seeing the above situation occurred with your company in regards to your latest j-pipe.

Looking forward to the update in regards to the bracket without instructions. I actually PMd him/her to inquire if you provided a solution to its use. Including instructions would have been great! So, instead of "dealing directly" with that member, why not make a statement in the thread that was created about the issue.

Here it is.

MrHeeltoe

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The facts of our dealings, as you have recorded them are not inaccurate, but your interpretation of those fact are, understandably, different. You feel I called you a hacker and a liar. I only called you the latter because I never said the former. But it doesn't matter, now, really.

Nobody will ever be "fooled" by Heeltoe. We run a real tight, honest ship.

I am dealing with my customer directly as it should be. Lighting torches in forums, while fashionable and entertaining, does not solve problems. I spoke with the customer in the other thread just today. He's done a real great job articulating his experience with us, and I didn't want to dilute that pure recount of that customer's positive experience with Heeltoeauto.com with my unnecessary, redundant commentary.

Marcus

MonkeyTrucker

Someone, at your company, stated I hacked the price after informing them what I do for a living. Maybe retrain your customer service agents, or other employees who answer the phone, that that's bad for business.

Again, I look forward to a solution to the bracket, and hope it isn't just shared with a single member.

MrHeeltoe

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I'm the only one you spoke to, and I never said that. I am sorry if there was a misinterpretation or miscommunication. That is a real serious allegation and I'd be pissed, too. But I did not say that at all.

Solution is the bracket, we are supplying a rubber hanger that was overlooked. We are taking care of all our customers, definitely.

If you have a V2-R pipe NOT bought from us, then you would be able to get the parts as well.

yungone501

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I'm going to invest a mere $0.02 into this conversation and move on...

I too am a business owner of an electrical repair shop in Plano, Tx called Auto Electric Services. There are two things that I always do regardless of the situation: honor any requested refund wether full or partial and secondly is ensure a full warranty regardless of additional labor and cost(s) out of my own pocket. I can assure you ANY business that operates off of these two basic principles will be a successful one regardless of its own shortcomings.

When customers feel like they've been cheated by that business, the bad word created by a single dissatisfied customer will spread much quicker than one who spoke good. Greediness is a bad taste to leave in a customers mouth.

Joseph Stansbury

Thanks all for the input. I am really close to making a decision on brand and will most certainly consider deleting the third cat.

MonkeyTrucker, thanks for sharing your experience with bracket. MrHeelToe, thanks for letting us know that you stand by your product. To the both of you, please start another thread to resolve the customer service issue. Lets keep this thread to setup recommendations and and experiences with those running suggested setups.

Again, thank you all and keep em coming!

tomlinsonj

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I have a similar setup to your planned upgrade: OEM pre-cats> RV6 v3 jpipe> OEM resonator> MM delete> Magnaflow 11365s. I love the sound as does the wife, so win-win. It's performance-smooth and no raspiness. Maybe a hint of drone, but that's compared to the super-mild Stage 1 setup. My concern would be your 12" Dynomax resonator as you may get some rasp with a no-3rd cat jpipe, however the MFs might mask that. You might add XLR8 to your jpipe consideration if you plan on keeping the shorty Dynomax.

As for clearance, I'm on ASPEC suspension so no issues. But I've read where slammed rides have some concern with the RV6 collector flange, so YMMV. Good luck

DerrickW

Please forgive a newb question here. I'm getting ready to do the mid-muffler delete myself.

"the mid muffler delete, and replaced it with Dynomax 24215"

What is the Dynomax 24215?

pplcrew

"Dynomax 24215" is a pipe that deletes mid-muffler to make straight pipe.
However, it is not that loud.
So i went with the xlr8 cat-back and it sounds amazing now

Joseph Stansbury

yup, the Dynomax was used to replace the mid muffler. I deleted the stock resonator and stock mid-muffler.

Joseph Stansbury

You mean XLR8 mufflers?

tomlinsonj

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Nope - XLR8 jpipe. You might want to consider the XLR8 jpipe vs. the RV6 when making your decision.

Joseph Stansbury

Thanks all, i will be looking to make the purchase of the holiday. That's the plan at least.

MrHeeltoe

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Scottwax

Just FYI, the 3rd cat isn't very restrictive. Most of the gains from the j-pipe is due the pipe(s) and merge design.

Andrew Boechler

making me want to work on my exhaust setup.

Joseph Stansbury

Hey tomlinsonj,

Did you get a CEL with no third cat?

TacoBello

Removing the third cat will not throw a CEL.

Joseph Stansbury

Thanks, i thought so. The stealership told me that the CEL light that i got was casued by a bad 3rd cat and stood me down that there was a sensor in all 3 cats...and that they would fix it of course for a small small fee of my first born's big toe.

pohljm

It is actually twice as restrictive. It is the same cell count substrate but your moving both merged exhaust streams thru it.

MonkeyTrucker

You take that common sense out of here

Joseph Stansbury

Snagged the RV6 yesterday. Wanna see how it sounds with my current setup. @MrHeeltoe...how long will it take to ship?

Scottwax

This is the one that came off my car...it's a pretty small catalytic converter, don't even think it is a foot long.



And I would maintain the majority of gains come from the design of the J-pipe and not removing the 3rd cat. There was a test of the XLR8 v1 pipe with a test pipe in place of the 3rd cat vs the XLR8 v2 which eliminates the 3rd cat. So that takes the catalytic converter completely out of the equation. And the v2 made 10 hp and 9 lb-ft over v1 and a test pipe. So the design of the pipe plays a huge role in what kind of power gains you might get.

And it is obvious the OEM J-pipe isn't designed with maximum flow in mind.

MrHeeltoe

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We have not found this to be true. Since the ATLP pipe does not delete the cat we have tested it with and without the 3rd converter in place, and noticed that about half the gains of the combo are due to the deletion of the cat converter.

MrHeeltoe

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I will agree that the J-pipe design does influence the sort of gains one will see, but all the j-pipes we've tested, including the XLR8 V2, gain good power over stock. If you are just looking at one place in the rev range you will see varying gains, though. The ATLP being the most top-end biased and the RV6 being the most low-end biased.

Also, if the prior test was not done with a Flashpro map installed, it is essentially worthless information. Fuel and timing maps on these engine computers are way too active to be dyno testing without locked maps.