S.Blazes

http://www.throttlebodyspacer.com/pr...91350---2.html


any one applied one of these?


i just ordered it.
wish me luck !

Aman

Good luck indeed...

k1x

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I've seen a lot of the p2r but not these..let us know if its any good?, sorry if you have to be the guinea pig but good luck!!!

S.Blazes

i went by an old school mechanic buddy of mine,
i showed him the pr2 n he said its minimum gain for what im spending,
on most v8's tbspaces have groves much like a barrel of a gun..
causing a vortex and more suction and vacuum.

its a little bit more expensive but has the groves he spoke about...

pohljm

produces air breakup and turbulence that yields greater fuel burn efficiency! wow 20hp and 25 tq! give me a break! just trying to isolate heat is all. I think those grooves are on the outside, not the inside. Its just a heatsink.

BostonSilverTypeS

^ Good luck indeed...those numbers look to good to be true and I never heard about this TBS...but def let us know what you think of it after you install this

gwiffer

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That "dyno sheet" on the webpage shows an 8500+ rpm run. Who's J35 is revving that high.

I don't see this having any significant effect...good luck!

Please post up your before & after dyno sheets.

Bearcat94

Oddly they show the EXACT SAME dyno graph for the '05 - '10 Lincoln Town car.

pohljm

HAHAHA the J series be reving that high way before anything in a f'n town car! Hilarious! and some people will actually believe that ish!

Where is that Vtec dip?

vietxquangstah

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Before you come back here telling us how it works and makes a difference, please bring show a dyno sheet with stock and another dyno sheet with the spacer installed.

S.Blazes

iv never dyno'd my car..
i bought the car used and the clutch has never been replaced. after i replace my clutch i will give her a go. but i will most likely have already installed the tb spacer

just based on principle this should work better then the p2r. its bigger they're for creating more of a vacuum. I highly doubt ill get 20 whp but im guessing it could be more then the p2r.

as for the grooves. they are on the inside as well. i am not referring to the outer ridges but on the inside the grooves much like a gun, causes the bullet to spiral, like a football. giving you a better vortex, vacuum and airflow..

heres another view
http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com...le-Body-Spacer

as for the dyno chart...
..i never believe any of those...

if anything i should be a little faster... seeing how im $110 lighter in the wallet.. lol !

S.Blazes

and for the record...

i HIGHLY doubt any of you could pin point out how much 20 added hp feels like.

and if your willing to pay for my dyno id be more then happy too =p

losiglow

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Stopped reading after this:

Dyno tests resulted in up to a 20 horsepower gain, while dramatically increasing torque, thus improving the fuel mileage.

Call me doubting Thomas but I don't think so.

pohljm

Based upon principal? Yes! for sure!! you are going to want the greatest vacuum you can produce in your intake system! Let me know how that turns out!.

And your calling us out on not being able to detect a 20HP gain? This product if you can believe has been perfectly engineered by people obviously way smarter than anyone Honda/Acura has working for them could perhaps produce a generous 2 HP difference more than likely on a heat soaked engine.

pohljm

Come on! didnt you know that a 20HP gain always results in increased fuel mileage!

Where is Tdot?

S.Blazes

essentially supercharging my car?

S.Blazes

and im not calling out anyone..

but i mean even wit a cai saying that you get a 15 hp gain.

how many of us even really notice the actual gains?

and jeez its a 100 bucks.

its impossible to get 20 hp from just a tb spacer

but i want any possible gain i can get..
even i get 1/4 of that for $100 its worth it.

S.Blazes

you dont know where tdot is?

ask drake or any other mainstream hip-hop artist...

and here is a more accurate description.

Bearcat94

This isn't really close to correctly describing what you're trying to describe. Without forced induction, your air consumption is going to limited to cylinder volume (i.e. 3.5L). Period.

Even if the airflow enters the manifold 'cleaner', as soon as it hits your non-P&P intake runners, it's going to get disturbed and go turbulent again.

All you can hope for, really, is that the heatsink that is your TB Spacer will allow those 3.5L of air to remain (very) slightly cooler. Which might save you losing a couple HP when your engine is heat-soaked. Maybe.

S.Blazes

ohh.
thank you for explaining.
i WAS under the assumption that by adding the spacer the vacuum would be able to add more to cylinder volume. even if that being a slight addition.

I do plan to PnP my manifold very soon.. just waiting to by the p2r thermal intake gasket first.

as for the supercharger reference.. i wasnt serious. but i wanted better answers then pohjlm was giving. he gives smart ass questions. i give smart ass answers.

S.Blazes

...kinda like the mdx spacer mod...

pohljm

Yeah when I see Drake I will ask him!

Ok so you are comparing a thermal spacer with this device. First of all the design intent of how they operate is not the same. one is trying to keep the intake charge cooler, therefore more dense, tricking the ECU into allowing additional fuel to create additional power. This device is supposedly going to create some magic turbulence to both increase power and MPG. That should be your first clue that it is bogus. increased HP requires additional fuel.

On the other hand this looks to be a piece of highly thermally conductive metal with thin gaskets. It will in no way isolate heat from the intake plenum/throttle body giving you the benefits that a P2r or Outlaw thermal spacer may.

All the people on here are trying to do is to give you educated reasons on why this is a waste of your money. The old school mechanic that you questioned about the P2r spacer did not understand that the way the device works is by reducing heat transfer to the intake plenum/throttlebody. Thats why he said that this "vortex creator" would be superior. It may have an application on carburated "old school" intake systems, but not on a sophisticated fuel injected setup.

He was correct in that there would be minimal gains in any case.

This is also nothing like the MDX spacer mod. That works an entirely different way and is good for increased low end torque.

You need to do some more research on your own, or be more open to constructive criticism from others that understand what your trying to achieve and whats available to do that.

Aman

T.Dot is just Toronto.

The reason we're asking you for a before and after dyno is because that's the only proof you really can bring.

If you're saying no one on this site could feel a 20 HP boost, why are you spending more than $100 for something that you won't notice?

You can't advocate and argue for something and not even be willing to get the evidence to back it up.

S.Blazes

im saying ill get about 3-7 hp

i never said 20hp

and yes im willing to pay 100 for that amount.

n if i have to pay to dyno my car to shut both u bum buddies up.

ill gladly do it

S.Blazes

and sorry for thinking that the tb spacer would add a little to my cylinder volume or intake volume.
regardless ill probably gain just as any other spacer would provide.

Aman

Your money...

Bearcat94

He wouldn't be the first guy to spend a hundred bucks on a TB spacer that has minimal (if any) benefit.


Don't ask me how I know.

pohljm

Its not just the cost of this spacer. From the looks of the piece we are talking about it looks to be +2" thick. Make sure you add to your cost the price of that factory intake tube or the CAI you now need to cut down to make fit.

You really would be ahead to return it and spend the money on something different if possible. Thermal spacers would have a better chance of gaining the power you desire. This piece will not provide a thermal break. that is where the possible gains are, not in manipulating the vortex of the fuel/air mixture.

S.Blazes

your a retard.
my cia wont need to be cut.
the vibration damper provided wit my cia isn't even tightened all the way because it is so far pulled over to my tb. all i have to do is loosen the vibration damper re adjust it over 2" and ill be fine.

yes a 2" gap can be devastating when your modding your car and need room in little tight places or to extend piping for exhaust or other things along that line.

BUT FOR MY SPACER? LOL
i can have that spacer on. no cutting in less then 40 min.

AND YES I SPENT 100 DOLLERS

good for me !

yay i have a tl-s that both you bitches don't got. and yes ill gladly spend another 100 on .002 hp if i have too !

INSTEAD of sitting here and acting like you know everything why don't u go make a tb spacer that's worth buying. then ill send u 100 TO SHUT UP.

and just so you know. THE P2R IS MADE OF THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE HELIX. ALUMINUM. THEY ARE NON HEAT CONDUCTORS.
SO YES I WAS WRONG FOR THINKING I WILL ADD AIR VOLUME. BUT IT WILL STILL ACT AS A THERMAL BREAK. SO WHETHER I WAS GONNA BY THE P2R OR HELIX OR MAKE IT MY GOD DAMN SELF people SWEAR by them and so will I.

Im done with this thread. I have a life and a car to get back to.

justnspace

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good job on having a life and a car.

pohljm

HAHAHA yeah aluminum is a non heat conductor! cook much?

I would refrain from asking advice if you do not want to hear the correct answers. good luck with your lame build. And when you do have to cut your CAI dont forget to come back and apologize. For sure you should also do the coolant bypass mod too especially in Tdot. Then perhaps I will hear about you on the news!

pohljm

Yeah and at 23 you should be ecstatic to be driving a luxury /sport 4 dr that someone like myself at 52 finds appealing. In no way is this a high performance vehicle like you may believe. At 23 my daily driver was a Scarab that I built, so dont think I am at all jealous of your heavy honda.


Thats why I run a phenolic insulator by Outlaw Engineering which is a true insulator. Your device will have no thermal break capabilities.

And the people that you have asked for advice and ignored have forgotten more about this platform than you will ever know.

S.Blazes

u want pictures of my 355 (bored) small block full carb build im doing?
its going into a s10

and i just bought a 87 305 chevy custom deluxe (fi) last night.
ill post pictures in a day or two.

and funny enough. the tls is going to my wife.

and i dont know why you couldnt just explain things first. non of ur first 3 comments did anything constructive. soo either way your still a prick even though your right.

and sir

don't doubt me. i have many years to catch up to you. cars of the future are moving further and further from the cars you built at the age of 23.

S.Blazes

and yes i saw those thermal break gaskets before. i was going to wait till i ported my intake then replace all my gaskets and properly do the mdx mod.

not that you give two fucks.

pohljm

Good luck with your builds! Because if you had to ask questions bout your spacer you better be prepared to pay someone that knows what they are doin to get it done.

swoosh

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Bearcat94

And off the cliff we go ....