Laser jammers?
04-04-2011, 01:34 PM
#41
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I dunno if I'd go as far as to say that. Unless you've personally done the extensive testing that he has and the video above is any evidence, then yeah, the E 0 1 tone was definitely different than the regular readings. It's a possibility that jammers have their own distinctive tonal feedback. So even though I don't believe in them, I do believe by the way he speaks about them that he likely has more knowledge on them than anyone who's posted so far.
Let me specify on the tone the gun gives. It does not just give a random tone if it thinks it is being jammed. All guns come with a quality feedback tone, it is basically a laser guns equivalent to radars Doppler tone. Each gun sounds different and reacts different on cars without jammers, and cars with jammers. An experienced tester can even specify what jammer they are shooting. Police officers are obviously not allowed to attend our private testing and they can't just check out a $3,800 dollar laser gun overnight to test a jammer equipped vehicle on their own time to know what it sounds like. As a result, very few officers actually know how to identify the quality tone for a jammer.
As always there are people who won't believe they work and honestly I don't care. They can keep getting their tickets and I'll avoid mine. I have done enough private testing to know that no gun on the market can get a reading on my car so someone with no experience in the matter trying to convince me otherwise is not going to happen. It's up to you who you want to believe though. I have a meet this Saturday where I will be testing the new firmware update that came out on the 30th for the Blinder Mx7 on multiple vehicles as well as a couple vehicles with LIs. If you were in the area of Dallas, TX I'd invite you to come and see yourself.
Here is a video of the same gun in the previous video actually shooting the LI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRF1LLrCM4&feature=channel_video_title
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04-05-2011, 12:40 AM
#42
I'm guessing you drive these expressway/parkways pretty regularly. So I'm SURE in certain spots on the these roads (by repetition), you've come to learn where cops are most likely to be, around what time of day they're likely to be there, and how many generally hang out in the area at said time. If you can't wrap your mind around the point i'm making which is to be more conscious of your surroundings, then yes, you are one of the careless people who would benefit from a jammer.
"I'm not one of those "why speed in the first place" types. I speed EVERY day w/o the aid of any jammer or detector and on occasions, I get a ticket."
Listen, if you want to spend the rest of the morning twisting my words into your POV, go head.
"I'm not one of those "why speed in the first place" types. I speed EVERY day w/o the aid of any jammer or detector and on occasions, I get a ticket."
Listen, if you want to spend the rest of the morning twisting my words into your POV, go head.
And nobody twisted your words around... You kind of contradict your own statement by saying that there is no need for laser jammers because all you need is common sense, but then turn around and say that you get tickets. Wow that's a pretty hard one to comprehend. But of course you're obviously superior to me so I guess I'm twisting your words around.
Lastly, I never said I use or can't drive without a laser jammer... I was simply explaining that not everything is as black and white as your original post would like to suggest. But then again, your original post really didn't say much because where is the validity in saying, "Laser jammers are for people without common sense. People like me, people with common sense, don't need them. But I get tickets."
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04-05-2011, 05:05 AM
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Cops have popular places they like to hang out. They don't switch it up a whole lot, and you should know where they are if you drive these expressways/parkways pretty regularly. Don't know where you got roads you're not familiar with, or every road you drive down.
You should know at least where they hang out on your daily route, if anywhere.
You should know at least where they hang out on your daily route, if anywhere.
04-05-2011, 12:20 PM
#44
Cops have popular places they like to hang out. They don't switch it up a whole lot, and you should know where they are if you drive these expressways/parkways pretty regularly. Don't know where you got roads you're not familiar with, or every road you drive down.
You should know at least where they hang out on your daily route, if anywhere.
You should know at least where they hang out on your daily route, if anywhere.
And what do you mean you don't know where I got roads you're not familiar with or every road you drive down? The topic of discussion is laser jammers and getting you out of tickets when you pass a cop. Aren't those situations where you may pass a cop and not know you're doing so until its too late?
04-05-2011, 03:25 PM
#46
LOL... Funny thing is, I'm willing to bet that everyone in this thread has gotten a ticket before... So saying that knowing where all cops are is all you need, and a device can't help is just funny. Whatever though, I'm with Woodscolby.
04-06-2011, 02:07 PM
#47
It's great that you had that lengthy post. Too bad you didn't say much in it. So allow me to breakdown your breakdown with a more in-depth breakdown.
First off,
Thank you
On my drive to work, I spend 10 minutes on the city streets and an hour fifteen on the interstate. I take the same exact path back home and have been doing so for the past 3 years. What I’m telling you is that within those 3 three years, I have greatly reduced my chances of getting a ticket because I've grown more and more aware of the cop's habits.
Let's say there is construction and I have to detour down a new road or I'm out of town for a trip. Am I dumb enough to speed where I don't know where cops hide?? Heck NO because I don't know where the cops hide. Now if YOU find yourself speeding down unfamiliar roads, more power to you. Luckily for me, I'm not stupid.
Is this a real question? Yes, cops will hide wherever their cars, bikes, and SUVs will fit but I can only guess that the cops in your area are robots that are programmed to be completely random because the cops where I live are humans and have this funny little mental idiosyncrasy of being creatures of habit.
Example: Every morning when I drive home from work, there is an old man standing outside his squad car (sitting inside if it's too cold or bad weather) with a laser gun in a wooded area. Well, he's normally not there on Sundays and Tuesday which I guess are his days off. Other than than, he's there. Not all cops are as predictable but if you were to take the actual time to learn the layout of the land and study behavior, you could probably set a clock on where to find cops sitting in their nest and gain perception on the possible wildcards in the mix.
Every once in a while I get a ticket. Never paid over 150 for one and it's very far and in between. At the rate I get tickets, I would have to drive for 5 to 7 more years to equal the cost of the Laser Interceptor. Do you understand the math I'm laying out here? In a time when people are trying to save money, it is literally cheaper and more economical for me to take the ticket than it is spend it on a jammer. So I didn't contradict myself. You just FAILED to see my point. No one on this planet NEEDS a jammer if they have God-given common sense. If one lacks common sense, then they should terminate life immediately. And nah, I’m human just like you but upon re-examining, I don’t think it’s an issue of you twisting my words but more of a lack of rational reasoning skills and fundamental comprehension of the English language. And judging by the 800+ views but lack of posts in your support, so it's at least safe to say the words you spew are only contagious to anyone with zero feet of you (hey, simply combatting sarcasm with sarcasm).
No real need to touch your recap paragraph since it was basically just a regurgitation of what you already said because hey, who needs a recap for a one-minute read? But I’LL say one last time, no one NEEDS a scanner if they’re smart enough to not speed EVERYWHERE and do so in stretches of road where the probability of police presence is low. If a cop does happen to catch you in their sights, it will always be far cheaper to pay the ticket. If a person finds themselves paying out large amounts and racking up points on their driving record, then there is something lacking in them and speeding, in the grand scheme of things, probably plays a minor part in the jumbled chaos that makes up their lives. I will retract my “jammers pretty much make the statement, I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face" comment. What it should say is “jammers pretty much make the statement , I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face or that “I can't be expected to be held accountable for my lack of self control in terms of my actions and really need a jammer to do the thinking that I can’t do for myself”. Jammers should have a disclaimer like the Surgeon General has for cigarettes: If you were smarter, you wouldn't need this.
First off,
Thank you
On my drive to work, I spend 10 minutes on the city streets and an hour fifteen on the interstate. I take the same exact path back home and have been doing so for the past 3 years. What I’m telling you is that within those 3 three years, I have greatly reduced my chances of getting a ticket because I've grown more and more aware of the cop's habits.
Let's say there is construction and I have to detour down a new road or I'm out of town for a trip. Am I dumb enough to speed where I don't know where cops hide?? Heck NO because I don't know where the cops hide. Now if YOU find yourself speeding down unfamiliar roads, more power to you. Luckily for me, I'm not stupid.
Is this a real question? Yes, cops will hide wherever their cars, bikes, and SUVs will fit but I can only guess that the cops in your area are robots that are programmed to be completely random because the cops where I live are humans and have this funny little mental idiosyncrasy of being creatures of habit.
Example: Every morning when I drive home from work, there is an old man standing outside his squad car (sitting inside if it's too cold or bad weather) with a laser gun in a wooded area. Well, he's normally not there on Sundays and Tuesday which I guess are his days off. Other than than, he's there. Not all cops are as predictable but if you were to take the actual time to learn the layout of the land and study behavior, you could probably set a clock on where to find cops sitting in their nest and gain perception on the possible wildcards in the mix.
You kind of contradict your own statement by saying that there is no need for laser jammers because all you need is common sense, but then turn around and say that you get tickets. Wow that's a pretty hard one to comprehend. But of course you're obviously superior to me so I guess I'm twisting your words around.
Every once in a while I get a ticket. Never paid over 150 for one and it's very far and in between. At the rate I get tickets, I would have to drive for 5 to 7 more years to equal the cost of the Laser Interceptor. Do you understand the math I'm laying out here? In a time when people are trying to save money, it is literally cheaper and more economical for me to take the ticket than it is spend it on a jammer. So I didn't contradict myself. You just FAILED to see my point. No one on this planet NEEDS a jammer if they have God-given common sense. If one lacks common sense, then they should terminate life immediately. And nah, I’m human just like you but upon re-examining, I don’t think it’s an issue of you twisting my words but more of a lack of rational reasoning skills and fundamental comprehension of the English language. And judging by the 800+ views but lack of posts in your support, so it's at least safe to say the words you spew are only contagious to anyone with zero feet of you (hey, simply combatting sarcasm with sarcasm).
No real need to touch your recap paragraph since it was basically just a regurgitation of what you already said because hey, who needs a recap for a one-minute read? But I’LL say one last time, no one NEEDS a scanner if they’re smart enough to not speed EVERYWHERE and do so in stretches of road where the probability of police presence is low. If a cop does happen to catch you in their sights, it will always be far cheaper to pay the ticket. If a person finds themselves paying out large amounts and racking up points on their driving record, then there is something lacking in them and speeding, in the grand scheme of things, probably plays a minor part in the jumbled chaos that makes up their lives. I will retract my “jammers pretty much make the statement, I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face" comment. What it should say is “jammers pretty much make the statement , I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face or that “I can't be expected to be held accountable for my lack of self control in terms of my actions and really need a jammer to do the thinking that I can’t do for myself”. Jammers should have a disclaimer like the Surgeon General has for cigarettes: If you were smarter, you wouldn't need this.
04-06-2011, 04:46 PM
#51
I apologize if i'm stressing my point a little too firmly. I do believe that jammers have a practical purpose like if your job consists primarily of you driving all the time which sometimes leads you to fall victim to highway hypnosis or fatigue, which i've been guitly of. In a situation like that, I would consider it to be an investment. It's the "it's worth $1000 just to know I don't have to slow down for hills or overpass enbunkments because I'm talking on my cell / messing with the radio / late for work / just don't feel like slowing down" types that stick in my craw.
04-06-2011, 07:02 PM
#52
I apologize if i'm stressing my point a little too firmly. I do believe that jammers have a practical purpose like if your job consists primarily of you driving all the time which sometimes leads you to fall victim to highway hypnosis or fatigue, which i've been guitly of. In a situation like that, I would consider it to be an investment. It's the "it's worth $1000 just to know I don't have to slow down for hills or overpass enbunkments because I'm talking on my cell / messing with the radio / late for work / just don't feel like slowing down" types that stick in my craw.
04-06-2011, 10:53 PM
#53
It's great that you had that lengthy post. Too bad you didn't say much in it. So allow me to breakdown your breakdown with a more in-depth breakdown.
First off,
Thank you
On my drive to work, I spend 10 minutes on the city streets and an hour fifteen on the interstate. I take the same exact path back home and have been doing so for the past 3 years. What I’m telling you is that within those 3 three years, I have greatly reduced my chances of getting a ticket because I've grown more and more aware of the cop's habits.
Let's say there is construction and I have to detour down a new road or I'm out of town for a trip. Am I dumb enough to speed where I don't know where cops hide?? Heck NO because I don't know where the cops hide. Now if YOU find yourself speeding down unfamiliar roads, more power to you. Luckily for me, I'm not stupid.
Is this a real question? Yes, cops will hide wherever their cars, bikes, and SUVs will fit but I can only guess that the cops in your area are robots that are programmed to be completely random because the cops where I live are humans and have this funny little mental idiosyncrasy of being creatures of habit.
Example: Every morning when I drive home from work, there is an old man standing outside his squad car (sitting inside if it's too cold or bad weather) with a laser gun in a wooded area. Well, he's normally not there on Sundays and Tuesday which I guess are his days off. Other than than, he's there. Not all cops are as predictable but if you were to take the actual time to learn the layout of the land and study behavior, you could probably set a clock on where to find cops sitting in their nest and gain perception on the possible wildcards in the mix.
Every once in a while I get a ticket. Never paid over 150 for one and it's very far and in between. At the rate I get tickets, I would have to drive for 5 to 7 more years to equal the cost of the Laser Interceptor. Do you understand the math I'm laying out here? In a time when people are trying to save money, it is literally cheaper and more economical for me to take the ticket than it is spend it on a jammer. So I didn't contradict myself. You just FAILED to see my point. No one on this planet NEEDS a jammer if they have God-given common sense. If one lacks common sense, then they should terminate life immediately. And nah, I’m human just like you but upon re-examining, I don’t think it’s an issue of you twisting my words but more of a lack of rational reasoning skills and fundamental comprehension of the English language. And judging by the 800+ views but lack of posts in your support, so it's at least safe to say the words you spew are only contagious to anyone with zero feet of you (hey, simply combatting sarcasm with sarcasm).
No real need to touch your recap paragraph since it was basically just a regurgitation of what you already said because hey, who needs a recap for a one-minute read? But I’LL say one last time, no one NEEDS a scanner if they’re smart enough to not speed EVERYWHERE and do so in stretches of road where the probability of police presence is low. If a cop does happen to catch you in their sights, it will always be far cheaper to pay the ticket. If a person finds themselves paying out large amounts and racking up points on their driving record, then there is something lacking in them and speeding, in the grand scheme of things, probably plays a minor part in the jumbled chaos that makes up their lives. I will retract my “jammers pretty much make the statement, I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face" comment. What it should say is “jammers pretty much make the statement , I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face or that “I can't be expected to be held accountable for my lack of self control in terms of my actions and really need a jammer to do the thinking that I can’t do for myself”. Jammers should have a disclaimer like the Surgeon General has for cigarettes: If you were smarter, you wouldn't need this.
First off,
Thank you
On my drive to work, I spend 10 minutes on the city streets and an hour fifteen on the interstate. I take the same exact path back home and have been doing so for the past 3 years. What I’m telling you is that within those 3 three years, I have greatly reduced my chances of getting a ticket because I've grown more and more aware of the cop's habits.
Let's say there is construction and I have to detour down a new road or I'm out of town for a trip. Am I dumb enough to speed where I don't know where cops hide?? Heck NO because I don't know where the cops hide. Now if YOU find yourself speeding down unfamiliar roads, more power to you. Luckily for me, I'm not stupid.
Is this a real question? Yes, cops will hide wherever their cars, bikes, and SUVs will fit but I can only guess that the cops in your area are robots that are programmed to be completely random because the cops where I live are humans and have this funny little mental idiosyncrasy of being creatures of habit.
Example: Every morning when I drive home from work, there is an old man standing outside his squad car (sitting inside if it's too cold or bad weather) with a laser gun in a wooded area. Well, he's normally not there on Sundays and Tuesday which I guess are his days off. Other than than, he's there. Not all cops are as predictable but if you were to take the actual time to learn the layout of the land and study behavior, you could probably set a clock on where to find cops sitting in their nest and gain perception on the possible wildcards in the mix.
Every once in a while I get a ticket. Never paid over 150 for one and it's very far and in between. At the rate I get tickets, I would have to drive for 5 to 7 more years to equal the cost of the Laser Interceptor. Do you understand the math I'm laying out here? In a time when people are trying to save money, it is literally cheaper and more economical for me to take the ticket than it is spend it on a jammer. So I didn't contradict myself. You just FAILED to see my point. No one on this planet NEEDS a jammer if they have God-given common sense. If one lacks common sense, then they should terminate life immediately. And nah, I’m human just like you but upon re-examining, I don’t think it’s an issue of you twisting my words but more of a lack of rational reasoning skills and fundamental comprehension of the English language. And judging by the 800+ views but lack of posts in your support, so it's at least safe to say the words you spew are only contagious to anyone with zero feet of you (hey, simply combatting sarcasm with sarcasm).
No real need to touch your recap paragraph since it was basically just a regurgitation of what you already said because hey, who needs a recap for a one-minute read? But I’LL say one last time, no one NEEDS a scanner if they’re smart enough to not speed EVERYWHERE and do so in stretches of road where the probability of police presence is low. If a cop does happen to catch you in their sights, it will always be far cheaper to pay the ticket. If a person finds themselves paying out large amounts and racking up points on their driving record, then there is something lacking in them and speeding, in the grand scheme of things, probably plays a minor part in the jumbled chaos that makes up their lives. I will retract my “jammers pretty much make the statement, I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face" comment. What it should say is “jammers pretty much make the statement , I'm gonna break the law right in the cop's face or that “I can't be expected to be held accountable for my lack of self control in terms of my actions and really need a jammer to do the thinking that I can’t do for myself”. Jammers should have a disclaimer like the Surgeon General has for cigarettes: If you were smarter, you wouldn't need this.
04-09-2011, 10:00 PM
#55
sorry it took me so long to chime in, i have had them on for over 2 years and no rock chips, i have also only been hit by laser once so i havent gotten to really test them haha.. when i did get hit they beeped in the right amount of time, i slowed down and turned them off, passed the cop, turned them back on and all was good.
for price i got them from a friend of mines father for about 100, but he paid around 300 for them i believe
for price i got them from a friend of mines father for about 100, but he paid around 300 for them i believe
04-28-2011, 08:23 PM
#56
Racer
Checkout https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...highlight=RX75 and don't forget passive too. I've been running my RX75 + passive for 4 years and no tickets since. Jammers in the grill and several direct laser encounters that could have ended a lot worse.
Also checkout the new Escort 9500ci.
Also checkout the new Escort 9500ci.
10-27-2011, 08:41 AM
#58
Instructor
Soon these will be obsolete. My dad who has been working for Atlanta police for years told me about these new radar guns that can defeat radar jammers as well as laser jammers. They haven't been approved in GA yet but they are coming probably another 6 months. Other states are testing these or similar variants. He told me they are pretty effective.
08-18-2012, 10:26 PM
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bump finally ordered some jammers, i actually got a very good deal on some but they are diode based NOT LI and not well known, however on radar forums they have performed very well
08-25-2012, 12:14 PM
#62
You won't know the K40 is there, because you will be getting a ticket. K40 is oe of the worst performing installed radar detectors and laser jammers.
09-26-2012, 06:43 PM
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damn this thread is old, but theres a lot of good info in it... Ive had an Escort SRX, with the lazer jammer heads included (now discontinued), in my last 2 vehicles and have never got a ticket when Ive had it, over 5 years... Ill admit, Ive only been hit with laser about 5-10 times total, but it must have worked a few times cause I know I was at least 10 over the speed limit.
09-27-2012, 02:50 AM
#66
Just thought I'd throw up a pic of where I installed my LI parts for others considering installing the LI.
I like how mine came out, really clean and easy for me to do firmware updates, it's not difficult at all to install the hardest part is getting the heads level and disassembling the console to install the switches where I did and that wasn't even that hard.
I ran my wires down the factory harnesses on the driver's side for the heads on the rear and the wires come in from the driver side marker light for the front heads.
It's already saved me a few times.
I like how mine came out, really clean and easy for me to do firmware updates, it's not difficult at all to install the hardest part is getting the heads level and disassembling the console to install the switches where I did and that wasn't even that hard.
I ran my wires down the factory harnesses on the driver's side for the heads on the rear and the wires come in from the driver side marker light for the front heads.
It's already saved me a few times.
09-28-2012, 01:46 AM
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Just thought I'd throw up a pic of where I installed my LI parts for others considering installing the LI.
I like how mine came out, really clean and easy for me to do firmware updates, it's not difficult at all to install the hardest part is getting the heads level and disassembling the console to install the switches where I did and that wasn't even that hard.
I ran my wires down the factory harnesses on the driver's side for the heads on the rear and the wires come in from the driver side marker light for the front heads.
It's already saved me a few times.
I like how mine came out, really clean and easy for me to do firmware updates, it's not difficult at all to install the hardest part is getting the heads level and disassembling the console to install the switches where I did and that wasn't even that hard.
I ran my wires down the factory harnesses on the driver's side for the heads on the rear and the wires come in from the driver side marker light for the front heads.
It's already saved me a few times.
Mine are in the middle of the grille, like under the middle.
10-17-2012, 10:24 PM
#68
I have the LI Dual installed in my TL to the left and right of the emblem immediately under the hood. The LI CEO and another user on here recommended I put them there so I did. And boy do they work well. I just did a recent firmware update as well. Just this week I got zapped by a PO at night, who was hiding in the middle of the freeway, with all but the top 2-3 feet of his car above highway level, and his lights off. That kind of hiding kept him obviously low and harder to spot...and I never saw him. He zapped me at no more than 200 yards; it scared the heck out of me b/c I wasn't expecting him there (I know that stretch of road fairly well)...my V1 and LI were both blaring. I know the jamming system worked well b/c he kept me lit up until he was 45 degrees to my left and close enough to see. So he had tried to get a reading for probably 6-8 seconds; when I got zapped a few years ago (without a jammer), it took the PO 2-3 seconds max to get a reading based on my V1 alert before he shut it off and I had the red party lights behind me. So I feel the LI not only worked, but worked so well that it kept on jamming well within the distance that most jammers would have been punched through.
Site note: I had ZR3's on my older car and they worked perfectly despite their age; lidar units are expensive so it's not something that is updated every year. That's why there are Prolaser's 1 and 2 still in use and the ZR3 works just fine. Sure you can spend more on a ZR4 or LI (and it would be worth it), but what I learned is that if where you mainly drive still uses the older guns, you can score an inexpensive ZR3 that will more than likely work just fine. But do your research. I have nothing bad to say about my elder ZR3 and only good reviews on my LI. Install isn't overly hard esp. on a TL...lots of info on the forums.
Site note: I had ZR3's on my older car and they worked perfectly despite their age; lidar units are expensive so it's not something that is updated every year. That's why there are Prolaser's 1 and 2 still in use and the ZR3 works just fine. Sure you can spend more on a ZR4 or LI (and it would be worth it), but what I learned is that if where you mainly drive still uses the older guns, you can score an inexpensive ZR3 that will more than likely work just fine. But do your research. I have nothing bad to say about my elder ZR3 and only good reviews on my LI. Install isn't overly hard esp. on a TL...lots of info on the forums.
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