Imaging (front soundstage) question when upgrading stock speakers
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Imaging (front soundstage) question when upgrading stock speakers
Hello everyone:
I have tried to read all of the threads I could find about upgrading your stock speakers (especially the tweeters, center channel, and possibly front door).
Here is my understanding: (Please correct me if I am wrong)
The front door speakers are full range, but the stock ones do not have tweeters, so they don't really have any "sparkle".
The tweeters in the dash are feed the same thing as the front door speakers, but there is a simple capacitor which keeps the low frequencies out of the tweeter.
So, here is my question:
I've read where many people have upgraded their front door speakers to 2-way which have a tweeter. Plus, they have upgraded the dashboard tweeters with better ones. Usually with the same manufacturer (for example, Infinity Reference series) so that the timbre will be matched.
With the stock speakers you get some mid-range imaging from the front door speakers and then the "sparkle" comes from the tweeters which really bounce off of the windshield, so they aren't really pointed toward the ears.
In the upgrade scenario, you should be getting more imaging information from the front door speakers due to the tweeter, and still get imaging cues from the dashboard tweeters.
Since I am much more interested in high quality sound with good, stable imaging (vs. just more volume or bass) can anyone describe to me how their imaging changed after doing the upgrade scenario that I describe? Does having the 2 sets of tweeters mess the imaging up?
Thanks!
Robert
PS - I have a 2005 TL - non-navi.
I have tried to read all of the threads I could find about upgrading your stock speakers (especially the tweeters, center channel, and possibly front door).
Here is my understanding: (Please correct me if I am wrong)
The front door speakers are full range, but the stock ones do not have tweeters, so they don't really have any "sparkle".
The tweeters in the dash are feed the same thing as the front door speakers, but there is a simple capacitor which keeps the low frequencies out of the tweeter.
So, here is my question:
I've read where many people have upgraded their front door speakers to 2-way which have a tweeter. Plus, they have upgraded the dashboard tweeters with better ones. Usually with the same manufacturer (for example, Infinity Reference series) so that the timbre will be matched.
With the stock speakers you get some mid-range imaging from the front door speakers and then the "sparkle" comes from the tweeters which really bounce off of the windshield, so they aren't really pointed toward the ears.
In the upgrade scenario, you should be getting more imaging information from the front door speakers due to the tweeter, and still get imaging cues from the dashboard tweeters.
Since I am much more interested in high quality sound with good, stable imaging (vs. just more volume or bass) can anyone describe to me how their imaging changed after doing the upgrade scenario that I describe? Does having the 2 sets of tweeters mess the imaging up?
Thanks!
Robert
PS - I have a 2005 TL - non-navi.
Last edited by Trek7300; 06-05-2009 at 03:56 PM. Reason: PS added
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staging and imaging are two entirely different topics...
2 tweeters is a horrible idea...destructive interference is iminent...especially with no time correction...
second...imaging of speakers has alot more factors than what your implying here...
PLD - path length differences from the acoustic emitters to the listeners ears <-Primary
Reflected vs Direct Sound...
On-Axis vs Off-Axis tonality...<- Secondary
Crossover Points Betweeen Hi Freq and low freq, in some cases mid range driver...
driver freq response...
phasing...
group delay at certain freq...
where do you want to begin?
how deep do you wanna get into SQ?
-Jason
2 tweeters is a horrible idea...destructive interference is iminent...especially with no time correction...
second...imaging of speakers has alot more factors than what your implying here...
PLD - path length differences from the acoustic emitters to the listeners ears <-Primary
Reflected vs Direct Sound...
On-Axis vs Off-Axis tonality...<- Secondary
Crossover Points Betweeen Hi Freq and low freq, in some cases mid range driver...
driver freq response...
phasing...
group delay at certain freq...
where do you want to begin?
how deep do you wanna get into SQ?
-Jason
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