Hack Your Navi Summarized! (Change pics and remove nag screen)

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Old 05-07-2006, 01:15 PM
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Sorry, I'm not familiar with its navigation (nor most members here). I think you'll have better luck getting help on an Accord forum.

I would go through each diagnostic menu and see if I can find a version number for the bin. If you've tried to extract each of the 9 bins and you had error mesages with the dumpnavi, maybe try a Google search for the error message? Maybe people with Accord navi have updated the software


Just found this on this thread:
Originally Posted by RichChrisB
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Version (will check later)

Useful Info: The Accord seems to use 06Touch2.bin rather than 06AVN2.bin

All other things from Guicide work fine, just different filename.
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hmm okay well the error message is just a normal windows encountered a error and needs to close I have attached a screen shot of it you can see.


I just tried it again on the 06Touch2.bin file

where is that thread you are referring too?

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I would contribute....someone organizing this?
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For the 06 Accord I have found that the bin you want is 06Touch2.bin. Using that bin instead of the one listed please follow the instructions at www.guicide.com/cars. Click on his Civic, then on hacks. Follow those instructions as stated and substitute his bin for 06Touch2 and it works flawlessly.
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Originally Posted by vector1701
I would contribute....someone organizing this?
See here: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135937
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I've spent some time muncing throught navi.exe and have figured out how to modify the nag screen to read custom text...

I'm thinking of using this as a place to glean some knowledge for myself and put my favorite quotes...
Something like:

Donuts... Is there ANYTHING they can't do?

- H. Simpson

One problem thought, Once I've extracted the .bin file and modified navi.exe and back.bmp, what's the command to recompress it back to the new modified .bin file?
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From the first post, something like this (you would substitute your actual bin file):

dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update Back.bmp
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update navi.exe navi-nonag.exe


BTW, its done via the command prompt.
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Refer to Bysin's Navi-Hack page.

http://linuxkiddies.com/projects/navi/

It tells you how to use the "update" keyword to place the modified exe back in the bin file.

dumpnavi BNHN404A.BIN update navi.exe navi-nonag.exe

Let us know if you remove the nag button...

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by rkclarke
Refer to Bysin's Navi-Hack page.

http://linuxkiddies.com/projects/navi/

It tells you how to use the "update" keyword to place the modified exe back in the bin file.

dumpnavi BNHN404A.BIN update navi.exe navi-nonag.exe

Let us know if you remove the nag button...

Good luck!
Got it...
You have to put the navi.exe in the same directory (treat it just like back.bmp...

The command is navihack update navi.exe

inserting the navi-no-nag.exe into the command replaces my modifications with the "nothing". Right now my Navi reads my favorite Simpson's quote and the button reads "TL".

Removing the nag button is abit more advanced, I'll look, but it's some serious work, much more effort that parsing an exe with a hex editor.
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Can someone help me---I managed to change the picture and do the A/C hack. Problem is I also check off to change the text at the nag screen.

Now I'm having the same problem as someone else where the screen doesn't show anything and the button says okay. I just want the picture changed and the text the same without the A/C hack.

Which is the negative on the battery? I just disconnect it for 30 seconds and then with my navigation dvd turn the car on?

Can I use the GUI version of the dumpnavi without the text being erased?

Thanks for the help. I don't understand the non-gui version of the program so I don't get those posts.
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I haven't played with the GUI version. I find the command prompt method straight forward. Something that can easily picked up. Here is a quick tutorial.

It is also possible to load back to factory by inserting the original nav DVD and telling it to re-read the disk (steps 14-19 with the original disk).
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I tried loading the factory disk back but everything stayed afterwards so I am gonna have to mess around with this to get it back to normal. The trip computer is good but the A/C which is what I wanted is not only redundant considering the screen above it but doesn't work 100% in any case.
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Image Details & 'stat' error during bin update

Anyone have details on how to generate/convert image using Photoshop?

Also anyone get 'stat' error when trying to upate the .bin file?
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Originally Posted by vstk2
Anyone have details on how to generate/convert image using Photoshop?

Also anyone get 'stat' error when trying to upate the .bin file?
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The image details taken from the first post:
If using Photoshop, one way to meet the pictures specs is to convert the picture from RGB to Indexed (Image > Mode > Indexed Color). Once inside the indexed color dialog box, chose Local (Perceptual) from the Palette drop down menu. Then input 173 in the Colors field. This will alter your colors in your image because you are limiting the palette, so you might have to make some sacrifices or changes to the image. Then save as bitmap, 8 bit. Another way is to crop the image on the sides a bit (I haven't tried that yet).

DO NOT use Bitmap compression (RLE)

The BMP gets stretched vertically about 30% from the BMP to the screen.
So just compress the image vertically by 30% and it should look normal when it's on screen.
I haven't received any 'stat' errors.
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Question about IDA.

When I run the disassembler should I run it as PE, EXE, or binary?

Also, I assume I should choose Hitachi SH-4 as the processor type correct?

Thanks for the help.
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It's a PE compiled for SH4.
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Gen 4 Navigation Information

To begin, I have no clue what I am doing. Now for the info:

Not a single executable file that I have been able to extract has been compiled for an SH4 processor. The only one that is seems to be UPDATE_APL.EXE which is located on the disk. When I open this in IDA it states "Execution flows beyond limits." But there is actually some recognizable coding there and I am now looking it over. Those with Gen 4 Navi should check it out.

Any advice from you guys with decent programming experience would be appreciated. Tips with my error etc. would be great. Thanks.
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Question: is it possible to change the disclaimer screen to something else instead of a blank screen?
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Originally Posted by azurepalm
Question: is it possible to change the disclaimer screen to something else instead of a blank screen?
Yes,
1) Read this post again.

2) Use dumpnavi to extrac tthe boot .bin file for yuor car

3) Use a Hex editor to parse throught navi.exe. Use the search function to find key words in the disclaimer creen and replace those words with words of yuor choice.

4) When finished, save navi.exe and use dumpnavi to update the .bin file

5) Burn CD

6) Update Nav.

Once you get the hang of it, it takes about 10 minutes.
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'YOUR ROUTE TAKES YOU INTO UNVERIFIED AREAS..."

forget the splash screen. How about a way to get rid of this annoying message? I've heard it so many times I can recite it from memory:

"Your route takes you into unverified areas. Stop and review your route. Exercise additional caution while driving in these areas."

1000X more annoying than having to push OK at the beginning...
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The nav is ok, but really sucks compared to my Garmin 3600 PDA. The garmin rolls through the street numbers as you go down the street! And it never gives me the unverified roads bullcrap.

*holding head with both hands* make the voices go away, make the voices go away.

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Question Navidump for '06 RL

Does anyone know if there is a Navidump for the '06 RL? Changing the startup screen would be nice; but I am most interested in getting rid of the "nag screen". Any help is MOST appreciated.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by stithb
Does anyone know if there is a Navidump for the '06 RL? Changing the startup screen would be nice; but I am most interested in getting rid of the "nag screen". Any help is MOST appreciated.

Thanks!
I hate to ask this... but have you tried following the directions posted here? We've confirmed this works on TSX's and MDX's... no reason the RL should be any different, provided they use the same Alpine based DVD nav units.
The key is identifying which file on the DVD is your "boot load" file.
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Anybody else out there still playing with the navi.exe file. I have downloaded around 10 different apps, trying to walk step by step through the file, but without luck. I can change all the text in the file, but can't figure out what part is pointing to the nag screen text. When I open the file in a hex editor, the nag text is near the bottom, so I assume that is just where the data is and some other part of the program is pointing to the data. I downloaded the IDA pro demo, but the demo program won't open the navi.exe file. I downloaded a Win CE emulator from microsoft, but it won't run the navi.exe file. Anybody recommend any other programs?

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Here is a tip for dealing with the "squishedness" of the final image.

In photoshop, go to
Image > Pixel Aspect Ratio > D1/DV NTSC (0.9)
Make your image, and then just put it back to square when you're done making it. Everything will come out the right size on the navi
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^^ Continued...

When exporting, flatten your image, go to Imag > Mode > Indexed Color.
Type in 256 in that box, and play with the rest of the settings.

I find Local(Adaptive) and Dither = Diffusion

Then just save as an 8bit bmp
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Originally Posted by datmrman
Hi all! I am new to the forums and I have been reading about this for a while now in the TSX forum. There are plenty of pages about it! One thread had like 40+ pages!

At any rate, to help out newbies like myself, here is a summary of what I found. Mods and senior posters, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I recently bought an 06 TL and tried this out on it. It works!

The original program was created by a very talented guy that goes by the name of Bysin. He has gotten into legal trouble since then and basically development has stopped.

Please see the thread located here for the navi images that you can use. Post all navi images in this thread.


Requirements:
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  • 3rd gen TL, or Newest gen TSX, or Newest gen Accord
  • DVD-ROM/DVD Burner drive to copy files from original Navigation DVD
  • CD/DVD Burner with software to burn new disks
  • Some computer knowledge with command prompt. If not, take a quick tutorial here
  • Perseverance to try try try again
How to get hold of the program:
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The programs (command and graphical versions) are currently available through here: http://philipedge.com/Acura_TL


Instructions on how to use the program:
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They are also provided in the zip files that you download, but I will go into some additional details. I like using the command line version.


ONE TIME SETUP: OBTAINING THE REQUIRED FILES
1. Put the keys in the car and turn it so the NAV turns on (dont need to start the engine). At the main screen of the navigation system (the disclaimer works), hold down the Map/Guide, Menu, and Cancel buttons for 5 seconds.

2. Hit the "Version" button on the touch screen.

3. Hold down the Menu button for 5 seconds.

4. Write down the filename next to the words "Loading
Filename" (mine is BNHH401A.BIN).

5. Leaving the keys in, open your trunk and find the DVD player attached to the navigation system.

6. Push down the front plate and eject the Navigation DVD-ROM. (You can now take the keys out of the car)

7. Place the DVD in your computer and copy all 9 BIN files onto your hard drive (should be around 104 MB), this includes:
BN2HH12C.BIN
BN2HH110.BIN
BN2HH120.BIN
BN2HHMLD.BIN
BN2HN12B.BIN
BN2HN18B.BIN
BN2HN380.BIN
BNHH401A.BIN
BNHN404A.BIN
UPDATING THE SPLASH SCREEN (VIA COMMAND PROMPT)
The new pictures needs to be (to prevent lag):
  • BMP format with no more than 256 colors
  • named: "Back.bmp"
  • dimensions: 480x234x256 BMP (max)
  • size: 110 KB (113,068 bytes) (max)
  • size on disk: 112 KB (114,688 bytes) (max)
8. Create or obtain a new splash screen that meets the requirements. Name this file "Back.bmp" and place it within the same folder as the 9 BIN files. Also place the dumpnavi program in this same folder.

9. Open Windows Command Prompt ( Start > Run > "cmd" (Enter) )

10. Change the location to the folder containing the BIN files, new Back.bmp, and dumpnavi program.

Example: I copied all files to "Z:\TLNaviFiles" on my computer.
Start > Run > Type "cmd" (enter)
Change to correct drive, for me I type "Z:" (enter).
Change to correct folder via cd command, for me I type "cd TLNaviFiles" (enter)

11. Use the dumpnavi tool to update the splash screen to the BIN file.
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update Back.bmp
12. If dumpnavi doesn't complain, then you are set! Burn the 9 BIN files to a blank CD, CDRW, or DVD.


UPDATING THE TL NAVIGATION WITH MODIFIED DISK
13. Insert the origional navigation DVD back into the DVD-ROM in your car.

14. Start the car normally (or put the key in and turn it so NAV turns on), and at the main navigation screen hold Map/Guide, Menu, and Cancel for 5 seconds once again.

15. Hit the "Version" button on the touch screen once again.

**** This is where it gets tricky for me *****

16. Take the origional navigation DVD out of the car, and replace it with the CD/DVD you just created. Leave the front plate of the DVD player open. Run back inside your car!

17. Hit the "Load Disc" button on the Version screen. Run back to the trunk and close the front plate of the DVD player!

18. It should take about 20 seconds for your car to load the new BIN and reboot. You shoudl see your new Once that happens, take out your burned CD/DVD and put back the origional navigation DVD.

19. If anything goes wrong, remove the ground to the battery for 30 seconds with the origional DVD in the car. The old OS will load back on the system.


FOR ADVANCED USERS ONLY
Other files on the Navigation DVD may be modified. The following steps outline how to extract the files from the original DVD.
1. Use the dumpnavi tool to extract the files on the BIN file that was on your car
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN extract
2. The files will extract to the directory associated with the name of the file. The splash screen is called "Back.bmp". Other files may be modified as well with decompiler/HEX editor. No further instructions are provided. Do this at your own risk.

3. After modifying the files, use the dumpnavi tool to update them to the BIN, ex:
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update Back.bmp
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update navi.exe navi-nonag.exe
dumpnavi BNHH401A.BIN update Diag.exe
NOTES FROM MYSELF AND OTHERS
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  • I've found it easier to do the disk swapping phase with 2 people. One sitting in the car, the other swapping disks in the trunk.
  • If using Photoshop, one way to meet the pictures specs is to convert the picture from RGB to Indexed (Image > Mode > Indexed Color). Once inside the indexed color dialog box, chose Local (Perceptual) from the Palette drop down menu. Then input 173 in the Colors field. This will alter your colors in your image because you are limiting the palette, so you might have to make some sacrifices or changes to the image. Then save as bitmap, 8 bit. Another way is to crop the image on the sides a bit (I haven't tried that yet).
  • DO NOT use Bitmap compression (RLE)
  • The BMP gets stretched vertically about 30% from the BMP to the screen.
    So just compress the image vertically by 30% and it should look normal when it's on screen. (I haven't played with this yet).
  • A CD, CDRW, or DVD may be used. So far, TDK CDRWs and CDRs work fine for me.
  • Burn the disk with Nero or similar program in ISO mode. I dont know if that makes a difference, but its working in this mode.
The intention of this thread is to keep it clean with mainly howto's and suggestions.

When posting questions, please be specific as to where you are having problems. Help us, help you. Please read the instructions carefully. Most of the time the answer is right there.

If dumpnavi gives you errors, I can't really help you there (others may still). The development has stopped for this program.

Good luck! I will post any additions and changes if needed. Mods and other members, please email or PM me for changes so that we make keep this thread clean. Thanks all! I'm glad to be here!
Is there a way to accomplish this with a Macintosh? I am computer savvy, but only have a MacBook Pro running Mac OS X 10.4.6. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by FAST4DR
Anybody else out there still playing with the navi.exe file. I have downloaded around 10 different apps, trying to walk step by step through the file, but without luck. I can change all the text in the file, but can't figure out what part is pointing to the nag screen text. When I open the file in a hex editor, the nag text is near the bottom, so I assume that is just where the data is and some other part of the program is pointing to the data. I downloaded the IDA pro demo, but the demo program won't open the navi.exe file. I downloaded a Win CE emulator from microsoft, but it won't run the navi.exe file. Anybody recommend any other programs?
You need IDA Pro Advanced. Only this version can disassemble SH-4.

You can also read my thread https://acurazine.com/forums/audio-video-electronics-navigation-22/hacking-navi-continue-288313/
It is not so simple to remove that nag screen. If you are not an expert then don't even try it.
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Originally Posted by ak217
You need IDA Pro Advanced. Only this version can disassemble SH-4.

You can also read my thread https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288313
It is not so simple to remove that nag screen. If you are not an expert then don't even try it.
I thought I might need the pro version. Yeah your right, I have no idea what I'm doing, but it doesn't stop me from removing parts and seeing what happens. Might just get lucky, who knows?
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Originally Posted by FAST4DR
I thought I might need the pro version. Yeah your right, I have no idea what I'm doing, but it doesn't stop me from removing parts and seeing what happens. Might just get lucky, who knows?

You don't need the pro version.

I used Freeware xvi32, you can download it here:

http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delph...vi32/xvi32.htm

It works fine, I've changed quite a few text entries in my Nav. What I've yet to experiment with is the voice text. All the text that the Navi states to you is "read" out of the executable. Sure would be funny to change that up a bit.

"Yo, turn around bitch, ya done f'd up now!"...
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
You don't need the pro version.

I used Freeware xvi32, you can download it here:

http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delph...vi32/xvi32.htm

It works fine, I've changed quite a few text entries in my Nav.
Hexeditor? For reverse engineering?
Theoretically it is possible. I remember how I read/changed binary code using console on old computers that wouldn't fit in your house.
I think you don't understand the difference between disassembler and hexeditor. And you don't imagine the size of these modules. In this case the size does matter .
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Originally Posted by FAST4DR
I thought I might need the pro version. Yeah your right, I have no idea what I'm doing, but it doesn't stop me from removing parts and seeing what happens. Might just get lucky, who knows?
Maybe you are a lucky man. But if I would so lucky I would go to Vegas. It would be much more productive
I know what I am doing. I am an expert. And I know that it is not easy even if you know what are you doing.
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Originally Posted by ak217
Hexeditor? For reverse engineering?
Theoretically it is possible. I remember how I read/changed binary code using console on old computers that wouldn't fit in your house.
I think you don't understand the difference between disassembler and hexeditor. And you don't imagine the size of these modules. In this case the size does matter .

No no... I understand the difference. Just didn't know where you trying to go. It's crude, but it works for replacing text easily.

xvi32 has a text to hex converter so you can see the individual text in the file. You just search out the text you want to replace, replace the text and save your changes... but as you know, be careful.
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I have a hex editor and it is easy to change text, the problem is figuring out what part of the program is retrieving the text. What we need is a program that simulates the processor and runs the navi.exe file while showing you what line of code is running.

Is it possible to hook up a scope to some part of the motherboard and see what is happening live?

Once again, I have no clue what I'm doing and just pulling this stuff out of my

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P.S. Probably will be easier to pull the head unit out and wire up a KP technologies switch to press the button after a preset delay, mod the text with a hex editor and call it a day!
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Originally Posted by FAST4DR
I have a hex editor and it is easy to change text, the problem is figuring out what part of the program is retrieving the text. What we need is a program that simulates the processor and runs the navi.exe file while showing you what line of code is running.
Have you read my thread? Looks like you have not.
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Man, I just got done reading 8 pages here and we REALLY need to clean this up some.

I have yet to do this and want too. We need someone to BREAK down everything into steps and pictures so we can easily do this without reading through 8 pages of information (lots of it wrong and some right) and try to sort through it all to figure out how to make it work right.

Right now I really don't want to attempt this because the information in this topic is very VAGUE.

Someone who has done this please make a detailed post or site on how to do this properly where all the information is on one screen and not 8 pages.
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Red face I agree to dissagree

This is my first post I have changed my Back.bmp file to a new photo and understand how to modify the nag screen (I wish we could just replace it with our Back.bmp pics) I used to be on 18t.com when i owned a passat and since i got my TL I have been a member of Acurazine, i have not done much to the TL because i love the "stock" look. I have put 35% tint on and a hitch for my bike rack (I know what your thinking "This guy put that hitch on his baby" LOL.) but i feel that I dont care, I need the exercise, im a fat ass! kick A_S forum get this thread to about a page and a half and people if you do mods dont be shy with the pictures thats what made 18t. so usefull was the step by step tutorials and pictures that inspire even boering bankers like myself to become automotive entusiasts.... on the weekend of course
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
Man, I just got done reading 8 pages here and we REALLY need to clean this up some.

I have yet to do this and want too. We need someone to BREAK down everything into steps and pictures so we can easily do this without reading through 8 pages of information (lots of it wrong and some right) and try to sort through it all to figure out how to make it work right.

Right now I really don't want to attempt this because the information in this topic is very VAGUE.

Someone who has done this please make a detailed post or site on how to do this properly where all the information is on one screen and not 8 pages.
pimpin-tl,
The first post of this thread clearly describes how to change your background image and eliminate the nag next with the dumpnavi tool. That's as spelled out as it gets.

The next 7 pages are enhancements that some really sharp folks have figured. To summarize, instead of eliminating the nag screen, some have modified the text to read a custom saying or slogan. Using the dumpnavi tool, you can also modify the "beep" the navi makes by replacing it with a different sound.'
There is also some advice on making your Nav screen image load faster by reducing the size,

That's it.

All otherr discussion beyond those mods above, is folks trying to reverse engineer TSX Nav features into the TL nav software. It won't work, or, it will work, but it will break other stuff, since the tSX doesn't have all the same features as the TL.

Good luck, and keep reading. It's the only way to figure this stuff out.
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some quick info.

yo ak,
there def. isn't enough time in the day. I don't have time to be messing with nop'ing out the nag screen calls(right now :-) ), but I noticed you are working on a sh-4 emulation enviroment. Ever heard of Qemu? Its a opensource vm. The cvs builds are starting to support sh-4 <--> x86 emulation. It may be worth your while to shoot the qemu folks a email, or at least check out the source. g'luck
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html

-peace
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