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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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DVD-A (mac help)

So I'm trying to burn my first DVD-A but I'm having a little trouble towards the end. I've already downloaded "Rimz" PDF which was VERY helpful, including DVD-Audiofile and Switch. Now....I convert all my files to ".flac" in Switch and open DVD-Audiofile. This is the point where I get lost and I'm not sure what to do. I add all the files in DVD-Audiofile but it says something about bit depth/sampling rate (can't quite remember now) and how they need to all be the same. It doesn't add them into DVD-Audiofile but when I try it again and click the ".ds_store" at the top it loads them all into DVD-Audiofile. At this point your supposed to create an Iso-image and a window pops up. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to select here....do I create an empty folder, do I select the folder that has all the .flac files in it? What do I do here? Then I open Disk Utility and have to burn the Iso-image. I'm sure I can figure this out but it's mainly just the steps before that I'm having trouble with. If anyone with a Mac that has done this can help me out that'd be great!! Thanks!
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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I use switch and DVDAudiophile too, but I convert them to wav. Then I make the .iso and burn.

Try the wav file type instead of the flac.

Of course, I am sourcing from mp3, so wav is good enough for me for quality... no need to do flac.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Well Rimz told me he's had the most success with flac but I'll get wav a try too.

Jda, what exactly do you do after you hit the "create iso" button in DVD-Audiofile?? Also, does..or should it, take like a split second for it to make that iso image? I just need a specific walkthrough...not the best with computers lol
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 09:19 PM
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Yes, it just takes a second to create it... maybe 5 at the most if I use most of the groups.

I find my songs and use switch to put them into X seperate folders of wavs. I use each folder in a group in DVD Audiophile, then hit create .iso. Then disk util to burn.

I think that you got it, just try the wav.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 09:30 PM
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2 questions:

1. When you create the iso in DVD-Audiofile, what do you choose when the window pops up?

2. When you open Disk Utility and click burn, what do select when that window pops up??

If I know these 2 I should be good lol. I might add that it flashes "format" when I put the DVD in my car...then it ejects. Thanks for the help jda!
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 09:58 PM
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1). when I click on "Create .ISO", the only thing that I choose is where to store the ISO. I choose the desktop. I see no other choices when I do it.

2). I am not sure of what I choose with disk utility. Sorry. You can also control-click on the .ISO and say to burn.
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Old Jan 17, 2011 | 08:04 PM
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Ok...I feel like an idiot but I just redid the whole thing using Switch to convert them to WAV and then put them into DVD-Audiofile (I had under 99 songs). I clicked create an iso and it took a few minutes but finally gave me an icon for the iso-image on the desktop. I inserted my DVD-R (Dynex brand...might be why lol). I then right-clicked the iso-image icon from the desktop and clicked burn to disc or whatever it says. It acted like it was and read "burning track 1". Then when that finished it said verifying and spit it out to me. I inserted it into my TL and I get the flashing "FORMAT", which is what I keep getting! AHHH...WTF haha
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Dunno about Macs, but I set my burn speed to 1X to eliminate the "FORMAT" issues with my DVD-RW disks.
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Originally Posted by dwb993
Dunno about Macs, but I set my burn speed to 1X to eliminate the "FORMAT" issues with my DVD-RW disks.

Yeah I tried it with my burn speed as low as possible (2x) and I'm still getting the "FORMAT" shit. I guess I'll wait until someone can basically walk me through it so I don't waste another DVD-R lol...I'm on 5!
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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 05:50 PM
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Use RWs and you won't have that problem. At the very least, test your ISOs on a single RW disk before you burn them to the others.
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Yeah I tried it with my burn speed as low as possible (2x) and I'm still getting the "FORMAT" shit. I guess I'll wait until someone can basically walk me through it so I don't waste another DVD-R lol...I'm on 5!
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Originally Posted by dwb993
Use RWs and you won't have that problem.
I've heard that the DVD-R works much better in our TL's? I'll have to look into the RW's if I can't get the R to work very shortly

At the very least, test your ISOs on a single RW disk before you burn them to the others.
Sorry, I don't know what this means. Ugh...I need to learn more about comps
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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 06:44 PM
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RW disks are Re-Writable.
Compile your ISO and burn it to the RW to test in the car. If it works correctly, you know you have a good ISO and can burn that to a DVD-R disk. Then, erase the RW disk and use the same process for your next compilation. Will save on bad disks and you only need one RW disk.
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 09:28 AM
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I will burn a fresh one tonight and type out the steps. I think that I use +R, but I will confirm.
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Old Jan 19, 2011 | 03:19 PM
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The "FORMAT" message displayed by the car means that it's not a proper DVD-Audio disc. I have a Marantz universal player (DV-9500, I believe) connected to my main stereo system at home and when I got the "FORMAT" message from the TL a few times, I took the discs inside and tried them on the Marantz and it said "NO DISC," which the instruction booklet says means the format is unrecognized.

I have no idea what might be causing the problem for you, but I found that every time I've had this problem, I had used Windows to burn the disc (I'm running Vista Home Premium at home). When I use Roxio, it turns out fine and I've never gotten this error message. (I use dbpoweramp or CDex to create the .WAV files, then Adobeman's software to create the DVD-A structure.) I have no idea whether there might be any similar sorts of issues on a Mac because I have never used one, but if the problem persists, you might try using different burning software as an experiment. Also, try using DVD-Rs instead of rewritable discs or +Rs. In the major threads on this forum, people have reported the most consistent results using DVD-R discs. Yeah, it stinks when you get a bad burn and wind up with a drink coaster, but it stinks more when all your discs get rejected by the car.

I also agree with the other folks who say to burn at the slowest possible speed. Also, turn off your screen saver and refrain from doing things like running your Web browser or anything else that might lead to virtual-memory swapping to and from your hard drive, which will slow your machine down; in my experience, I get more bad burns when the hard drive starts churning for some reason.
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Originally Posted by 1995hoo
The "FORMAT" message displayed by the car means that it's not a proper DVD-Audio disc. I have a Marantz universal player (DV-9500, I believe) connected to my main stereo system at home and when I got the "FORMAT" message from the TL a few times, I took the discs inside and tried them on the Marantz and it said "NO DISC," which the instruction booklet says means the format is unrecognized.

I have no idea what might be causing the problem for you, but I found that every time I've had this problem, I had used Windows to burn the disc (I'm running Vista Home Premium at home). When I use Roxio, it turns out fine and I've never gotten this error message. (I use dbpoweramp or CDex to create the .WAV files, then Adobeman's software to create the DVD-A structure.) I have no idea whether there might be any similar sorts of issues on a Mac because I have never used one, but if the problem persists, you might try using different burning software as an experiment. Also, try using DVD-Rs instead of rewritable discs or +Rs. In the major threads on this forum, people have reported the most consistent results using DVD-R discs. Yeah, it stinks when you get a bad burn and wind up with a drink coaster, but it stinks more when all your discs get rejected by the car.

I also agree with the other folks who say to burn at the slowest possible speed. Also, turn off your screen saver and refrain from doing things like running your Web browser or anything else that might lead to virtual-memory swapping to and from your hard drive, which will slow your machine down; in my experience, I get more bad burns when the hard drive starts churning for some reason.

There's a mac DVD-A thread that's about a year old on here and they found they had the least amount of problems when using Switch to create the WAV or FLAC and mac's Disk Utility to burn the Iso-image. By the way, I'm using DVD-R's right now...but I assume you meant try RW's instead of R's. I don't browse or do anything during the burning, and the computer doesn't go to sleep/hibernate/etc while its running. I also ran it at 16x and 2x and they both didn't work. I've tried different speeds, Wav and Flac, different methods, etc...DVD-A hates me
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Originally Posted by TL-Noob
There's a mac DVD-A thread that's about a year old on here and they found they had the least amount of problems when using Switch to create the WAV or FLAC and mac's Disk Utility to burn the Iso-image. By the way, I'm using DVD-R's right now...but I assume you meant try RW's instead of R's. I don't browse or do anything during the burning, and the computer doesn't go to sleep/hibernate/etc while its running. I also ran it at 16x and 2x and they both didn't work. I've tried different speeds, Wav and Flac, different methods, etc...DVD-A hates me
Sorry, I should have been clearer as to the text in boldface: My comment in that respect was more in regards to the comments from other folks in this thread who suggested trying -RWs. I was suggesting to use caution in doing that because a lot of the folks on this forum had found that -RWs, +Rs, and other formats other than DVD-R gave very inconsistent results when people tried to play them in their TLs. Of course, as long as you have something else on which you can play a DVD-RW disc, you're fine—the only thing you lose if the TL won't play the disc is the time it took you to burn that disc, right? So in that respect, I guess there's not much reason not to try it.
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I use TDK DVD+R for single layer and I have never had one fail. For dual layer, I have Verbatim DVD+R DL - I had the first one fail because I burned too fast and have not had one fail since.

I just control clicked on the .ISO and said burn and it worked for me.
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Hi,
I burn DVD-Audio disks all the time. ONE way to do it is use the OS X utility BURN (http://www.kiwifruitware.tk/). Start the program and drag your mp3's to it and it will convert them to wav and burn the DVD. Just make sure the selections at the top are AUDIO and the drop down says DVD-AUDIO. The only problem I have with it is that it can mess up the order of the songs. But you can rearrange the songs within the program to get that straight. I also use DVD-R for single layer and DVD+R for dual layer. I Let the Macbookpro burn at whatever speed it wants to. Never had a problem.
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Well classes got cancelled today so I'll be able to spend some time trying this. Thanks guys....& wish me luck lol
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Originally Posted by czoller
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I burn DVD-Audio disks all the time. ONE way to do it is use the OS X utility BURN (http://www.kiwifruitware.tk/). Start the program and drag your mp3's to it and it will convert them to wav and burn the DVD. Just make sure the selections at the top are AUDIO and the drop down says DVD-AUDIO. The only problem I have with it is that it can mess up the order of the songs. But you can rearrange the songs within the program to get that straight. I also use DVD-R for single layer and DVD+R for dual layer. I Let the Macbookpro burn at whatever speed it wants to. Never had a problem.
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Can you burn more then 99 tracks with a DL disk? or are you still limited?
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Can you burn more then 99 tracks with a DL disk? or are you still limited?
The 99 file limit is per group. You are allowed as many groups (up to 9, I think) as the program you use to burn DVDs allows. I think BURN allows 1 group. The program DVD-AUDIOFILE allows 9 groups. Personally, I usually wind up with a DVD containing about 60-70 songs.
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czoller is correct about the DVD-Audio specification. I have at least one DVD-A that I burned containing five groups and around 150 tracks—it contains the Beatles' first ten albums (including the White Album, which is a double). Group 1 contains the first 4 albums (55 tracks), Group 2 contains the next 3 (42 tracks), Group 3 contains Sgt. Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour (24 tracks), Group 4 contains the White Album (30 tracks), and Group 5 contains the lone song "Hey Jude" (that's all I had room for after the rest of the stuff).

So in theory you're constrained by three things: (1) The 99 tracks times 9 groups limitation; (2) What your software will allow you to do; (3) The disc's capacity (odds are you will never have a full 99 x 9 because you'll run out of space first).

To change between groups in your TL, hold down the SCAN and RPT buttons on the stereo until you hear a beep.
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Originally Posted by czoller
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I burn DVD-Audio disks all the time. ONE way to do it is use the OS X utility BURN (http://www.kiwifruitware.tk/). Start the program and drag your mp3's to it and it will convert them to wav and burn the DVD. Just make sure the selections at the top are AUDIO and the drop down says DVD-AUDIO. The only problem I have with it is that it can mess up the order of the songs. But you can rearrange the songs within the program to get that straight. I also use DVD-R for single layer and DVD+R for dual layer. I Let the Macbookpro burn at whatever speed it wants to. Never had a problem.
Later . . .

Czoller--Wow! Thank you soo much! This program "BURN" that's in your post above was 10x easier than downloading DVD-Audiofile, Switch, etc. This program converts your files to WAV and burn's the disk. Incredibly easy!


If anyone is up on the fence about doing this or does this but has multiple programs....I HIGHLY suggest this program
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Can you do multiple groups with Burn?
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YAAA I tried several programs in the past without success but didn't know about Burn. Took a random DVD +R none the less and just dragged the tracks in converted to WAV then Burned at 8X and worked perfect!
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 09:34 PM
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OP did you get it to work? I have tried 4 different burning programs, and made sure they are converted to wav, and 2 different brands of dvds, all fail!
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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I forgot to add, Every time I put the dvd's into the player it says "disc" and flashes. I assume that means my discs suck, and I just need to find the right brand?
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Yes he did read above he used Burn just like I did worked first time super easy
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Sorry guys, didn't see this thread get bumped....


Yeah I got it to work using Burn, which is VERY simple and does 99% of the work for you. You only need that one program to convert to wav and burn. I haven't figured out if you can do multiple groups yet so I can't comment on that.


CaliChris- Download the program that's in czoller's post (#20 on this page) and it will work for you. You can either drag and drop into Burn or "add files/folders". When you add it converts them to WAV format and when your done adding all you want you just hit burn. It's that simple! Good luck
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Big Thanks to Czoller for showing this program

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Sorry guys, didn't see this thread get bumped....


Yeah I got it to work using Burn, which is VERY simple and does 99% of the work for you. You only need that one program to convert to wav and burn. I haven't figured out if you can do multiple groups yet so I can't comment on that.


CaliChris- Download the program that's in czoller's post (#20 on this page) and it will work for you. You can either drag and drop into Burn or "add files/folders". When you add it converts them to WAV format and when your done adding all you want you just hit burn. It's that simple! Good luck
Sorry for my quick post, I should have ben more informative. I have downloaded burn, but the dvd's still wont play. I am assuming at this point it is the brand of dvd. I have tried some office depot dvd+r's and some maxell dvd+RWs. Both times, after burning with Burn, the tl's player displays DISC (flashing).

Can you guys tell me what specific brand and kind of dvds you are using? Hopefully the next batch I buy will work.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 02:53 PM
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Try DVD-R or -RW. I'd try -R first. Most seem to have better luck with -R instead of +R for some reason

I had some Dynex DVD-R's laying around my parent's house so I used those. I'm sure most will work. I'm sure most will be fine...

Try it again with DVD-R and let us know. If it doesn't work then I'll make a write up/steps so that you're on the same page
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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Thanks. Im almost positive the burning portion isnt a problem. Either with burning an iso or using burn. Ill let you know once I have some dvd-r's.
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 03:50 PM
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Yup, try it with a DVD-R and it'll probably work. I mean it does most the work for you so it shouldn't be a problem. If so....I accept paypal

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I always use -R for DVD (single) and +R for DVD (dual layer), any brand. For more information, here is a link (http://netforbeginners.about.com/cs/...xplained_2.htm)
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I used Memorex DVD +R Single layer with no problems worked first try
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Well if our TL's take -R and +R & calichris can't get it resolved then I'll do a write up...hopefully I don't have to
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I'm going to try out "Burn." I've tried the other methods as well. If this doesn't work, I'm going to deem my player fucked and call in and have my insurance replace it.
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