giant_tcr

Has anyone put Laser Veil on their car? I'm just curious what it looks like on the TL and how much of an effect it has on light output from the headlights.

joed40

I am not familiar with the Veil. Read more about this one.
http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=8502

giant_tcr

Laser Veil is an anti-IR coating you paint on to your headlights and other reflective surfaces (like license plates) so it disrupts LIDAR (which is near IR) from getting a reading. The only downside is that it darkens, almost like a tint or smoked look. Some people like that look, personally I don't.

It's completely passive and not very expensive, and gives a few seconds for you to react when your detector goes off. They have some demo videos on their site www.laserveil.com.

Was just wondering if anyone had put it on their TL and how it looked.

joed40

Since laser is an instant gotcha. A few seconds is not worth anything. If your slowing down your car that quickly in the middle of traffic you're sure to cause other problems.
Plus if you really want to get to the reality, I'm doubting this stuff works at all.

The Veil Guy

...The Reality of your doubt? Or Reality.

In reality, Veil does provide practical and useful protection and has demonstrated so repeatedly.

Here's a resource:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewforum.php?f=12

The reality is that they're not all liars or ignorant...

The Veil Guy

streese

They tested this crap on MythBusters. It did exactly nothing. Myth BUSTED! Save the money you waste on this to pay for traffic school. You'll get more out of it.


That's how I roll........
Jack Black, Anchorman - The Legend of Ron Burgundy

The Veil Guy

Actually, they did not.

Get your "facts" straight.

streese

Actually, they did. They were just kind enough not to mention the name. Just face reality, you are making money on gullible people. If it really worked, it would be illegal. It is interfering with law enforcement.

Get YOUR facts straight.

kennyc

I saw that episode of mythbusters and they did not test any kind of laser-shifting or anti-laser device.

If you believe all laser countermeasures are snake oil so be it. It's actually better for people who believe in them since if not a lot of people use them, LE will not catch on as quick.

With that said, I don't use laserveil. But I heard they work well with active countermeasures by blinder, escort, and lidatek.

The drawback is that you need to re-apply and they are not cheap.

J.Edward

Here's a before/after picture I found. It's not a TL but does give you an idea of how the product will affect the headlights/foglights.

brianp6621

You realize that is just a photoshop to give you an idea of how it might look and isn't actually a before/after picture.

It may be close enough to reality but I just wanted to point that out.

joed40

I stand corrected

Found some more results after google search.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=45

Still won't help with instant on and a short distance. Seems to worth it if you can't put the $$ for a reputable jammer.

HiTEC

If I were to spend the money I was get teh Lidatek LE-30. I've read really good things about, and a lot of the Audi and BMW sites run group buys on it. I still rarely encouter laser, and my non-tunnel-vision method has worked for me so far. I always scan way down the road with my eyes looking for the other idiots jamming on their brakes when their about even with the cop car (because they drive with tunnel-vision). Like I said it's worked for me so far, but would not on an empty road. I usually don't speed much when I'm the only person on the road anyways (in fear of instant-on radar).

If you have a lot of laser in your area I think I jammer investment would be worth it, I'm just ready to spend the cash on one yet.

jaymd123

I just got a 55 in a 25. I know it sounds terrible but its a completely empty road and 4 lanes wide. The Fairfax County cop had his car behind the trees and he was behind a bush. I didn't even see him until he walked out into the road and I almost didn't have time to stop! Pretty daring cop. He showed me the LIDAR gun, 55 @ 428ft away. I did the math, at that speed traveling 80 ft/sec, with 120 ft 60-0 braking, I had exactly 3.8 seconds to react. Figure it probably takes about a second to move your foot from gas to brake so 2.8 seconds. The whole time my Radar/Laser detector didn't make a sound. Looks like I'll be investing in "something".

pttl

Your detector didn't make a sound? What type of detector do you have? Is Lidar like radar/laser. I live in NJ, and Laser is what the State Troopers use.

jaymd123

It's commonly referred to as "Laser" but the true technology is LIDAR. They are one in the same. The reason my Radar/Laser detector didn't go off is that the LIDAR beam is so focused (only a few feet in width). That being said, its very hard for a detector mounted in the windshield to pick that up when the cops are aiming at your license plate. If your detector does happen to pick it up, its probably a refraction from another car or the cop has bad aim

The Veil Guy

Its been my experience that the laser detectors to use are:

Valentine 1 (in a class of its own when it comes to laser)
Escort 8500 X50 (very good laser sensitivity)
RX65 Pro, STI Driver (good to very good laser sensitivity)

We conducted a most thorough examination of performance variances of the top selling radar/laser detectors against all current Generation III police laser (LIDAR) guns currently being deployed in the US.

Laser Detectors comparisons.

You may find it useful.

428 feet is pretty close. of course, that's the distance when the officer actually got a lock on you. he or she may have likely been targeting you from a greater distance. my guess is if you had been running with a V1 and an X50 you would have been alerted to the laser.

with the exception of the V1, we have found that mounting your detector low center and slightly pitched forward maximizes that chance of picking up laser up close.

some additional resources that you may find helpful:

Guide to Police Laser.
Guide to Laser Jammers.
Police Laser Videos with Countermeasures.

The videos link will give you a good sense of what the officer sees when he/she targets your vehicle from a distance, plus it provides a view of how laser countermeasures, including Veil and jammers can signficantly cut down on the range.

About all of these videos were produced by members of the radardetector.net forum.

Hope this stuff helps.

The Veil Guy

JPTL-S

Damn you live in VA and are using a radar detector? Luckily you weren't caught because that would have been an additional fine.

The Veil Guy

A Beltronics STi Driver may be just what the doctor ordered!

The Veil Guy

HiTEC

I suggest a top of the line Bel, Escort 8500, or a V1. Everytime I encounter laser/lidar on the road my V1 always alerts me (not saying I have time to react). I fairly certain I've been alerted when the car in front of my or several cars in front of me were the target he was aiming it. I'd go with one of the three detectors I mentioned above (anything else is a worthless buzz box).

TLXLR8S

i have a V1 and hit on the brakes as soon as the laser sound went off(didnt even look at the screen). i was doing 84mph when it went off and got a ticket for doing 83mph. so unless he hits the guy directly in front of you and your lucky, your toast.

iam looking at the Blinder M-20 Xtreme ($349). it comes with 2 transceivers.

here are the reviews.

laser jammers

Raheel

Is ZR3 worth spending money on?