djmanu

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So im thinking of changing up my sub setup. I have an alpine M1000 Mono amp that gives 600w for 4ohm x1. As of now i have 2x Alpine 10" Type R subs in a dual vented box. The sound is clean as anything but the weight of box isnt too favorable. I dont really bump my subs a lot but like to add a good amount without overkilling the music. So I was considering changing to a single 10" Alpine Type X sub using the same amp and either getting a single vented box or a custom enclosure. I really want to keep that clean sound but do not know if the single type X will deliver that. I looked into the JL subs but money is a factor and the alpines work out for me if i choose that route. Below are the links to what i have. thanks in advance for the opinions.

Amp:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/vi...-m1000/default

Current Subs (2x):
http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/swr-1043d/

Thinking about (1x):
http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/swx-1043d

Flipster23

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The type X isnt much cheaper than a JL, you can find really good deals on a W6 or W7

Plus Type X RMS is 1000

and you have the new type R which is pushing 600

I would just get the Type R, but thats just me.

Derk's K24

I have a Type R in a vented box that provided very clear and crisp bass. Wasnt a earth shaker outside the car but inside the car was very satisfying. I also had my amp conservatively tuned. I haven't put it in the Type S yet but would expect the same result. I haven't personally heard anybody's with the Type X but I wouldn't expect it to be a slouch but I can only comment on my personal experience with the Type R.

eggyhustles

I fail to see your point? Type x is more efficient than the w6 and the w7.

OP, get a sundown sa-12

Flipster23

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Rodney has the Type X he has 2..

Eggyhustle and forthmeal and mattastick (hope im spelling your names right) are very knowledgeable they should be able to help

Flipster23

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I was just stating my opinion I like my JL's that I had.. I never had the type X so I guess I shouldnt be talking then..

Flipster23

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I was telling him that the Type X isnt that much cheaper thats my point I guess

Trunk Monkey

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What's your budget? From what I can tell your looking to have a clean sound but a bit more low end. You could do 2 10's or 1 12" in a well-built custom box tuned around 30-35hz. Once we get your budget for a new sub(s) we can help ya!!


Right on...SA-12 is nasty! I've given some hard thought to doing a dual SA-8 setup. Hopefully he'll post up with the budget but if I had to guess I would start recommending Sundown SA-12, Audioque SDC or HDC, IDQ or IDMax (if you catch a lucky find), SSA, FI Q (SQ monster!), etc


What's your opinion on the JL W3v3? Have you heard those and the Kicker CVR's? See my thread if you have...

Comptechtl2367

I have a Type-R, Its the best sub i have ever owned, provides very nice crisp base. I made my own ported box. I only have it powered with a MTX 300watt amp and its more then enough bass.

AcUrAfIeNd32

ok so i might seem like a total idiot for asking but what are the sa-12 and sundown and all those?

eggyhustles

Just messing with ya bro

he won't go wrong with either..

Steve5.9

I also have a single 10" Type R. It is awesome and provides quick, clean bass for my taste of music (metalcore, rock, punk, etc). I highly suggest getting just a single ported box and selling the other type r and the box. Good luck!

Trunk Monkey

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Nah...not everyone knows about ID brands for car audio. No worries. Sundown Audio is an internet based brand and one of their subs is called the SA-12. When you get deep into car audio you first learn that 99% of stuff in stores are crap..well maybe not crap but you get what I'm saying. You can find MUCH better products for cheaper. Not only are these types of brands better quality and cheaper, they make products to suit your specific needs like enclosure size, specific subs for sq(sound quality)/spl/sql (mix of both), etc. These companies owners, at least some of the smaller ones, usually frequent the car audio boards like DIYMobile, CarAudioForum, etc. Here are a few examples of ID companies, some make just subs/amps while others will have most everything:

Digital Designs (I LOVED! my 2 3510d subs)
Image Dynamics
SSA
FI
Audioque
Sundown
Hybrid Audio
TC Sounds
Mmats
RE
...and the list goes on. If you like your music and want the best quality setups, these ID brands is where you'll get it.

djmanu

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thanks for all the input everyone. my budget is around 200 or so, so please recommend anything that could fit this. There are a number of brand new type X 10" subs on ebay that are going for 215 shipped. a square trade 3 yr warranty would be 30 so its not bad at all.

I just dont want to loose the crisp sound that my dual 10" type r system gives right now. i actually really would love a JL w6 but it does not fit into my budget. My main reason to change the system is the weight, so a single 10" system would probably fit best for me.

eggyhustles

Sundown sa-12 dude.

djmanu

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how does the sundown sa10 or sa 12 compare to the jl w6 or alpine type x?

keep in mind i will be powering the sub with the alpine m1000 mono amp

eggyhustles

It'll get louder than both..probably wouldn't sound better than the w6 since the w6 is an sq sub.

They're really apples and oranges. But, since you think the r's sound clean..the sa's would blow you away.

eggyhustles

here's a review
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...12-review.html

Trunk Monkey

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Trust us! Go to woofersetc.com and pick up the Sundown SA-12 DVC 4ohm. Build/buy a box 1.75-2 cu.ft. tuned to 33hz. Wire your amp in parallel (2ohm load) and bask in the music. You'll love them. It's a monster spl sub but still retains sq when in a proper box. Like my man ehhh said, if the R's please ya....you're in for a treat!


Eggy- just realized you've got an xcon. How you like SSA? never heard one but I hear they're great subs

crzygosu87

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I have a JL 10w3v3 mated to a 500wrms amp. I love it ... plenty of clean bass for me even only at 250-300w

eggyhustles

Loved them. Got low, got low, remained accurate..one of the best subs i've used. I got a aa smd now

Trunk Monkey

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Well I've got that trade lined up for today (my 2 10" Kicker Comp VR's for his 2 10" JL w3v3's)...seems like a good trade on my end! I'm going to build a box around 2.5 cu.ft tuned to 33hz and those little guys should sound pretty good!! Not a huge fan of mainstream brands but I can't knock JL until I've tried a few.

Sure Kickers get loud but I've heard the L7's, L5's, Comp VR's, etc and they all are very muddy. I wish you all could have heard my DD setup!....2-10" 3510d on a modded Power Acoustik a3000db in a 3cu.ft box tuned to 33hz....in a reg. cab truck!! It was sooo loud inside and felt like a boxer was punching you in the back. I want that back


There's a bunch of subs I've wanted to try but being in college I just don't have the time or money for that adventure haha. Got any pics of your setup?



Edit: Has anyone ever tried "Peel n Seal" from Home Depot/Lowes?? I've heard its just as good as dynomat but 1/3 the cost. Maybe I'll make a new thread lol

AcUrAfIeNd32

@ TL Noob im pretty much looking for a sub that is better so thats good to know now its just a matter of me ordering them and knowing someone who can do them for me cuz currently im not too knowledgable as yet

eggyhustles

I never took any. I live in NY where cars get stolen often and didn't want pics of my setup roaming around the net.

Trunk Monkey

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Haha yeah probably a good idea in the Bronx

djmanu

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okay so the sundown audio stuff deff looks great, i think i would choose this over the type x. my decision now goes into the setup and box:

1) Single 10" vented box
2) single 12" vented box
3) Custom 10" enclosure that goes into the side (for space saving reasons)

eggyhustles

Those sundowns won't shine in those small pocket enclosures. I'd go for the single 10" in 1.4 cubes ported

djmanu

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true. 2 or 4 ohm sa12 with my alpine m1000 amp?

eggyhustles

Dual 2

It'll be wired to 4 ohms where the alpine does 600

Trunk Monkey

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Dual 4ohm...run that m1000 at 2ohms and get your power!! The SA-12 loves power...600 is nothin. They're underrated just like most SPL oriented ID subs. MUCH better to have more on the sub that under powering and clipping it.

eggyhustles

600w is it's rated power

the extra 400 won't be noticeable. 1.5db..if that..

Trunk Monkey

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It does 600 (realistically around 500) @ 4ohms and 1000 (around 900) @ 2ohms. The extra 400ish would be a 66% increase in power. It's not just about the increase in db's...its the fact that its much better to have an amp that is over what you need than under. Don't believe then look it up! Promise. That sub will take more than 1000 easy...no worries. Put it on 2ohms, set your gains properly and don't worry about stressing the amp out for power when you've already got it.

eggyhustles

It'll still do it's thing on 500. Remember that you need double the power for a 3db increase. 3db itself isn't really noticeable in the realm of things, so that extra 400 won't be doing much, if anything at all. Also, the amp will run cooler and be a lot less noisy running at 4 than 2...he'll also help out his electrical a lil more

djmanu

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well just as an update...i was ready to buy the sundown sa12 but i ran into an amazing deal for a JL 12w7. will let you know if i go through with it and how it compares to my old 2 10" type r's

Trunk Monkey

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Those 2 10's will/should be louder with the w7, more than likely sounding cleaner....Although it is VERY dependent on the boxes being used and power. Build/Buy a box at 1.75-2 cu.ft. tuned around 35hz and she'll sound good. What kinda deal is it?

djmanu

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250 for a 12w7. i actually have another offer as well, 2 10w6's. so now its the decision of which to get: a single 12" w7 or 2 10" w6. If i get the w7, i will be within budget, but if i go for the w6's then i might go a little over my budget but not too bad. All input on this would be helpful.

Box wise, if i get the w7 then i think il go for a sealed box for a crisper sound. if i go with the w6's i will use the dual 10" ported box i have currently. I was changing my setup mainly for weight but the more i look into this, the more i want to keep a dual setup. oh how i wish these subs and boxes were lighter

Trunk Monkey

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What are the dimensions of your box right now? I just built a decent sized box for my 2 10" JLw3v3's and its not too heavy. Don't have much trunk room though.

W6 has been said to play louder than the W7...and especially when you have more cone area like 2 10's compared to 1 12".

djmanu

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i dont know the dimensions of my current box, il check tomorrow. as for the subs, im just so confused on which setup to get. i want something that is a bit more responsive (both w7 and w6 are over the type r), not really louder than my current setup but about the same, but still give nice crisp quality and sound. i know both the w7 and w6 would satisfy all those things but it now comes to a matter of which do i want to do.

i looked at jl's website and both setups work fine with my alpine m1000 amp. the w7 is pretty much a perfect match in terms of wattage and the w6's are pretty damn close. i honestly dont think i can go wrong either way so thats why i want to hear your guys input.

Important Factors:
1) weight
2) sound quality

jda123

The peel and seal will deaden sound. It is asphalt based. Like anything asphalt, it will harden over time. It can also melt under high temperatures. I have never used it, but some complain that it smells like tar when newly installed or when it gets hot.

Trunk Monkey

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I've got a question first...

1. What impedance are the W6's and that W7??

2. What's the price on both of those?


In all honesty, the weight won't change much at all unless you went with the single 12w7 setup, but even then you'd need a decent sized box for that sub. Depending on 1.price and 2. impedance, the w6 setup might be kinda pointless as you'll have the same size subs, etc. Never heard a w6 but I'm sure it's a tad nicer than the type-r.

I need your box dimensions to see if your box is huge and you can easily build/buy another that will fit yours and the subs needs, or if your box is small and you probably need to go with a single 12" for your weight factor. Like I've said, it's going to all depend on price, impedance, and your current box size.



Well that's a little scary b/c I'm down here in Oklahoma and it can get HOT in the summer time. Maybe I'll do more research on other products. Thanks